I am sitting here bored as hell with a rare amount of free time on my hands before my next work shift on Thursday evening. I’d rather not spam up the thread talking just to myself. Is there anyone free to be my verbal jousting partner for the next few meanwhiles awake and bored right now?
If not I’ll consolidate my thoughts into one post and toss spoilers around it for easy scroll-past-ing.
Pizza’s plan basically boils down to: “Hey, what if we all actually played Mafia while we were playing Mafia?” At root, there’s nothing particularly radical about the idea we should build cases, test them and come to a conclusion. But the truth is that all to often in these games Town don’t, as a collective, really do that. And the consequence is that people can and do fly below the radar.
There are some aspects I don’t think will work - the careful balancing of “lead” and “secondary” votes in the judgement phase, for example - but the basic idea of getting people to say what they think is a good one.
One question about the nominations process first though: Pizza, the aim is to have no more than 3 votes on nominees, right? So what do we expect people to do if their favoured nominee already has 3 votes? The choices seem to be a) not nominate anyone, b) nominate someone else they are less likely to lynch or c) say “Me too” without voting. All contradict the point of this exercise, which is to commit people to a choice.
FIRST DAY ONE VOTE COUNT
RedSkeezix (1 vote) - Askthepizzaguy (215)
choie (1 vote) - GuiriEnEspana (220)
Ryjae (1 vote) - GuiriEnEspana (220)
Yah! Weirdo poster I am 
I got tingly because I caught an obvious skim but then upon reflection I recall doing the same thing before. So I went on to elaborate one of the things I have seen many innocent usually vanilla townies hang from the rafters for… skimming.
I fell for it last game I was in, seeing an innocent mistake and firmly believing gnarly was scum when he was as town as I was. So this game I am trying to overlook skimming/innocent mistakes in wording as a basis to vote. If that will work anyway, seeing especially Day 1 is a crapshoot.
I really hate the idea of voting blindly, but I also hate the idea of not voting at all (which itself may be suspicious, I guess?).
Right now the only piece of information I have is that Pleonast almost always reveals himself on Day 1, but this game he has chosen not to. Since this is (apparently) out of character for him, I
Vote Pleonast
Wow, glad I checked in today…I’ve been so out of the loop since getting the ax on D1/D2 in the last two games, I got out of the habit of checking every day.
Anyway. Pizza I like your idea, my only issue with it is the other time you suggested we go with it you were Scum…So I’m a little biased to trying your idea, as you are being the oh so helpful townie trying to figure this out. IDK, is it possible to pull Scum 3 games in a row? I find it unlikely in a meta kind of way, but I’m throwing it out there, that I read you more carefully than most…I really hope we are on the same team this time, because I want to use your Maf experience to bring us to a win! LOL. I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, and give your platform a whirl.
I need to re-read to see who I’ll nominate for Phase 1.
Nah, He outted himself as much as I’ve seen him out himself in other games. I do hate blind voting, random.org voting, and the such. I like to have a real reason behind my vote.
Um, yes, that’s why I mentioned the possibility in the sentence you quoted…
So Pizza, what do you do if someone does something pretty scummy near the end of the Day? Do we have to start over at the Nomination phase? Who adjusts the schedule?
I agree with Stanislaus, the Four Phase plan is basically quantifying what we should be doing anyway, but this in practice this process should happen in parallel and not in series.
I’d like to try the Pizza Plan©, and in the spirit of that, I’d like to nominate LightFoot for consideration. This post has the tiniest touch of potential scummitide to it.
LightFoot acknowledges that scum can be truthful when they use the barn, but we might still get info from it. This is true. However, a few people (Pleonast and USCDiver) had already mentioned been discussing the downsides of the barn, so this tiny “me-too” tickles my gut. If any particular player has a 50/50 chance of being scum, I’m moving LightFoot into the 51% column. I know that math isn’t right, but just run with it! 
And speaking of USCDiver, I’d like to nominate him as well. Total gut feel for this post regarding Chucara. Despite my earlier joke before the game started, I don’t generally believe skimming is a scum tell. It’s something iIhavent seen much success from. I do find people who point out “slips” that aren’t actually slips are scummy, and this is semi-like that. Kinda. Or it’s just a strategy disagreement between him and I. For Day 1, lets say that puts Diver at 51% too.
