Arrg…forgot to add at least for yesterday…Somewhere BLAM mentioned Wednesdays are bad for him (Last week I think) but nevertheless…I’m still waiting on him. Pollux, I want to read your assessment of him and hal and see what I have to say on it around lunch today.
Day 6 vote count (as of Post 1301)
3 - Hal Briston -Koldanar, Nanook, Santo Rugger
2 - Blaster Master - Hal Briston, Pollux Oil
1 - Pretful Porpentine - Fretful Porpentine
No current vote: Blaster Master
That’s…an interesting vote. Heh.
Well it’s happened before!
Day 6 vote count (as of Post 1303)
Hal Briston -Koldanar, Nanook, Santo Rugger,
Blaster Master - Hal Briston, Pollux Oil
Pollux Oil - Fretful Porpentine,
No current vote: Blaster Master
Well I’m torn. Blaster STILL hasn’t shown up yet, with only a few hours to go. Pollux put forth a good case against him but the way I feel about things now, either him or Hal have a good chance of being wolves. What to do!
OK, I don’t want to cast another throwaway vote and I think BlaM is more likely to be scum than Hal, so I may as well bet that way.
Unvote Pollux Oil
Vote Blaster Master
I like to have odd ball official clock warning times. 2 hours and 9 minutes until the end of the Day.
I am around Diver, but I am going into a meeting for the next hour or so. I should be back by then, but in case it runs long feel free to end things without me.
REMEMBER! THE DAY ENDS ON TIME EVEN IF NO ONE IS HERE TO POST DAY END.
Okay, here we go. Re-read of Nanook:
Day 1:
#149: Says it would suck to be Dracula, anybody you target for biting, you end up dead. Postulates a doctor and a detective are likely, as are two masons and that means probably 4 scum.
#163: Randomly votes Roosh.
#164: Asks for mod clarifcation on Day’s end.
#170: Says he felt that townies would out Dracula immediately, that there’s no downside to immediately doing it, but didn’t think about the possibility of a scum scout claiming to be a Vampire.
#248: Mentions he doesn’t understand the pressure on ShadowFacts, that his pressure on lurkers is consistent with previous gameplay. The pressure looks like an attempt by scum to pull together a bandwagon early. Changes his vote from Roosh to CatinaSuit after Cat questions his vote being placed that early.
#286: Says there’s a difference between a weak vote and a random vote, a weak vote is possibly scummy. Also says some people will discuss random votes. Doesn’t think his vote is OMGUS.
#288: Says given a choice of Dracula and wolf, lynch the wolf because Dracula is only a threat in the late game.
#292: Clarifies his thoughts on random votes vs. weak votes: random vots shouldn’t be used after Day One, and weak votes are placed with weak justification.
#299: Says he thinks killing Dracula is the right play at the end of the game if faced with Drac + last wolf, since there’s no way of knowing how many vampires are around.
#301: Notes storyteller’s slip, hesitates about it because he thinks storyteller is too experienced for that and three scum seems a bit low. Unvotes CIAS while waiting for a response from storyteller.
#306: Says he was willing to give storyteller the benefit of the doubt, but his response isn’t good enough. Votes storyteller.
#312: Comments on board outage.
#351: Believes storyteller’s claim for now, unvotes storyteller. Says he’s thinking about putting his vote back on CIAS, but OAOW’s actions are suspicious.
#424: Says he thinks false claims happen rarely at best, so it’s more likely that storyteller is telling the truth. Leads him to look closer at people who are giving his claim a hard time, comes up with OAOW. Thinks OAOW is scum trying to make the town disbelieve storyteller. Votes OAOW.
#430: Tells OAOW he can’t think of many false claims in general, mentions some instances in different previous Dope games.
#433: When asked by sachertorte, gives example of Blam playing very townie in the Batman game. Says he misremembered what happened to CIAS in Conspiracy.
#451: Notes in his Blam example, the town backed off him because he made a reasonable argument, not because of his role claim. Says he guesses he did fall into a trap of considering the past too much. Says a good reason to avoid false claiming is that at best it is a delaying tactic.
#543: Mentions his thoughts on false claims again, and says he feels the way OAOW acted he couldn’t be just vanilla town disbelieving storyteller’s claim.
#549: Says it would be the scum’s wet dream to get constable mislynched.
#566: Says he and sachertorte will just have to disagree with their opinions of roleclaims.
End of Day One.
Day Two:
#648: Post apologizing for weekend absence and to OAOW.
#649: Fluff post saying CIAS was obviously scum since Rugger’s replacing him.
#655: Screwed up post.
