Hal, do you care to come out and respond? You’ve been the lurkingest of the players this game I think. W/out a post count list in front of me, I would be willing to say you have the shortest posts as well as one of the lowest counts in game. You’ve tended to jump in at the tail end of the day, with either nothing much to say, or a strange tag team story about shadow and nanook. Our day is going entirely too slow. Unless you have something profound to add,
Vote Hal Briston
A fair point. I don’t have time today, but I’ll do my best to get my thoughts and either my case for or my case against each of the remaining players. I should have sufficient of time tomorrow afternoon and/or evening.
Ahem…have we all given up? Distracted by the monster that is Conspiracy 2? Seriously guys, get in here and get analyzing. I plan on posting a bit during lunch, and possibly later tonight. We need to get this game moving! Scum have to be loving us right now.
Respond to what? I’ve stated several times that I’m not going to come out and pad my post count with noise, just to keep people happy. I know that that doesn’t give others much to go on, but that’s just the way it is this time around. Life has gotten unexpectedly busy of late (hell, I have, what, two posts in the new game?). It’ll be calming down shortly, and things’ll be back to normal.
To address the specifics in that post:
This one I found interesting, and I’d like to know who it was that said “that just how Hal plays”…'cause I don’t. I rarely lurk, and am often near the top of the post counts…maybe not to RoOshian or Ruggerian levels, but up there. I wish I’d addressed this at the time (of course, at that point I though Shadow was scum), so he could point out specifically who was making those excuses for me. I wouldn’t call it a straight-out scum indicator, but it might be worth looking at. Anyone able to point to someone saying that about me?
I already addressed his misrepresentation of what he called my Day One “classic scummy bandwagon jumping” vote of OAOW. And of course, he threw out plenty of misleading hyperbole about the “tag-teaming” between himself and Nanook. True, he came up as town, so the tag-teaming wasn’t actually there, but he didn’t help himself by continually blasting the tag-teaming theory. Especially in the context of…
…and then turning around and voting to lynch a fellow townie (Freudian Slit).
One last bit here:
You mean <gasp!> a tag-teaming scum theory? But, aren’t those supposed to be “ridiculous”, “beyond thin” and “ludicrous”?
Anyway, it was all town-against-town and it’s all irrelevant now. So, on to current affairs:
Although Shadow coming up clean helps his case, Nanook still isn’t out of the woods as far as I’m concerned. Scum are just as capable of picking a side in town v. town attacks, so he could very well have been playing off of Shadow’s attacks even though it wasn’t a planned-out maneuver. Back burner for now, though, because…
Koldanar gets my vote today. You’re simply riding the coattails of a proven townie, while putting in little besides “you’re lurking”. In back-to-back posts you refer to my votes as “a strange tag team story about shadow and nanook”, yet seem fine with the fact that Shadow accused Diggit and Blaster of the same move. Never mind the fact that it was never “strange” – no matter how much people want to deny it, the tag-team theory works for picking out scum. Continually denying it just makes people look…well…scummy.
I have more to say, but this is getting long enough, and I have a 2:00 meeting coming up. Back later.
Vote Koldanar
I think this is a misrepresentation of me. The only time I’ve come in at the last minute was yesterDay and that was because RoOsh was visiting and I didn’t have much computer time up until the last minute. I may have a low post volume overall but I still put my opinions out well before the deadline.
I’m planning on reviewing the early Day posts by Blaster Master, Nanook, and Santo Rugger/CatinaSuit in that order. I’ll probably also retake a look at Hal’s posts as well. I’m getting townie vibes from Koldanar and Fretful so I doubt I’ll vote for them toDay but I’ll still hopefully have the time to look at their early posts.
I understand that “vibes” can be difficult to quantify, but can you give me anything that shows I should rethink my vote?
The person I find scummiest should come as no surpise to any of you.