So, that’s where I’m starting. Let’s get some votes up in hee-ah!
vote USCDiver
vote LightFoot
Thanks, I didn’t catch it was one shot. That makes a lot more sense.
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I nominate RyJae for this stupid point. And I’m supposed to vote for my nominations as well? I think so, so here it is.
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Vote RyJae**
If we follow Pizza’s suggestion I think there will be more random votes out there on D1 than there usually are and no one will be held responsible for their vote. Guess I am one of those wandering cats. I have a feeling it will give scum an advantage at first, not sure about later days.
I think there should be a system and an order to things, but this isn’t parliamentary procedure bound by Roberts Rules of Order. If someone actually comes out and (as an example) says “look everyone, I’m scum!” During phase four, we don’t need to back everything up and restart the process. Just do what we normally do: vote for the scum.
And I think this is a horrible idea. If you’re so awesome at your ability to choose the correct 8/26 players, you should probably stop playing mafia and put that talent toward keno or powerball. But 99.99% of the time you’re mixing town and scum together and making your voting record, and your vote, completely useless.
Which is exactly what scum want.
Vote Red Skeezix
Because of the delayed start and the continued interest in signing up, I want to ask:
story, do we have an official player list?
The goal is to eventually coalesce on a few targets, and then settle on a lynch town finds acceptable. If the end of the Day sees someone lynched with two votes, we’ve done something terribly wrong.
While you’re correct that Day 1 sees a lot of random votes, I’d argue that almost none of the votes so far have been random. I’ve seen plenty of (admittedly tenuous) rationales for votes, and this part is called nomination for a reason. In the next couple of phases, we’ll pare our targets down. For instance, I might decide player X is more suspicious than my current nominations, and move accordingly. At least in my case, I will end each Day with a clearly explained single vote expressing my top suspicion.
Basically, it encourages what we should already be doing. I like that! Everyone is accountable, and everyone gets a chance to discuss each other’s nominations.
… and I just realized I’ve been defending Pizza’s plan more forcefully than I intended to when I started this response. I guess I like it more than I thought. However, I think you should play the way you want to play. If this doesn’t catch your fancy, just catch scum how you want!
Things I like about Pizza’s plan:
Things I don’t think will work:
However, on balance I think it’s worth proceeding with nominations, so:
vote Babale for this longpost, explaining his initial (erroneous) post about the Barn and a “stalker”. Story’s assurance of anonymity was an easy thing to miss, and no blame attaches - but his response is a lengthy, rambling justification/explanation, which basically says the same thing three times to three people, just so we’re all really, really clear that it was a simple, honest slip-up. This looks like someone keen to deflect any negative attention which I think is enough for a nomination (or vote, to use the technical term).
I’ll just make this clear: For the time being, I will stick to Pizza plan. If nothing else, then just to see how it works.
The biggest drawback IMO is the loss of flexibility. I usually vote 3-5 times a day - often to no other reason than to get a reaction from the person I’m voting. I find that more often that not, by endgame, this will give me an (often correct) gut feeling about who is scum and who is not.
I haven’t played with many of you long enough to know who to nominate just yet.
I will second the nomination of **Babale **for the reasons already given in post #236.
I will also nominate Mahaloth, for voting for a previously-nominated player but not putting forth a candidate of his own (post #231).
Vote Mahaloth
I’m unclear why people think you can’t vote as you always do. By all means, make your 3 to 5 votes. Unless I’m seriously misunderstanding Pizza’s idea, once you’ve made your nomination, there’s nothing preventing you from switching to someone else’s nomination or developing a new one.
I have two votes out. My job isn’t “done.” I can add to those votes, change those votes, join someone else’s votes, or do anything else I care to do. There’s nothing locking me to LightFoot and USCDiver.
… have I misunderstood how this works?
Well, I guess I had this coming. Yeah, I rambled… I had a break between classes and was posting from a computer rather than my phone for the first time that day. Guess I got a bit carried away :P.
Now, with regards to Pizza’s plan… I do like it a bit, though I certainly think of it as more of a guideline. If I had to break it for the Greater Good because I honestly changed my mind about whether my nomination was Scum, I would. But in general, it seems like a good idea.
For now at least, I don’t have a nominee. RyJae’s tingly post is the only thing that stood out to me, and without further evidence I’m more inclined to chalk it down to a different sense of drama and humor than me, not to scumminness I can vote for.