Maybe I’m not understanding your reasoning then. Because as best I can tell, you are arguing that on Day 1 you were surePizza was Town and since he flipped Town that should somehow exonerate you. You also use the SWNDT defense. You further rationalize this by saying that pizza was more or less saying the same thing about you Yesterday and since he flipped Town it must also mean you are town. Am I misinterpreting?
Let me just say that in the absence of a Masonry or Doctor investigation, I look askance at any player who is so certain of another player’s alignment.
Sorry to have been an absentee narrator for the past few days. Official vote count to follow, but first, a public service announcement:
I will reproduce on the Barn, without fail (within the limits of my own fallibility) whatever color, punctuation, capitalization, and spacing that is sent to me. I do reserve the right to change the font sizes if I think you sent me a size that’s too big aesthetically. Any text surrounding that text, about paint color or other artistic medium, is color (pun sort of intended) and nothing else.
6 votes
[ul][li]Choie – GuiriEnEspana (712), Stanislaus (786), Enderw24 (788), choie (795), Mahaloth (799), Meeko (817)[/li][li]Chucara – Texcat (733), Diggitcamara (804), choie (805), Lightfoot (835), wombat99 (851), USCDiver (852)[/ul][/li]
3 votes
[ul][li]GuiriEnEspana – choie (795), Silver Jan (822), wombat99 (851)[/ul][/li]
2 votes
[ul][li]Texcat – GuiriEnEspana (712), Chucara (815)[/li][li]Fubbleskag – Diggitcamara (836), Enderw24 (846)[/li][li]Babale – Stanislaus (786), wombat99 (851)[/ul][/li]
1 vote
[ul][li]Silver Jan – GuiriEnEspana (712)[/li][li]Suburban Plankton – Diggitcamara (759)[/li][li]Diggitcamara –Johnny Bravo (787)[/li][li]Stanislaus – Cometothe…Cookies (816)[/ul][/li]
Day will end tomorrow (Thursday) at 2:00PM sharp (Eastern time), or in about 19 hours.
I know, i’m coming in late to this barn discussion, but it seems to me like a big fat red herring at this point.
I must have missed lightfoot’s vote on chucara yesterday because when I see it quoted it looks like utter nonsense. While that sort of behavior can be irritating I fail to see how giving an opinion without all the facts is an indicator of scumminess.
vote Lightfoot
Next up:Choie and the barn of self voting.
Sorry, but I cannot recall a scum player self voting in a case where they were not also claiming to be scum.
vote Mahaloth vote USCDiver
Both of these votes where choie self voting were a determining factor is nonsense. It just seems like these two needed a reason to jump on a bandwagon.
Without a counterclaim I can’t really justify keeping a vote on him, but I still think my original reason for voting him (calling out the first people to comment on the grammar error) was a decent one. I’m certainly not going to consider him a definite townie.
I’m going to
Vote Choie
for the extreme fatalism. I agree with whoever said above (Mahaloth?) that a townie facing the noose should argue to the bitter end.
But more important than that, when Choie self-voted (and somebody should feel free to correct me if my timeline is off - I’m having some trouble keeping everything straight), she only had three votes to Diggit’s five votes, and this was before he claimed as a Mason. At that time, Diggit’s lynching seemed in the bag. If choie had thrown in the towel after becoming lynch leader and after the mason claim, I would feel less suspicious.
I will also:
vote Red Skeezix
for not contributing anything at all, waiting until nearly the last minute, and then throwing out three votes on players who hadn’t yet attracted any votes today. I don’t like that signal-to-noise ratio. He’s probably not going to get lynched this round but I don’t mind putting my suspicion out there. It feels like an attempted “safe” post to create a record of participation without having to commit to the broader discussion of the two lynch leaders.
Then read and enjoy. What a ridiculously scummy thing to do–vote me (again to take Chucara’s head out of the noose) for something so easy to look up. Here, I’ll save you the trouble. I even mention it in my post:
So, and this isn’t an OMGUS because otherwise I’d be voting for six people, but it sure as heck is a vote because once again someone’s trying to get Chucara saved from the noose under patently false reasons. And people say I can’t keep things straight… this is way worse than any of my confusion over the stupid barn color.
vote Johnny Bravo
Because I want it on the record.
