Dawn will happen moderately promptly at 1:00PM Eastern Standard time on Saturday, December 27. As a reminder, any Night actions, or changes to Night actions already submitted, are absolutely due by 12:45PM EST on Saturday - use 'em or lose 'em, folks.
Day One will begin on Saturday at 1:00 and last for three days – until Tuesday the 30th at 1:00PM. From there, we will begin our standard schedule of three days/two days for Day/Night.
peeker, I have not counted your unvote for Thing Fish or any other action that may have happened off board, since I have to leave here in twenty minutes and don’t really have time to look over there. Consider the vote count above definitive.
Merry Christmas to those who celebrate it, and Happy Day-That-You-Almost-Surely-Have-Off-Work to everyone else!
Glaedelig Jul, totallost and Chucara! peeker, for the love of Og, come play on FB! We will fluff their faces off. Between you, totallost, and me, those FBers are gonna be washing fluff off their faces for weeks. And I got you a white sweater. Just don’t look at it in direct light.
The Missus loved the solitaires, #1 loved the purse, #3 and #4 are geeked about the Wii and components, turkey is smoking (with a rosemary chili powder rub that is to die for). And the freaking overlord of all things that are good got a gold pass to his favorite golf course for an entire year.
Is there a little dot on that there sweater? Because if there is then I have to fuck the cleaning lady. Gadzooks, it’s a circle of life thread. You know under the sea (have fun Mario players) and circle of life dashed with “My Pretty”. Go get 'em Roland.
Peek Do I really have to do the whole explanation thing, again?
**Thing Fish/Almost Human/Chucara/Total Lost/Shaggy/Mighty fucking Mouse somethingoranother, et al[\b]. Yes.
Peek Can I start simple?
Chorus No.
peek In the beginning there was nothing. And Og was bored so he threw out the cosmos. Totally, uninteded there were dinosaurs. I think Barbarella had to fight them. We went to the moon - no cheese. The Italians were irked. I think it started with Capricorn - the atheologist. He had this weird idea that the lights we see at night are really something other than just blips.
Ipso fuckto, it bequeathed GW and Cheney. The prophets became nervous because the seals (rooof rooof) were slowly being rendered inconsequential. So we bailed out a bunch of rich folks that are basically parasites on society. Someone’s got to suck the tit, however.
And I really didn’t like the band wagon suggestion by TF
I think the vote to apply pressure is a good Town tactic. Often, anti-town talk or actions gain a comment or two. Without votes, the comments are often ignored as other topics (genuine or not) are born. A vote, however, is much less likely to be ignored. It applies pressure to the person being voted to comment further. In your case, Thing fish, you commented and I then I unvoted you.
That said, it’s not only a Town-only tactic. It can easily be a Scum (or PFK) tactic as well, seeing if a vote can gain traction while not committing to it fully, but I feel the potential benefit is worth the risk.
On a completely different topic, we will have to eventually find a way to finally kill macey, since we cannot completely eliminate Scum while he’s still 1/5 alive.
Merry Christmas, everyone. My family celebrates on Christmas Eve, so I’m home now, recovering from a most delightful time spent with my family
And, appropriate seasonal and/or generic greetings to everyone.
PS. I encourage everyone to join our facebook group. Here’s the site (you’ll need a facebook account to access it, but you can always create one):
Please don’t think the current game, which I’m modding is an indication of our play syle. This game started as the largest we’ve ever tried (33 players) and also started with almost 50% first time players. But, as you’ll see, the games are more fluffy, which can make it noth infuriating and enjoyable
I’m not confused about Chucara’s idea, I’m not convinced that the distinction between the original idea and the modified version constitutes a significant difference, much less significant enough to justify your radical shift in attitude toward it. And you have thus far made no attempt to offer an argument that it does.
As for my interpretation of your use of “ignore”, of course you addressed it by denying that you meant it the way I read it. I just don’t happen to find your denial convincing. By that standard, I have already addressed all of my statements that people have cited as reasons to vote for me, so why is your vote still on me?
Yes, that’s the strange thing. You contradict yourself. If you know the ideas are different, why did you say they the same? I was pointing out the part that was false.
Hmm:
Ok, you didn’t base your vote on it, but you certainly added it as a reason to keep voting for me.
Well, since the ideas are, by a simple reading, not the same, I am working on the assumption that you have the burden of proof.
It’s fine if you’re not convinced, but don’t claim I’ve not addressed it when I did. That’s what I’m complaining about.
Having a vote on someone you’re not convinced by is pro-Town. I’ll not complain, even if that vote is on me. It’s your false statements about me that are anti-Town and are why I’m voting for you.
This is a good explanation and I don’t see anything wrong about it.
However, I’ll point out that it takes more analysis and weighing of factors to determine that Chucara’s second idea is not a net positive for the Town. The first idea is easy to determine, which is why a placed a vote on Rapier
I’m not so sure about this. A Townie who plays perfectly pro-Town cannot have good arguments against them. If enough players play pro-Town, scum will be forced to give poor arguments or bus their own. Of course, that kind of play has eluded us so far.