Vote Hal Briston
I’ve outlined why before, but I’ll recap here. He’s done the bare minimum to avoid a mod kill, posting just enough near the end of the Day to stay alive. This is amazingly anti town in a game with no power roles, as this appears to be. (There could be a pro town reason if he was something like a doc trying to hide, but I can’t imagine anything of that nature in this game with the way it’s gone.) His votes on me and Shadow were weak, no matter how much he handwaves and claims it’s a scum tell.
Shadow’s words, not mine. I want people to respond to his accusations; more information out there is a good thing. We now know that his motivations were town, so I feel we can use his points to ferret out other issues.
(nitpick) It’s story and Blaster, not Diggit and blaster (nitpick). I never said that calling out tag teaming in general was silly, I was calling your issuing of it silly. I couldn’t fathom your calling those two out about it; it was a loooooong stretch. The story / blaster connection from the other post though, we at least have a confirmed scum in the mix.
FWIW, ShadowFacts expressed very heavy suspicion of DiggitCamara (whom we now know to be town) and fairly heavy suspicion of BlaM and Hal Briston (either or both of whom could be scum). And of storyteller, of course.
Fair enough…and thanks for correcting me on the storyteller-not-Diggit bit…that’s certainly a big difference. His findings of possible collusion between BLaM and story fit in quite nicely.
Perhaps I’m being played, but a reread shows you acting pretty much in a consistent townie manner, so we’ll start with…
Unvote Koldanar.
It’s a pretty safe assumption that we’re at LyLo right now. If so, then I know voting for me will lose it for the town, so hopefully we can get it together on this one. I’m not altogether convinced about Nanook, but I’m going to keep with what Shadow pointed out and…
Vote BLaM.
<fingers crossed>
GAH! Are you seriously just taking it as a me too w/out at least explaining what points you are agreeing make him look scummy? Unless I’ve missed it somewhere. It just seems like you’re playing a bit lazy right now. As it is I still think I may take my vote off of you. Blaster has done the good old “I have things to accuse you of (to me)” yesterday, I asked him for analysis during this game day, and he came back with “Good point. I’ll be back later tomorrow”. Hasn’t said anything yet. He’s not contributing to analysis w/out his accusations, and has just, again, lazily voted the past few days.
Kold is coming across to me as more townie than not. I can see the case against Blam, and I can sorta buy it, but I still maintain that Hal has been acting far scummier than anyone else in this game. Actually, looking things over and thinking about it a bit(warning, metagame stuff coming up), it seems like Blam and Hal are basically playing the same game. Look at Hal’s actions in this game, and compare it to Blam’s in Apocolypse. Very similar. And very anti-town, pro-scum to my eyes.
Okay, reread on Blam. He basically doesn’t say anything on Day One for a good while. Posts early saying that he moved over the weekend and internet is spotty.
Storyteller makes his well-known slip at post #285. Blaster Master makes his first catch-up post at #307. Mentions strategy about how the town should deal with Dracula.
#317: Mentions suspicions of storyteller for his logic on Fretful Porpentine vote.
#318: Votes storyteller, citing that Fretful’s Scout speculation is at worst a null tell, possibly a slight townie tell.
!#324: Says the following:
!#325 and #326 are responses to responses about one of his recent post. In one he says:
So at this point, Blaster Master has voted for storyteller and knows there’s suspicion on him.
#328: Weighs in on debate between sachertorte, says:
#334: Weighs in and says we should lynch a wolf before Dracula if given the option of both.
#345: Response to sachertorte about Dracula, saying it’s to Drac’s and the town’s advantage if the scum are afraid of outing him for fear of counterclaim.
!#347: First of Blam’s comments on storyteller’s slip. Says he sees it as a null tell, despite the fact that he is already voting for him.
(Note: this is after storyteller has already claimed Constable at post #333, as sachertorte later points out.)
#350: Math stuff about probabilities of 5 wolves in response to storyteller about Fretful.
#354: Unvotes storyteller, says:
#355: Confirms that he was still in the process of catching up when he made post #347.
(Note: He says he was still in the process of catching up, but he has responded at least twice to recent posts before this.)