Did I? I don’t remember that. I remember voting for someone and then pulling my vote almost immediately–I think that was the thing that nearly got me lynched. (As Town. Again.)
Yeah, probably bad play, but again I’d rather die than waste people’s time. On the other hand, I’m curious about Chucara. Very curious. So I’ll be watching once dead to see exactly what the story is there.
You may well be right. That might be why we clashed in De’endee, and yet why we also worked well together in Phere.
Anyway, before I go, unless there’s a last minute shocker, I want to get this on the record too:
vote Weedy
Because a grand total of two posts means someone has something to hide. She’s either super-powerful Town or the freakin’ Godfather. Or rather, Alpha Werewolf. (Sorry, almost forgot the storyline here.) Besides, I vaguely remember her being super quiet to start with during De’endee and she was one of the scummiest scum that ever scummed. Not that past performance is indicative of future profits, as the investment ads say, but still. Just want to throw her out there as someone for Town to watch.
Of course not. It would say the same about you that choie’s says about her. Absolutely nothing.
Although after a reread, I find that your reaction to Diggit’s behavior was more in keeping with a town ideal than Mahaloths. He jumped at the possibility of voting for someone, while you explained your opinion on the matter. And I feel that that lack of opportunism (ie you skipped another obvious bandwagon) is either a cautious scum or pro-town. OTOH Mahaloth did exploit the opportunity twice. I have to wonder if his opinion on choie’s actions would have been the same if he had not had to flee his Diggit vote.
** Unvote USCDiver **
There’s some things wrong with this post:
Why continue to impugn a claimed and not counterclaimed mason? It will sort itself out in due time. Either by counterclaim, death or corroborating (or lack thereof) claims.
Since when is “extreme fatalism” a exclusively scum trait? While I agree that we should all do our best to continue to fight to the bitter end, since when was it the objective of town to lynch those who do not? Sorry but my win condition does not say: “You win when all those not afflicted by extreme fatalism are dead.”
It’s interesting that you consider my post “safe”. I seem to be introducing other possible candidates, albeit late in the day. Also, I’m calling out scummy behavior where I see it. Things like nonsense votes, and voting for behaviors that are not indicative of anything at all. Furthermore my lack of position involving the two lynch leaders, is a reflection of my ambivalence towards either of their lynches. They may possibly be scum, but my feelings that their actions are less scummy than those I’m voting for.
Since when is “extreme fatalism” a exclusively scum trait? While I agree that we should all do our best to continue to fight to the bitter end, since when was it the objective of town to lynch those who do not? Sorry but my win condition does not say: “You win when all those not afflicted by extreme fatalism are dead.”
Should read:
Since when is “extreme fatalism” an exclusively scum trait? While I agree that we should all do our best to continue to fight to the bitter end, since when was it the objective of town to lynch those who do not? Sorry but my win condition does not say: “You win when all those afflicted by extreme fatalism are dead.”
Choie, you’re right. I screwed up the order - your vote was a few after diggits reveal. I was scanning for blue on my phone and missed the context, so I willunvote Choie for the time being, and reread more tomorrow before deadline.
Voting me for a mistake that I said I might be making is pretty weird, though.
[OOG] As I mentioned, I’ve been fairly busy at work. Many apologies for the radio silence this Day. I don’t think I’ve ever had to sit out a Day in Mafia like this before, and I don’t plan on doing it again. [/OOG]
First up, my feelings on Choie. She’s been quite the topic of conversation. Her response to my “:dubious:” post is interesting because of her intense over-reaction:
I didn’t vote for Choie. I raised my eyebrow at her twice. At this point, I don’t believe she’s gathered more than a smattering of votes in the entire game. This is a preposterous response to my post, totally over the top for a “suspicion” post in a game that involves suspicions.
This part too is interesting. Choie says I’m “inventing” the idea that she accepts Pleo left the message and simultaneously casts doubt on the veracity of said message. I believe these quotes, all from the same post, show she was still doing that.
What is the point of asking how Pleo knew there was a serial killer? Either he knows, or he’s lying. Since we can’t ask him, this speculation is useless, and we have no reason to suspect he’s lying. I get that none of your previous games have had this mechanic, but that’s neither here nor there. We have a message reportedly from the Butcher. We know there is a player called The Butcher, and we know that player is town. We have no reason to suspect the message did not come from that player. So what is the point of questioning how Pleo knew, if not to cast potential doubt on his accuracy?