I will agree that a poor argument can be made by both Town and scum. And so can a good argument.
Now to find some scum. A look back at Macey part 1.
First to point out Macey’s post, but does it fairly mildly. Slight pro-town read
First to go right after Macey. I find it highly unlike to be a scum ploy. Strong pro-town read.
Third vote after Brewha and me. A meaningful vote in moving Macey to a viable lynch option. Earlier then I would expect scum to concede a teammate. Also I would kind of expect a first time teammate of Macey to be gentler. Not as strong as the read on Brewha, but still likely pro-town.
A reasonable position, but note the difference in tone from Hockey’s and the lack of vote. Could be any number of things. Mild pro-scum read.
Notes the difference yet votes for him anyway. Could easily of said a similar statement, but withheld a vote. Solid pro-town read.
Our first vocal dissenter. I’m not really sure what having a different mason mechanic has to do with fishing. It still wouldn’t have given him any reason to question a claimed mason. Sure it could be a townie being wrong, but I would expect the scum to at least try to get Macey off the hook, and Amrussell was the first to try. Solid pro-scum read.
I unvoted because I think there is information in the lynch, especially the last one. Since I was going away and didn’t have time to process this information, I unvoted you as I didn’t want to risk being away and having a vote I wasn’t sure I could support. I wouldn’t say I mind the system, but at least for day one, I don’t want to just blindly carry it over. I was not convinced that Macey was scum, and I’m not convinced you are scum either.
Ok, just finished a quick read, the only thing that comes to mind is that I don’t think we should in any way assume that there are no scum in the 9 people who voted for macey.
For my internal scorecard, the first few people to vote macey have gained a few townie points, but once the wagon started rolling, I don’t find it unlikely that a scum or two might have jumped it to gain town cred.
What exactly did I say that was so similar to the highly suspicious thing said by the vote leader? A quote would be nice, because it feels like you’re trying to throw me into the same boat without offering any evidence.
Again, if you want to accuse me of skimming, you can come right out and say so. I wanted the people voting for Thing Fish to restate the case because a) carry-over votes should come with a carry-over case; b) townie voters are the best people to summarise the case and c) any scum voters will be reluctant or less able to give a neat précis because their reasoning is by definition spurious.
I see where you were coming from. I didn’t read Chucara’s post in quite the same way (specifically, I didn/don’t see much of a workaround) but given that difference I can see why you would think Natlaw’s edit was misleading.
How do you reconcile this in the case of a “slip”? They’re happening every 5 minutes these days. A slip is the 800 lb gorilla in the room and a slip alone can be easily 80% of the basis for any given individual’s vote, with the other 20% being that individual’s unique mix of reason/luck/bias. The scum will be voting for that person, townies will be voting for that person.
A townie Naf could conceivably come to this conclusion. The thing is, this is exactly how I would expect a scummy Naf would act. This I see A but how bout B tactic is a very effective scum strategy, one used often in SDMB. It serves a few useful purposes. It allows the subject to be pushed off of Macey, and on to Chucara. It connects the two of them for if Macey is scum who fishing, then surely Chucara should be a prime suspect for his fishing attempt. Or if Chucara is lynched and comes up town anyargument against Macey would be similarly discounted. Lastly,it allows Naf to state a suspicion of Maey, while actively working to prevent his lynch. So, while it is possible for a townie to find subtlely to be a sign of scumminess, I find this much more likely to be a scum ploy. Strong scum read. And if I’m right about Naf, I would doubt that Chucara is scum.
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Dotchan comes in and attacks Macey off the bat. Mild pro-town read.
Disagrees with the Macey lynch and threatens the attackers. Signs show scum, but Pleo’s other actions in this game have me pointing in the other direction. We will put him at neutral.
We are starting to get to the point where scum will give up and jump aboard. Very slight pro-town read.
Could a townie make this argument. That is certainly one possibility. However, once again, this is what I would expect scum to do. Make an argument that sounds logical, but is meant to steer townies away from a specific action. When you can’t defend the player, attack the idea. There is no fool proof way of finding scum, so every idea has false positives. Definite pro-scum read.
Points suspicion, but votes elsewhere. Leans mildly pro-scum.
Thinks Macey might not fishing? I really have no idea what to make out of this one.
Kind of an odd stance, but I don’t think a scum would be that direct in stating something they knew was wrong. Maybe a PFK?
Late votes could be either side. Neutral read.
So that leaves three likely suspects in Naf, Cookies, and AmRussell, while Brewha, Hockey, and Special Ed are probably pro-town. Or at least scum…
I’m going to go ahead and vote Cookies , but I’m okay voting for any of the three.
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Why not vote for me Hawk? If I was you I would be voting for me. Of the arguments you presented, the one against me is the strongest, your case against Cookies is actually fairly weak. So why her over me or even AmRussell, both of us have stronger cases against us.