#358: Responds to Fretful’s vote of OAOW, says that while he finds OAOW suspicious, his unvote of storyteller is a null tell.
!#359: Responds to OAOW’s FOS of him, says he just made the point about the unvote and since OAOW is FOSing that clearly wasn’t his logic, and then votes OAOW.
#376: Responds to sachertorte’s questioning of the OAOW bandwagon. Mentions motivational transference, says OAOW outlined his own motivation but attributed it to Blam. Says since he FOSed Blam because Blam didn’t want to take the risk of killing a Constable, it couldn’t also be OAOW’s motivation. (I think I’m summarizing this correctly, but my head hurts a little bit from reading all of Blam’s posts, heh.)
#378: Says OAOW’s pressure of storyteller is interesting but not enough to vote for him. The unvote is also reasonable, and the FOS of Blam is reasonable, but all three actions together = anti-town behavior.
!#379: Says:
#384: More explanation of why he voted for OAOW. Says OAOW was twisting his words.
#386: Question posed towards Diggit about accusing sachertorte having PIS.
#392: Response to post from OAOW, says he failed to address his case and repeats his case against him.
#397: Responding again to OAOW.
!#398: Responds to Diggit, saying:
#453: Another response to OAOW, who failed to answer his question from the previous response.
#457: Talks about lynching lurkers. Says “lurking is relative.” Questions OAOW’s accusation that he is Dracula.
#458: Says:
#459: Mentions Dracula, says lynching him is not a waste but is sub-optimal and it’s better to try and get the wolves to use a Nightkill on him.
#460: Says his issue with OAOW’s pressure is that it went too far and that it was certainly anti-town.
#462: Responds to WF Tomba’s attacks on his OAOW reasoning. More explanations of the same things he’s already said, such as motivational transference.
#465: Responds to sachertorte. Says:
In this post also he says that sachertore is right on OAOW’s tail for scumminess.
!#466: Says it’s possible to evaluate the scenarios around storyteller’s alignment without actually having to kill him. Also says we may not find out if storyteller is telling the truth or lying for Days, and that leaving OAOW alive as a second unknown variable would “increase chaos” and reduce information.
#476: Does some math and probabilities on storyteller being the constable.
#506: Does more math and probabilities on constable and detectiveness.
#507: Says that he’s tried to find “the most consistent role distribution for the motivations at hand” regarding OAOW and storyteller, and he thinks the most consistent is OAOW is scum and storyteller is not part of the same faction.
#508: Mentions that if storyteller is lying, he’ll eventually screw up.
#513: Response to sachertorte, says there’s potential PIS in his post about potential wolf role claims (specifically about the Doctor), and is tempted to just vote for sachertorte.
#515: Says he’ll stop answering sachertorte’s questions after sach complains that Blam is the only one answering things.
#517: Says sachertorte’s martyr attitude makes no sense.
#518: Finds out he was mistaken about Doctor protection rule, but says his point still stands since sachertorte made the same mistake.
#525: Says he’s done with sachertorte and will vote for him tomorrow.
#533: Says confirming storyteller confirms his results, but his results don’t confirm him.
#534: Says Freudian Slit showing her vanilla PM is a bad idea.
#573: Says Freudian Slit’s forgetting that the vanilla PM was already posted is more likely to be a town tell than a scum one.
And that’s the end of Day One.
Damn, maybe I shouldn’t have started with Blam. My head hurts like hell.
The exclamation marks are self-notes for myself as points of interest. I was going to do Day Two next but I need to take a break and step away from the computer. Phew.
Well, this kind of sucks. I’m not going to have Internet access for the next few days (apart from a brief layover in an airport with free wireless), so I have to vote for someone now, despite the fact that this game is making me feel stupid.