Wait…
You too?!?
I am, a little bit. But I never accused you of doubting that the message was from Pleonast. I accused you of doubting its accuracy for no good reason.
I think there are some borderline lazy votes on you, Choie. But I don’t understand your tone, and it’s a far cry from how I’d expect you to act as town. You weathered accusations in De’endee Mafia far better than this. In fact, the last time I remember a response like this was in a PM during Phere Mafia, where you went over-the-top when I started to post suggestions of suspicion towards you. I should have followed my gut then and voted for you, and it would have served me well.
And yet, despite all of this… I can’t be sure that I should vote for you. I remember my own frustration in Genre fiction, where I (in an INCREDIBLY bone-headed move) managed to out myself as “scum” by forgetting my team’s name. And I wasn’t scum, I was the town cop. Yup, lynched like a fool for that one. I think we won anyway, but hell if I helped. But I’m sure, if I reread that game, my posts would come across about the same as yours in this one.
I absolutely see scum motivation in some of your actions. I can also absolutely believe a town Choie could act like this. It’s actually bothering me how much I can’t come to a decision on you. I approve of the lynch… but I’m less sure of it than I normally am. Maybe that’s a good thing. I tend to be awfully sure of myself when I’m happily mislynching my own team.
Oh well. Vote Choie.
Let the voting record show I approve of this lynch.
Thought I was done? This is but the first of (several?) posts. Got some catching up to do. More posts to follow, eventually. Also, more votes. I’m pretty sure I want to vote for babale, too.
All I was saying, Astral, is not that I doubt Pleo. It’s just flabbergasting to me that people think my being weirded out by both Town and (apparently) Scum knowing of the existence of a Serial Killer is suspicious. It’s not Pleo whom I doubt, it’s the second person confirming this SK, and not just confirming it, but doing it the very same Night that Pleo wrote the same dang message.
I questioned this bizarre qoincidence because it is freaky and I wanted others to try to help figure out why, and how, this second person knows, not just about the SK, but perhaps even that Pleo was our vigilante.
The fact that everyone seems to ignore this, and seems to think I’m focusing on Pleo, is what is so. fucking. frustrating. Because yes goddamnit I know PLEO was Town, and not just Town, but the Town Vigilante. OKAY? So as it was written, so let it be BLEEDIN’ STATED AS FACT ALREADY!
I was not focusing on our Vigilante. I was focusing on the third dude or dudette, telling us nothing we don’t know (a SK’s standard win con), but somehow wanting us to know that s/he knows there’s an SK. And as far as I’m concerned that’s gotta be Scum, because a Townie would’ve told us something of more value. Further, I wanted to understand the mechanics of this game. Maybe I was wrong for doing so. Maybe no one else cares about the mechanics. But once I’m swinging up there on the tree, remember please that we have:
A Town Vigilante who was rather fortuitously informed that there’s an SK
Three (alleged) Masons who rather fortuitously know two other people are definitely innocent.
A presumed Town Resurrectionist*
That’s a lot of power and information on our side. So what I’m begging y’all to consider is that there’s no way, no way at all, that Scum doesn’t have some serious firepower at their disposal if this is going to be a balanced game – because Town, by definition, is NOT supposed to have this much info at our disposal this early in the game.
THAT IS WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.
Let that be my last word of defense–and it’s not so much defense as it is trying, rather desperately (like Pizza, indeed) to get Town to get its collective head out of its collective ass and ponder just what kind of fucked up dynamic exist over in Scumville, if it’s going to balance out our superior numbers AND the unorthodox level of power and info we have.
And also, once I’m dead, please consider the people trying to dismiss and/or misstate everything I’m saying. I may be a crap player (okay, forget the “may”) but I can smell some whiff of ozone in the air when there’s a storm a-brewin’. And it’s headed straight for our Town.
Though if this person’s anything like I was as Ultimate Big Bad of Phere, you raise the most Towniest-seeming Townie in order to look damn good yourself. And I did. And I was Scum.