#656: Says it’s impossible to determine CIAS/Rugger’s alignment if storyteller turns up wolf. Also says there’s likely no alchemist if storyteller is telling the truth. Says he’s leaning towards the scum trying to avoid the doctor if storyteller is telling truth since he’s still alive, although it’s WIFOM.
#659: Says to wait on killing storyteller, if he’s telling the truth the wolves will eventually have to target him instead. Says potential upside of letting story live outweighs potential downside.
#666: Says he didn’t think about the possibility of the scum using a system with the scout for investigations, but thinks sachertorte is overestimating the effectiveness of a system.
#668: Mentions WF Tomba is pinging him, but doesn’t explain why since he’s not voting him. Votes Hal because he’s done the bare minimum to stay in the game, promised information and never delivered, and piled on to the OAOW wagon.
#705: Notes that he’s not suspicious of Hal being away for the weekend, it’s that he’s been absent for most of the game. Doesn’t understand sachertorte’s interest in good game play over actually winning.
#721: Responds to Hal’s tag-teaming assertion, saying he has no defense on lurking and no comment in general on things that occured toDay. Says he’s happy with his vote.
#739: Says he’ll likely be away for the rest of the Day because of dentist.
#760: Complains about dentist. Says he feels Hal is scummiest still.
End of Day Two.
Day Three:
#881: Notes since story is still alive, it’s safe to assume that the wolves are doc hunting.
#887: Notes a difference in opinion does not make the other person scum. Says Tomba is pinging him because his argument against Blam is weak, and mentions scum will often let a townie lead a bandwagon on another townie, then turn on the first person and thinks that’s what WF Tomba is doing. Votes WF Tomba.
#890: Says he doesn’t buy WF Tomba’s theory.
#897: Says it looks like WF Tomba is trying to make the situation fit to justify the lynch, not look at the situation first.
#898: Agrees with ShadowFacts on how Blam’s been playing, but doesn’t necessarily think it means he’s a wolf. Says he’ll keep an eye on Blam, though.
#934: Fluff joke post, saying to lynch Mhaye again.
#972: Says he doesn’t know how to respond to Rugger since the entirety of the case against him is he’s tagteaming Hal with ShadowFacts. Notes Hal came in at the last minute and smudged, says he’s here on a regular basis and yet he’s the scummy one.
#979: Says one day’s crazy theory is the next’s bandwagon.
End of Day 3.
Day Four:
#1049: Lists all possibilities of Shadow and storyteller’s alignment. Says we’ll learn more if ShadowFacts is lynched first and then basing next actions on what his alignment is. Votes ShadowFacts.
#1057: Notes it’s obvious what to do if Shadow turns up town, but wants to discuss what happens if he turns up wolf. Notes it might be a good idea to lynch story for info at that point.
#1060: Does some math about determining how many wolves there are. Says he thinks it’s most likely there are 4 wolves.
#1068: Says he doesn’t know what we’re supposed to do about Dracula, and not sure how we’re going to out him.
#1070: Fluff joke post.
#1096: Apologizes for absence.
End of Day Four.
Day Five:
#1162: Votes storyteller, says he’s been bitten by Dracula.
#1190: Says we can treat Dracula as a confirmed townie at this point, since we need to lynch wolves not Dracula at this point.
#1191: Notes that it seems like Hal decided he was scum, then went for reasons to believe it which is a scum type move.
#1194: Says it’s not out of the question that the players won’t be informed if they’re bitten by Dracula.
#1197: Says he’s playing in 3 games and forgot how the rules were laid out for Dracula.
#1209: Doesn’t see how he was skeptical of storyteller the whole game. Voted for storyteller because of the slip and he had no defense for it.
#1219: Says he thinks Hal is the scummiest of the players alive that aren’t storyteller. Summarizes his case.
#1222: Apologizes for wording on previous post.
End of Day 5.
Day Six:
#1287: Votes Hal Briston, summarizes his case against him again.
#1292: Says Koldanar is coming across as townie to him. Says Hal is more scummy than Blam, and that Hal is playing the same game as Blam from the other board game.
(!!Only two posts!!)
Okay with that all done, let’s go ahead and summarize.
Nanook’s been very clear with his suspicions for the game. He and Hal have been locked in an epic struggle for most of the game, with Nanook thinking Hal is suspicious for lurking and not contributing much. He hasn’t really added much to his case since Day Two, but the behavior that he thinks is scummy from Hal hasn’t changed either.
One thing I noticed was that at the beginning of the game, Nanook noted that he thought Dracula was a threat in the endgame but we shouldn’t worry about him then. Now that it’s the endgame, he thinks we need to take out the wolves and leave Dracula be. Interesting.
