Agreed and for all the reasons you stated in the rest of your post.
I also agree that he is likely PFK, I am just wondering if PFK is the best use of our lynch.
I don’t have any problems with a BlaM lynch as of right now though. I would similarly not have any problems with a Hal lynch.
Regarding the whole Freddy Krueger thing…
I’ve already stated my views on basing analysis solely on color, so it isn’t much of a stretch of that philosophy to say that I’m not too keen on basing analysis on player-proposed color that doesn’t even belong in the same canon and we have only the weakest circumstantial data about (dreams/nightmares).
Well, considering the other deadbeat was The Predator, it’s certainly a good possibility.
Ah well…my own bad for joining a game when I knew I’d be unavailable for two weeks close to the beginning. Makes catching up so damn difficult, and establishes a bad baseline. Lynch the lurker is just about always an incredibly bad idea, but it’s a meme that just keeps hanging around. Can’t blame anyone for going with it.
Going against what I’ve posted without giving any reason, on the other hand…
I’ll agree it is a possibility, but I don’t know about “good”. Suspect him of being a PFK, it is certainly one of the possibilities I’m carrying, but why take on any added risk of guessing the wrong dream/nightmare related horror movie character cameo? I’m more comfortable discussing the data that can be confirmed or pointed at with a quote.
Whachoo talkin 'bout Hal?
I’m still formulating an opinion, just wanted to say thanks to Ped and agree with Jsexton that we cannot fear a Jester. If he’s a win-stealer, I’d consider that poor design, and wouldn’t expect it from Story.
I don’t hold this opinion myself, but it is possible that he’s a bomb or some such - if folks are really convinced that he’s trying to get lynched, may I suggest that only claimed vanilla vote for him, and everyone else abstain, or fauxvote, or something?
The information I have on that is no different than the information you have. There’s no implication that the heart attack wouldn’t work on deadites. My guess is that it is, again, a color difference. Since one I’m actually witnessing the dream and not actually creating it, then the normal state for a deadite is to not dream. For the second, I was inducing a dream, so maybe that’s the difference. Really, I don’t have a good explanation.
I don’t want to give a full role claim because, as I said, the specific mechanics are that I have a series of one-shot powers, so a full claim would lay out specific what powers I have left. I’ve also already mentioned which powers I’ve used and when, so I’m not sure what I can add to that.
I do, however, have one power that I’m willing to mention because I think it may be able to allow me to prove that I can enter dreams and that my intent is not malicious.
I am willing to use this power, instead of a potentially more useful one, to prove that I can enter dreams and that I am not malicious. I’ll even leave it to the rest of the town to pick a trustable person that I can tell it to. And if I fail to follow through, I will not resist a lynch tomorrow.
I was hoping to save it for when I’d gotten some juicy results, so I could provide my information without revealing myself, but, well, plans change.
I’m talking about things like “I don’t like Hal’s re-entry to the game post even a little bit, and will gladly join that wagon if it looks like it’s necessary”. I’m talking about things like pedescribe’s “well he was lurking and even though he’s here now and posting with substance he wasn’t before oh and he was lurking” vote.
If someone wants to address my vote against Cookies, that’s fine – but “I don’t like it” is useless.
I’ve addressed your vote for me, with specifics, and if you’re trying to drum up suspicion against pede the un-counterclaimed mason, you have your work cut out for you.
Even though I happen to believe that you’re town, you do realize that this would in no way confirm your alignment, right? It would confirm that you have that claimed power, and nothing else.
Does the person have to be fully alive? I believe you aren’t scum Blaster, if for no other reason than no one is arguing strongly in your defense. You could be a PFK, but mostly I just think you are being your obstinate self. I’m a little confused on your findings on Cookies. Are you saying she can’t be a deadite if she was honest about having a dream?
How about Pede? He’s fairly trusted. If you are still alive at the end of the Day he would be my pick.
Bolding mine. There is zero about that power that will prove your alignment in any way, shape or form. Hell, it doesn’t even prove your power unless the person you’re telling the message to is confirmed town–if they’re scum or part of a PFK group with you all bets are off–which you do seem to realize, I’ll give you that.
You KNOW there’s nothing about messages that say anything about your alignment – you’re savvy enough. Why even try to say otherwise?
Vote Blaster Master because he’s smart enough to know he shouldn’t have even tried to claim that.
Considering my vote was against you, it would stand to reason you’d be against it, wouldn’t it? Hence you not being mentioned in my response to NAF.
As for pedescribe, being an uncountered mason doesn’t mean his vote isn’t completely without good merit. Pointing out this fact is not the same as trying to “drum up suspicion”.
I’ve got up to Today’s [post=10662220]post 35[/post] in my second read, and I can’t let this pass.
NAF said :
If I’m happy to let a Day end without a vote because I didn’t see a strong enough case on a player, then maybe the fact that I placed a vote on someone suggests that I thought there was some evidence against him?
The last time I intentionally abstained was Skrull Planet, and I only did that on Day 1. My purpose was to say “I don’t believe we should lynch either of the two leaders, but really don’t have enough on any of the others.” Once we get past day 1, or maybe 2, I don’t believe in deliberate abstention.
I still think his actions in claiming to be both Alpha and Beta Redshirt are actions a nonTown player would take and a Town-aligned player would not. The fact that he did proves him guilty of poor play (sorry Chucara, but that’s what it is). If for some reason he didn’t want to reveal his Alpha/Beta status then the statement “I am vanilla Town” suffices perfectly well for the test. My vote was for that obfuscation.
At the point I voted, he’d have been lynched anyway (the most votes on another player at that point were 2), so I didn’t need to jump on the train to ensure he was lynched; I could have abstained and it would have happened anyway. My vote was made purely because I found his actions that Day scummy.
And with that, I have to get some tea before continuing with second reading.
Agreed, but that vote’s the wrong color. 
And just because I’m the one you’re voting for, doesn’t mean my response to your reasoning should be summarily ignored. I’ve had issues with pede’s play this game too, and he’s had plenty of issues with mine, but I don’t know how productive the “you’re not helping” posts are, and I’ve even made some of those myself.
You’re right that it doesn’t necessarily confirm my alignment, it does, however prove that I can enter dreams without malicious intent. If I’m some sort of killing role, what good would it do me to have a power to pass information discreetly? Also, if I use that on Pedescribe, who I agree would be a good person to give a message to, then it also means that I’m not doing something else malicous.
So sure, I suppose it’s not conclusive proof, but really. If I’m a SK, which would mean we’d have TWO SKs in the game, I haven’t managed to kill anyone (I suppose there’s the possibility that I’m responsible for the third kill, but I have specific information about another person on that Night), and I have a power that is utterly useless toward any reasonable goal as an SK.
So even if I am some sort of other PFK, I use that power and I do nothing to further whatever possible win condition I may have, or I’m lying scum, in which case I won’t be able to follow through, and I get lynched Tomorrow anyway, or I’m actually pro-town.
Is this power available to you any time or does it have to happen during a Day or a Night?