Updated final vote lists from Days 1-3 (adapted from Pollux Oil’s previous post:
Day One
9 - OAOW: Fretful Porpentine, Blaster Master, storyteller, Freudian Slit, RoOsh, Nanook, Koldanar, Hal Briston, Darth Sensitive
5- Freudian Slit: Pollux Oil, Hockey Monkey, CatInASuit, OAOW, sachertorte
1- sachertorte: DiggitCamara
1- Hal Briston: ShadowFacts
1- Diggit: WF Tomba
Day Two
5- sachertorte: Blaster Master, DiggitCamara, Freudian Slit, storyteller, Rugger
3- Darth Sensitive: Pollux Oil, WF Tomba, Koldanar
2- ShadowFacts: Hal Briston, Fretful Porpentine
1- WF Tomba: Darth Sensitive
1- Hal Briston: Nanook
1- Blaster Master: sachertorte
1- DiggitCamara: ShadowFacts
1- Freudian Slit: Hockey Monkey
Day Three
5 - Freudian Slit: Santo Rugger, Koldanar, ShadowFacts, WF Mhaye, Pollux Oil
4 - WF Tomba/Mhaye: Blaster Master, Darth Sensitive, Nanook, Freudian Slit
2 - ShadowFacts: storyteller, Hal Briston
1 - Pollux Oil: Fretful Porpentine
1 - Hal Briston: DiggitCamara
I shall explain what I make of all this in my next post.
Conclusions, such as they are:
There were no scum-on-scum votes on Day 1. (I know that there were no scum-on-scum votes on Day 3, either, but I don’t expect the rest of you to accept that conclusion.) If there were any scum-on-scum votes at all prior to Day 5 (and there usually are), it would have to be Hal and Nanook. But…
Hal voted with storyteller on Day 1 and Day 3. On Day 3, they were the only two votes on ShadowFacts. I don’t quite buy a pair of scum voting together on an unpopular candidate, especially if there are only three Wolves in the game. My sense is that they’d spread out more.
On that note, who hasn’t voted with storyteller? Of the seven surviving players, Pollux Oil is the only one who voted for a different candidate than storyteller on all three days. Coupled with his two “storyteller isn’t the best lynch for today but he is for tomorrow” posts on Day 2, I’m inclined to think that he was distancing himself from storyteller.
I feel kind of guilty saying this when I’ve just used his voting chart, but based on voting patterns, I think Pollux Oil is the likeliest candidate. (Besides, his demeanor – low-key but helpful, a tendency to post lots of factual information while hedging a bit on stating opinions – works for scum, although it may just be a matter of personality, so I don’t want to make too much of that.)
Vote Pollux Oil.
Vote Hal.
Call it gut, for now.
I plan to do some rereading tomorrow, and see if I can glean anything from before the whole story fiasco.
Blam’s Posts Day Two:
#678: Talks about the WIFOM on storyteller’s survival + Rugger’s true alignment, says there’s nothing to be gained about Rugger’s alignment if storyteller is scum.
#679: Double post of the next one, unfinished
#680: Gives his promised vote of sachertorte, stating he didn’t like his implicit defense of OAOW the previous day. Says he doesn’t think a lynch of storyteller is good and a vote for Hal is premature since he’s not lurking, he just hasn’t participated at all.
(Note: The above posts are all the posts he gives before Thursday, the final Day.)
#768: Says that sachertorte’s assertion of him only playing badly because he must be scum is insulting. Defends his position on OAOW by saying:
Also says:
#772: Defends his stance on sachertorte, saying that the fact that he was proven right in OAOW’s alignment was irrelevant, it’s about the motivations behind the actions.
#780: Quotes a post of ShadowFacts’, saying it’s the third of his that’s “implicitly” defending sachertorte. Doesn’t know what to make of it because it’s the same behavior sachertorte was doing.
#782: Calls out sachertorte, saying that sachertorte mentioned him as one of two people that responded to him about explaining their OAOW votes and yet sachertorte was going after him.
#784: Says Hockey Monkey’s vote bugs him, because she mentions suspicion of sachertorte but votes Freudian Slit instead.
#788: Says that what he found suspicious of sachertorte yesterday was his “out of nowhere” defense for OAOW. Also says that sachertorte has changed his tune and has gone from “The arguments against OAOW were illogical” to “OAOW was obviously town.”