These are my feelings as well. It is a null tell at best for people to get frustrated. I just don’t see a choie lynch as being the best choice at this point. But I can’t get excited about the case(s) against Chucara either. I do prefer people to vote where their suspicions lie instead of feeling compelled to just pick between lynch leaders, but that’s is exactly what people often feel pressured to do or are actually pressured to do. Wasn’t that a facet of the whole Pizza plan? To have this elaborate nomination process and then have people choose out of the vote leaders? It sounds fine and dandy but what if the nomination process doesn’t happen to net scum? It might be awhile before we know if any of the people gathering the most votes are scum or not.
Page 15 catch up (My pages have 50 posts each, if you were curious. Changed that to 200 once, it was overwhelming trying to find stuff.)
Why did you never follow up on this thought and take a look through the thread for this potential near-death scum?
Why do you think the SK didn’t already know the first bit of info, and why do you think the second bit is necessarily true?
So you believe the quote came from neither the wolves nor the SK and may be misinformation, but we should follow it anyway and lynch the SK? Further, you posit that there might be a role whose SOLE PURPOSE is to eliminate the SK (and we know it’s not Pleo, because he likely left the other message), but we shouldn’t trust that role to do their SPECIFIC purpose and instead should burn a lynch on him? That earns a :dubious: all on its own.
This bothers me too, but not enough to call it scummy. I’m not sure why you’d get a message, and it’d be easy to accuse you of faking it, but it’s not a lynching offense for me, not until I can see if other players corroborate getting such messages. I’ve seen others suggest the same, and I think it’s the most prudent action.
The obvious conclusion is that the game may be balanced to end on D5 in a worst-case scenario, and that there is nothing wrong with that message. Assuming slightly less than 1/4th of the 27 players are scum (which I think is balanced with 3 deaths a night) would look like this:
All numbers are at the START of that round.
Day 1 - 20 town, 6 scum, 1 SK - mislynch
Night 1 - 19 town, 6 scum, 1 SK - 3 town kills
Day 2 - 16 town, 6 scum, 1 SK - mislynch
Night 2 - 15 town, 6 scum, 1 SK - 3 town kills
Day 3 - 12 town, 6 scum, 1 SK - mislynch
Night 3 - 11 town, 6 scum, 1 SK - 3 town kills
Day 4 - 8 town, 6 scum, 1 SK - mislynch
Night 4 - 7 town, 6 scum, 1 SK - 3 town kills (game over here?)
Day 5 - 4 town, 6 scum, 1 SK (game over?)
As that quick run down shows, the balance doesn’t quite work out. But I don’t think the messages necessarily conflict, just that I haven’t accounted for something.
Why do you wonder this? I’m 99% sure the first message came from Pleo. It doesn’t make sense coming from anyone else, as it does nothing to further the agende of the SK or the “wolf’s”. The second isn’t wine, as it clearly had an intended target that we (at the time) weren’t privy to. The last is reasonably considered wine, but you add nothing to the conversation you came late to. Why suggest the scum posted these messages if you make no follow-up effort to explain why they’d do that or for what end?
Do you believe that suggesting Storyteller might reveal who posted a message to the barn might conflict with the following quote I’m going to leave right here?
And while we’re at it…
Aaaarrrghhhh!
Tex! You can’t say you were wrong about the premise of your vote, but still right about Chucara at the same time!
Vote TexCat.
For the lazy vote after no discussion about Chucara at all.
I disagree, although I believe your motives are (likely) pure. Masons are great at the end game, because scum won’t counter-claim them. If town gets the lynch test right, the game is just about over. To be honest, the only time I’ve seen scum successfully claim mason was when there wasn’t a real mason team in the game. Further, I’d prefer any investigators didn’t waste time confirming masons, since their “point” is to confirm each other.
Now, one warning - it seems that we have an unusually powerful town team so far. Some of our power roles may in fact be scum in disguise. I’d like to suggest that if our team continues to seem too powerful AND one or more masons survive into the late game after they’re revealed, one of them might be a scummer. It’s probably not Diggit, as a scum Diggit would have no reason to fish for his teammates to out themselves - the scum team already knows by virtue of Diggit who they are.
It’s unlikely. Just something I’m on guard for ever since I heard about it winning the game for scum before.
Scum must eventually kill them, as the masons count against the scum win condition and shrink the hiding pool scum have. If town happens to lynch one, they’re likewise confirmed. Early on, scum can “waste” kills on masons to clear them out, if they know who they are. Later on, scum often have to choose between firing at a mason, or clearing out other powers / useful players on their trail / good targets for misinformation kills. They have far more flexibility early on, and less later. That’s why a late mason game can seriously restrict scum play.