Another thing I noted was defensiveness over Rugger’s wild-ass scum theory proposed on Day Three. He pulled out a “Hal’s lurking, I’m here and posting, why am I scummy” argument, and activity isn’t really a defense for scumminess or not.
Also, he interacted with sachertorte a significant amount the first two Days, but never weighed in on whether he thought sachertorte was suspicious. Said he thought Hal was scummiest, but never mentioned feelings one way or another on sachertorte.
I’ll have to concede the point that his vote for storyteller isn’t really that suspicious, when looking at it in context. He unvotes CaiS first, waiting for an explanation from storyteller, then when it wasn’t satisfactory he votes him.
Overall, I’d say I’m happiest with my vote on Blaster Master. There wasn’t anything that screamed scum at me when I reread Nanook’s posts, but there wasn’t anything that screamed townie at me either. A few questionable things. If pressed to decide between him and Hal in terms of scumminess, I’m not sure who I’d pick.
Hmm…I had been going back through this with a misconception in mind: I had figured we were in LyLo, but that’s probably not the case.
We can reasonably make two assumptions: this is a pure vanilla game, and there were three scum to start. If both of those are correct, then Tomorrow morning it looks like we’ll be down to five players – three town and two scum, and then be in LyLo.
<note: Damn you, Fretful…a preview shows that you just tied BLam with me in the voting, nullifying a lot of what I had typed…time to make revisions…>
I fully assume BLaM will be back before the end of the day (but very close to the end) to drop the hammer on me. I’ll be confirmed town, so here my $0.02 about I feel about the rest of the group:
BLaM is my #1…hands down there. That will leave one other scum, and I’m guessing he’ll be found in the remaining bloc that voted for me – Koldanar, Nanook and Rugger.
–Koldanar is leaning the most townie to me…if it were up to me, I’d look elsewhere. Unfortunately, the other two on my list aren’t doing much to give themselves away.
–Nanook is borderline, but he’s at least putting out some reasoning for his vote. His continual dismissal of my earlier case may be without merit, but it’s not necessarily anti-town.
–Leaving Rugger, who dropped the old “gut feeling, so don’t hold me accountable” garbage vote. He also claimed he would be back before the end of the day with more, but has yet to show up.
Does this leave Pollux and/or Fretful off the hook? Well, no, of course not…the remaining scum pair could have easily decided not to group their votes. But I’m thinking that in this case, they played it together.
Final note: If I’m right, then we went up against a scum team of storyteller, BLaM and Rugger. That would make for a game that town has almost no business winning.
Yeah, sorry 'bout not adding anything. Hold me accountable for my vote, though, I wasn’t trying to get away from that. Once I found out it was an all vanilla game, I kinda lost interest. The mods may still have a surprise up their sleeves, but after the scum were able to basically have a free claim (because there’d be no counterclaim) and there wasn’t a Dracula (IMHO, of course, because everybody was able to say that they’d been bitten), I just wasn’t feeling it.
If there are 3 scum left, and we mislynch, we’ll lose. But my current order would be Hal, BlaM, North, so I think we’ll be alright with lynching either of those two.
And thanks for the compliment on the second part, although I think you’re just scum sucking up. 
Ok…this may ruin us all
unvote Hal
vote Blaster
I do not want a tie here, and I’ve been becoming more comfortable with a BLAM vote toDay, especially re-reading Pollux’s (i almost typed Atarus myself there) analysis.
To sum up, it’s his ‘Your fault for looking scummy to me’ attitude, not changing his tactics after obvious failures, and general non-commital nature this game day that has me switching. I’m still eyeing up Hal too, though. His latest post seems more townie though. I’ll give him another day.
Sorry guys, I intended to come in here on Tuesday, but work has swamped me (kinda sucks when I get a pushed up deadline out of the blue) and I wasn’t able to get my analysis done. I really don’t even have much time here now, but I’m going to try to get in some useful information before the Day ends.
Well, Atarus, you’ve been pinging the hell out of me, but your vote post against me pretty much nails exactly what it is.
This is a very disingenuous representation of my play, even moreso because I’ve stated several times that that isn’t the case. I even went over how the particular playstyle I’m using works. So, let me lay it out in simple terms:
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Something occurs that I see as scummy. I point it out and try to get reactions from that individual and from other people.
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I make a case specifically laying out what I think the potential pro-town and pro-scum motivations are.
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I analyze the likeliness of each motivation and make an evaluation of the persons scumminess based on that.
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I expect the person to counter with why my list of motivations is wrong, incomplete, or certain other motivations were improperly analyzed.