#791: Says that sachertorte blames the OAOW lynch on him, but says he was not responsible for the “me too” votes that followed, and considers “Me too” votes bad.
#805: Asks ShadowFacts to elaborate on his Diggit suspicions.
And that’s the end of Day Two. A lot less than Day One, that’s for sure.
Day Three:
#855: Says he doesn’t like questions about why scum would kill people, there’s usually not enough information to draw a good conclusion.
#857: Notes that he doesn’t think either case of his for OAOW or sachertorte was clearly wrong. Mentions that his aggression is a playstyle, but it forces him to post a lot and put a lot of arguments out.
#859: When WF Tomba accuses him of thinking wrong, he brings up the fact that WF Tomba thought sachertorte was scum on the previous day as well. Votes for WF Tomba.
#899: Responds to WF Tomba, says he’s misrepresenting his case against OAOW. Explains his case against OAOW again.
#900: Another response to a different WF Tomba post. Once again restates his case against OAOW, and once again says he thinks it was a decent first Day case, but it probably wouldn’t have flown on a later Day.
#902: Responds to ShadowFacts pointing out that he doesn’t deter from his decided lynch targets no matter what. His response is:
#903: Questions ShadowFacts’ motivation for asking storyteller about his reasoning of finding Koldanar suspicious. Says it could be scum fishing for information, and mentions he’ll have to take a closer look at ShadowFacts.
#904: Questions WF Tomba’s, wonders if Tomba’s admitted his case against him is OMGUS.
#910: Explains to ShadowFacts why he thought his previous post was suspicious, that getting involved in a discussion about investigation tactics is not useful to the town.
#919: Defends against WF Tomba some more. Says:
#921: Loooong post in response to ShadowFacts, summary is he considers the point he made to ShadowFacts settled.
And that’s the last post of Day Three.
Phew. Days 4, 5, 6 next.
Day Four:
#1101: Votes for ShadowFacts
#1103: Tells ShadowFacts he’s borrowing his shtick from Recruitment. That in order to believe ShadowFacts is town, we’d have to believe that there isn’t another detective and that storyteller isn’t the detective either.
#1106: Fluff post asking storyteller if fluff posts count to the goal, but he wants to meet the post requirement without having to resort to fluff.
#1108: Says if ShadowFacts ends up scum, that it could be possible that storyteller is scum but not likely.
#1110: Mentions a post of Nanook’s that he finds odd. Says Nanook is continuing to make a point that if Shadow shows up as wolf that doesn’t necessarily confirm storyteller, and says it doesn’t make sense.
#1115: Says postulating on “what if storyteller is a wolf” is not worth it because it’ll be proven one way or the other shortly. Also mentions that ShadowFacts’ XMas post is good for information if he turns up wolf, and that there’s probably one wolf on it out of him, Diggit, and Hal, so he’s wary of Diggit and Hal.
#1118: Fails to see a downside of a plan where everybody says “I’ve been bitten by Dracula.”
#1119: Fluff post goofing with the mods.
End of Day Four.
Day Five:
#1149: Votes Storyteller. Says that this is the first solid piece of info and he thinks this is a completely vanilla game, and that there’s probably only 3 scum and not 4. Also says he thinks it’s fairly unlikely there’s a Dracula in the game.
#1151: Mentions JSexton’s formula, and that if it’s all vanilla it’s either 13-3-1 or 14-3. Also says he seriously doubts storyteller would have made the claim if he had reason to believe there was a detective.
#1155: In response to storyteller’s vote for him, asks for an explanation for his vote.
#1156: More talk about JSexton’s formula. Says we should go back and look at when storyteller claimed as well as when he falsely-read ShadowFacts as wolf, under the assumption that maybe the scum were afraid we’d find another one in addition to storyteller.
#1158: Says that storyteller’s “investigations” don’t lend any weight to determining Rugger or Koldanar’s alignment.
#1163: Says he supports the “bitten by Dracula” plan.
#1167: Clarifies, says he would like explanations from people who refuse to participate.