By the way, it bothers me how you mention that you’re “stupid” in so many of your posts when you’re obviously not.
Why do you want others to make your case for you? This doesn’t sit right with me in terms of “making a compelling case that will likely net scum and convince others to follow your vote.” It’s not entirely a smudge, but it’s too general. And why limit yourself only to final votes? I had a vote on Chucara for most of the day, for instance; why not call out me?
I completely disagree. We have three fresh bodies and the entirety of Day 1 to review. It’s fair to point out your posts at the time made little effort to find scum, and you can’t support your posts by saying there was nothing else to talk about.
I get it. We just disagree on strategy, is all. I missed your earlier explanation, as I was hurriedly trying to follow along on my phone at work.
That’s a genuine shame, although I get where you’re coming from. Remember that this is all just part of the game, and we’re actually pretty nice people most of the time.
I don’t think you’ve been entirely fair in characterizing their votes.
Vote Fubbleskag
I think scum try to post like they would post as town.
What reactions were you looking for? Did anyone react noticeably? Have you done any followup on players who reacted/didn’t react to your vote for Chucara? If you haven’t, why not?
I don’t believe she did, and further don’t believe she was ever in lynch danger. Of course, by virtue of typing these words, the very atoms of the universe have likely rewritten that thread to make it so, just to prove me wrong.
This is the entirety of your case on Chucara yesterday:
Do you have any additional comments to make about Chucara, or are you still voting for him because of his pancakes vote? There have actually been some interesting cases made for a Chucara lynch, and I find it curious you don’t reference any of them.
When will I learn to copy/paste replies before sending them? WHEN O LORD?
Starting again. Crap, it’s never gonna be as good as the first draft!
OMG. Okay, this? Starts to make sense! For the first time I’m beginning to understand this Mason strategy!!!
So–so if I get you, the idea is that as you say later, Mason reveals are better left for the end because they constitute a larger percentage of players, and thus once they’re claimed, late-playing Townies will have a smaller percentage of Scum players to choose from.
Therefore, by claiming early, Masons put both themselves and the rest of us at a disadvantage, because early on, they’re only a small percentage of the whole pool of players, and so Scum would be wise to kill them off (especially since “wasting” kills isn’t really a thing, except unless they’re worried about the power roles as you say, but power roles are crapshoots; it’s important for Scum to kill off as many Townies as possible since that’s their WinCon.
Am I right, or close? Hot dayum, I think I am! Now I really feel like “Temba, his eyes uncovered!” or whatever it was Darmok said.
Okay, so Diggit, what do you think about this? What’s your counterpoint to this argument?
HALLE-FREAKIN’-LUJAH, I’m on the same page with someone! My death, if it occurs, feels way more freeing.
No but wait, aren’t you contradicting your earlier thesis? Because if Diggit is some kind of scum-mole-acting-as-Mason, then it’s to Scum’s advantage to get the real Masons to claim early, and thus fulfilling the strategy mentioned above.
That said, I’m not accusing Diggit. Firstly, because while the objective part of me is almost appreciative of such a plot–this is the part of me who’d love to have the skills and evil genius to pull off creating such a mechanic (it’s so nefarious it seems like a pizza-setup to me, and that’s a compliment to our current mod)–I’m not sure it’s really likely, because dayum, that’s cold. And secondly, because Diggit doesn’t have to be the Scum-mole in this hypothetical Masonic Triangle. Diggit could have posted that message genuinely, just happening to fall in line with the Scum team’s wishes.
I could go either way. If Diggit is as ignorant as I was (no offense) to the rationale behind the whole raison d’etre behind Masons, then s/he could’ve posted in good faith, just wrongly. Or Diggit could be a daring yet dastardly Scum mole. The sort who might be played by Claude Rains back in the day, or Kevin Spacey / Gene Hackman now. (Geeze, where is Gene Hackman? Sorry for the digression, it just seems like it’s been a while since I’ve heard of him being in a film.)
Well thank you, but honestly, if you read my posts throughout the SDMB, you’d know my self-esteem is pretty much as rare as a Fabrege egg and just as fragile. It takes almost nothing to get me to doubt myself.