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If the discussion does not result in a reasonable pro-town motivation for the behavior, I must logically conclude that there is not one.
As I’ve explained several times, this is why I was convinced OAOW was scum. I provided a list of possible pro-town motivations and a possible scum motivation. I explained my reasoning for why I thought the pro-town motivations weren’t his actual motivation. OAOW failed to provide any reasonable argument about his motivation at all. One person did provide an additional motivation which I also didn’t see as logical. That was the crux of the remaining argument of the Day. As it turned out, OAOW had that illogical motivation, and I STILL don’t understand why.
The bottom line is, if you’re pro-town, then YOU know what your motivations are for your behaviors. If you can’t explain why you did something and why that’s pro-town then you’re probably not taking your time to think through your actions.
I still think that, given the information we had at the time, the slip was a null tell. IME, these sorts of things end up being wrong at least as often as they’re right. I really don’t see how, given the information that we had at the time, that we could have known that it may actually have been a slip.
Further, you removed the contenxt of how I think it looked good for me. The bottom line is, I don’t think it’s logical that scum would put additional pressure on a fellow scum like that. That’s why I don’t think that Nanook is scum. The same logic follows onto why I think it looks good for me. The fact that you and Rugger are removing the context of that opinion is a dishonest way to make a case against me.
I repeat myself a lot, because people keep asking me the same questions. I still maintain that the case against OAOW was very reasonable for Day One. In fact, I was the only person who really made an effort to explain my position and my logic.
I don’t get what you’re not getting. We had a Constable claim from storyteller and, as I stated many times, I didn’t think the risk was worth testing at the time on Day one. The point was, we could kill storyteller who, for what we knew, was more likely than not to be a pro-town power role, or we could kill someone who wasn’t known.
I think it’s perfectly reasonable to, given the circumstances, favor a person that the current evidence points to being a power role over someone who has no such claim. This is only illogical now because we know that storyteller was lying. At the time, we had little reason to expect he wasn’t.
This is also a disingenuous point. Me too votes aren’t necessarily scummy, they’re just bad because they provide no useful information. As for not doing analysis, that is a factor of unexpected time constraint. I’ve simply not had the time to devote to this game that I would have liked to have.
This is because the votees didn’t do anything to change my mind. This has been my MO for some time, in that I don’t change my mind very much about my votes and I really don’t see what’s particularly scummy about exuding confidence in my votes as opposed to being wishy-washy like many others are.
Again, this is a factor of real-life commitments. It’s not like I’ve been in here keeping up and not participating as expected. This is a purely meta-game point and it doesn’t really mean anything to either side.
As I said, I chose a very agressive strategy for this game. Unfortunately, it just hasn’t played out well simply because my assumptions about the game make-up were WAY off.
Further, what exactly is scummy about my suspicions of these people? You lay it out like I simply attacked them for defending other people. I really don’t see how you interpret any of my actions as self-preservation, as I would consider that vastly different from aggressive play which has been how I’ve approached this game.
Either way, time is running short, and I think there’s sufficient misrepresentations of my behavior here to substantiate my suspicion. I’d like to actually do some analysis of your other posts, but there just isn’t the time.
Vote Pollux Oil
And, since it looks like I’m going to get lynched for my first time as a townie, I might as well lay it all out there:
I’m about 90% sure that Pollux Oil is scum. He’s done a good job of appearing helpful without actually contributing. He’s been pretty much under everyone’s radars. And he’s been picking up other people’s ideas and running with them, which is scummy motivational transference.
I really don’t think Fretful Porpentine or Nanook are scum for reasons I already laid out. Of the remaining three, I’d say Rugger is probably the least likely to be scum based on the assumption that **Pollux Oil ** is scum. Koldanar is probably the most likely to be scum, with Hal close behind.
IOW, look closely at Pollux Oil, Koldanar, and Hal in that order Tomorrow.
Either way, hope this is useful. Good luck.
So what’s the scoop?
Hey guys, my meeting did run long, and then I had to go to lunch (they make us walk away from our computers after 6 hours.)
So, here, as they say, is the scoop.
BlaM has been lynched.
He was a Townsperson.
Sorry folks.
Don’t know if everyone met the minimum post requierment or not yet. I will let you know in the AM if anyone else is also dead.
Well played scum, you’re the first ones to manage to get my lynched as town.
Anyway, good luck town; I hope those events left some good tidbits.
NAF, please spoil me.
Kinky!
Sigh…well-played, scum.
Just giving this a bump…just because I happen to be at the computer for a few while we visit the in-laws.