#1186: Says the “bitten by Dracula” plan is simply to test to see if there is a game mechanism preventing any bite victims from claiming. He’s also says he’s inclined to believe Dracula doesn’t exist and dispelling the paranoia about Dracula so we can focus on other things is worth it.
#1187: Addendum to previous post, says there might be a downside to revealing Dracula in that we’d have to play a game of chicken with the scum in terms of killing him.
#1196: Restates rules about vampires to clear up a discussion.
#1198: Responds to Nanook’s response of his rule clarification.
#1228: Quotes posts from Koldanar, saying he’s smudging him. Also says Koldanar is on his list of potential scum candidates and plans to make note of his suspicions prior to the end of the Day.
#1229: Responds to me, mentioning that theorizing the number of scum is good for basis of information, since voting distributions for three scum vs. four scum might look different.
#1232: Makes note that his vote was made before he’d even read the slip and it was based on his attack on Fretful. Also says he doesn’t find Nanook’s vote particularly scummy and says the events look good for him, Fretful, and Nanook, and that he probably won’t vote for any of them.
#1241: Responds to Rugger’s comment about him saying things look good for himself, asking him to point out where if he disagrees with his logic, otherwise his statements aren’t helpful.
#1245: Response to me, saying he doesn’t get the reasoning why he or Nanook might look suspicious and asks me to explain why scum would jump on the slip if it might reveal important information.
#1246: Says storyteller’s investigations are useless.
#1248: Says it looks like he’s out of time and he’ll have to wait until tomorrow to post his cases.
#1249: Replies to my idea of a panicking scum, asks what gives me a reason that him or Nanook are more likely to do that. Says there’s probably more information to be gained from a good read of those events.
End of Day Five.
Day Six:
#1267: Agrees with Rugger that I’m suspicious and intends to “review the case” against me. Says the generalization of him is false.
#1273: Argues with Rugger. Asks why it’s suspicious to point out something that makes him look good when it’s relevant to his analysis. Reposts his analysis.
#1274: Notes that he thinks the scum probably thought storyteller would get lynched soon which is why they went with the plan of saying ShadowFacts was a wolf. Mentions possible WIFOM, says there might be information gained by reviewing ShadowFacts’ opinions because there might have been a reason the scum wanted Shadow dead specifically.
#1278: Says he’s done arguing with Rugger unless he’s going to bring anything else to the table. Wants to see reasons instead of snarkiness.
#1279: Says he thinks ShadowFacts was probably chosen because he was an easy target since he was under suspicion by several.
#1282: Says he doesn’t have time to put his thoughts together but he’ll put together his case for the remaining players soon.
And that’s it. Phew. Okay, putting it all together next.
Alright, so as I reread Blam there were several themes that jumped out at me.
He plays aggressively, which in itself is not scummy. But the fact is he doesn’t alter his approach at all, after he leads two townie lynches. Instead he sums it up as “Well, it’s their fault for acting so scummy and not giving me good enough reasons to vote for somebody else.” In fact, this is a prevalent theme in most of Blam’s defense about everything. He usually points out that it’s other people’s faults, not his own.
When he votes for storyteller, it’s before he sees the slip supposedly, but he does respond to recent posts made after the slip and he knows there’s suspicion on storyteller. He says that this looks good for him because he didn’t vote for storyteller because of the slip. When he does get to the slip, he thinks it’s a “null tell.”
He repeats himself a LOT. He repeats his reasoning for voting OAOW several times, never really adding anything new just repeating the same things over and over again. He mentions on Day One (post #379) that the case against OAOW is strong enough that he’d vote for him several Days from now…but on Day Three (post #900) says it was a “decent first Day case” but it probably wouldn’t have been good in the later Days.
Post #466 on Day One jumped out at me in particular, because he said, and I’ll quote it here:
He makes a deal of leaving OAOW alive as an an “unknown variable” that would “cause chaos” and yet…at that point in time everybody is essentially an unknown variable. This doesn’t make much sense to me.
At post #791 on Day Two, he mentions that he thinks “me too” votes are bad, but at no point in time does he do any analysis on any of the “me too” voters.
The only time he’s changed his vote or mind about anything was storyteller’s claim on Day One. On Days Two and Three he voted early and never changed at all.
He promised cases on the remaining people at the end of Day Five, ran out of time before he could do them, then didn’t follow up on it on Day Six and we’re nearing the end where he might run out of time again.
Overall, Blaster Master’s been playing a very rigid, self-centric game. He jumped on sachertorte’s defense of OAOW and then ShadowFacts’ defense of sachertorte. He hasn’t really defended anybody until recently, instead he attacks people consistently. He has “defended” Fretful and Nanook by saying he probably wouldn’t vote for them based on the specific incident surrounding storyteller’s claim. I really got the impression while rereading that he was more focused on self-preservation and keeping his own nose clean than anything else.
I know he’s probably going to show up tomorrow and rebuttal all this (probably with some math somehow 
) but I’m going to go ahead and
Vote Blaster Master
Because I’ve gotten a strong scummy vibe from how he’s acted after rereading his posts all together in one (well okay two, but Day One was a freaking lot) sitting.
Sigh. I didn’t expect this to take this long. Man, between this, Conspiracy, and hosting the off-board game I think Mafia took up at least 6 or 7 hours of my day. No more multiple games at once! Never again! flagellates self
I’m going to step away from the computer for a bit, then come back and do a (hopefully) quicker reread and analysis of Hal’s posts before I go to bed since there will be considerably less, then get up tomorrow and go through Nanook’s posts.
Okay, here’s a run-through of Hal’s posts in the game:
Day 1:
#162: Says it would make sense for a veteran’s game to have secret roles and private win conditions, but looking at how the Batman game played out he’s unsure.
#180: Responds to storyteller’s take that the game will probably be more straightforward and says he might be right he still doesn’t think all is what it seems to be.
#181: Chastises storyteller for “handing scum strategy” by saying they could claim Vampire if they’re on the lynching block.
#192: Says he likes storyteller’s idea of enforcing that townies say they’re bitten by Dracula immediately.
#447: Claims he made a long, substantive post the previous day but the board ate it, votes OAOW because his actions reeked of a scum ploy. Also says he’s going to catch up.
And that’s his last post of the Day.
Day 2:
#627: Says he’ll participate more this Day, and he’ll make a voting chart.
#677: Posts link to vote chart.
#719: Makes his first mention of ShadowFacts and Nanook as a possible scum team that’s tag-teaming him. Asks ShadowFacts why he made a big deal about him lurking on Day One, but was quiet on Day Two.
#726: Realizes he made a mistake in where the Day started. Says he’s not bandwagon-jumping because he thinks it’s when somebody constantly switches votes to hide with the pack, and he only voted once. Then votes ShadowFacts.
#747: Replies to ShadowFacts’ suspicion of Diggit’s reasoning on voting sachertorte, says it’s pretty shady but not 100% proof of scumminess.
#764: Posts about when the Day ends.
#808: Replies to Blam’s post, saying that if OAOW’s mislynch was so obvious that everybody that voted for him must have been either incompetent or scum…and that there’s probably a better option. Then says that he thinks sachertorte might be town since ShadowFacts is saying it’s a terrible lynch.
That’s it for Day Two.
Day 3:
#962: Votes ShadowFacts again, cites tag-teaming of Shadow and Nanook again.
#965: Quotes storyteller’s unbelief at Freudian Slit’s vote on WF Mhaye, wondering if he missed a reason somewhere.
#966: Says he’s working on getting the required number of posts.
#970: Responds to Rugger’s crazy idea of Diggit, Shadow, Nanook, and Freudian are all scum, says Diggit’s vote on him would make the pattern too perfect.
#989: Says he won’t switch to Freudian or WF Mhaye because he thinks both are bad lynch targets.
#996: Says he thinks Freudian is a worse choice than WF Mhaye because there’s no good reason for her lynch, but doesn’t think either are scum and will keep his vote on who he finds scummiest.
That’s it for Day Three.
Day 4:
#1048: Says the only reasonable way to approach the lynch is to assume storyteller is telling the truth. Votes ShadowFacts because he still finds him and Nanook’s tag-teaming suspicious.
#1075: Says that since Nanook wants to lynch story, he takes it that story is who he says he is, but admits it could be from thinking Nanook is scum in the first place. Also says that lynching what might be one of the major power roles for info is bad.
#1086: Replies to Diggit’s assertion that if storyteller’s not the Constable, then either there’s no Constable or there’s an inept Constable on the loose, and says that’s the biggest indicator that storyteller is pro-town.
#1091: Replies to ShadowFacts’ post about his scumminess, quoting it for ease:
#1105: In response to Rugger’s “what gives”, says low posting leads to lack of discussion which leads to low posting. Says he hasn’t kept quiet on anything he has an opinion on. Doesn’t buy ShadowFacts’ argument and thinks Nanook is scum as well. If Shadow turns up town, he thinks it’s a no power role game.
#1113: Summarizes his case about Nanook and ShadowFacts.
#1120: Replies to Rugger’s idea about getting everyone to say they are bitten by Dracula.
That’s it for Day Four.
Day 5:
#1177: Votes storyteller, apologizes to ShadowFacts, says he doesn’t really have anything on Nanook either now.
#1178: Says he still expects storyteller to say something more before the Day ends.
#1215: Says he was bitten by Dracula.
#1221: Replies to Nanook, saying it sucks that ShadowFacts turned up town because if he was a wolf there was a strong case that Nanook was a wolf too, but now the entire thing is a null tell. Chastises Nanook for saying that he “attacked a known townie.”
#1231: Says that it looks more and more like this is an all-vanilla game, and that the scum would have known for storyteller to pull off that sort of gambit. Says there’s probably three scum left, and Koldanar and Fretful are pinging him but he doubts they’re both scum.
And that’s it for Day Five.
Day 6:
#1284: Says he’s not going to pad his post count just to make people happy, he knows there’s not much to go on but that’s just the way it is this time. Mentions that he doesn’t normally lurk. Says Nanook isn’t in the clear because he could be a scum taking a side on a town-on-town debate. Votes for Koldanar, saying he’s riding coattails of a proven townie and not adding anything.
#1286: Asks for clarification on my vibes on Koldanar’s towniness.
(Incidentally, I don’t really have anything specific, it’s just been a general feeling from how he’s been posting and what he’s been saying during the game.)
#1290: Unvotes Koldanar because a reread makes him seem to act in a consistently townie manner, then votes Blaster Master because of what Shadow pointed out in a possible collusion between storyteller and Blam.
Whew. Still took a while but definitely not as long as Blam.
Thoughts:
Hal’s been really playing as a lurker. On Day One, he participated in early discussion about game design, then pretty much disappeared until he added to the OAOW bandwagon without really giving a good reason besides “his behavior was scummy.” Day Two, he picked up a possible ploy that two scum (ShadowFacts and Nanook) were tag-teaming him because of his lurkiness, then votes for ShadowFacts. Comes in very late on Day Three, and continues his idea of ShadowFacts and Nanook tag-teaming. Day Four he’s confident that ShadowFacts is scum, and Day Five he becomes a bit more penitent.
Biggest thing I noted was that on both Day 2 and Day 3, Hal distanced himself from the lynch right before the deadline. First on Day 2 he said that now that ShadowFacts was saying sachertorte was a mislynch, he was probably town. Then on Day 3 he says that he disagrees with both the leading candidates and thinks they are town.
The problem is, I can’t really read Hal’s pattern as town-lurking or scum-lurking…to me it could go either way. He hasn’t put too much out there to analyze and I’m second-guessing myself over and over. Right now I’m more comfortable with my vote on Blaster Master.
Phew, okay, time for bed. Tomorrow morning: Nanook re-read.
So glad the Day ends tomorrow, I have actual work I need to get done.