…Although the ironic thing is that the post you were quoting (the “wrecking ball” post) wasn’t me ranking on my gameplay for once. I think I’d mentioned that I’d been up for over 24 hours (waaay over.. I ended up going 44 hours without sleep) struggling with a website design – fubbleskag, you’ll be amused to know it involved WordPress, a desperate attempt to customize a theme to match my responsive static website layout for a client; I really have a stumbling block when it comes to WP, argh!). So my kvetching about foggy-headedness was just due to exhaustion, not an inability to grasp the nuances of this game. Frankly I’m astonished I wasn’t posting by just mashing the keyboard with my forehead.
Was anyone talking about the bodies? The only scum people were trying to find was me, or so it seemed. And finding scum among D1 posts seems really hard to do, for the same reason finding scum on D1 is hard to do. At least that’s how it feels to me.
This is why I usually keep quiet until midgame when I have more stuff to look over. I’m really–and I’m sorry if you think this is false modesty but I genuinely don’t see how anyone can think otherwise after playing with me–not very good at assessing people’s motives or the mechanics of different roles.
Me write fairly good, yes. Me not strategize so good. Sometimes my ability to express myself masks a shocking lack of, um, grokkery.
I know, that’s true. I guess I get extra frustrated because I keep trying to play this game and yet I still feel very much as if I’m just as inexperienced as when my jangling spurs first trod on the dusty streets of De’endee. The trouble is the mechanics. They change every game! It’s like I’m walking on a rocky path but the rocks I think are solidly embedded in the ground keep shifting and sending me off-balance. I know that’s the fun of it for many people, figuring out the different creative ways the hosts/mods have crafted and tweaked the game, but I can barely follow a flat-out vanilla game (when I’ve read one). These weirdo games just make me downtrodden and feel I’ll never fit in.
I’ve said this before, but it feels as if I’ve stumbled into a game of Mornington Crescent and you’re all just making this shit up behind my back; meanwhile I’m staring incomprehensibly at a London Underground map and Googling trying in vain to find exactly how the St. Pancras-to-Aldwych Loop Gambit works when stirrups have been declared.
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What reactions were you looking for? Did anyone react noticeably? Have you done any followup on players who reacted/didn’t react to your vote for Chucara? If you haven’t, why not?
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(Ugh, as a side note this is the part that I most regret losing in my internet fail.)
What led me to vote for Chucara, and what I was looking for, were people who had voted for Chucara the day before and were suddenly, noticeably, not voting for Chucara Today. What I found was that there was one, maybe two votes on Chucara–not a big number but a third vote would start putting Chucara a bit in play. Would people start to feel edgy about not repeating their flimsy rationale for voting Chucara on D1? A few did, noticeably Mahaloth and USCDiver, and their votes weren’t much more reasoned than they were Yesterday. Quite honestly I know I’m Town and I think there’s more of a rationale to vote against me than there is Chucara, on paper, anyway. So I’m starting to feel suspicious.
What am I suspicious of? Bussing.
I think Scum are going to bus someone early, get some street cred for themselves and bank it for later. Since Chucara was almost lynched Yesterday, and was still semi-at-risk Today (in 2nd place soon after everyone unvoted Diggit), it’s quite possible that some Scum have put Chucara up for a sacrifice gambit. This way, even when I’m lynched, and Chucara is pretty much inevitably lynched afterward because two town flips when Chucara comes in narrow 2nd place seems like a guaranteed Day 3 lynch to me, if Chucara flips Scum, they’ve at least put themselves on the record as having done some good Scumspotting.
(Well duh, choie, that’s what bussing is all about; how very useful to instruct someone who’s played 304933475 more games than you!)
Dude you are not getting me to read that thread again! I won’t do it!
But I’m pretty sure I was in lynch danger, but it wasn’t because of self-voting, it was because I voted for someone, then in the same postunvoted him/her. (God knows who. I’m sure pizza keeps a chart of these things somewhere in his lair on Skullcrusher Mountain.) My problem was, as it is now, that I tend to post as I think of things, letting y’all see how my mind works things out in public. It’s not a pretty sight, but it’s an honest one. Unfortunately I guess people weren’t so used to someone being that crazily open about being confused, and after I did that, there was a hue and a cry and people were clucking their tongues and clutching their beards and saying things about “what’s to be done about this choie gal?” There was a barrage of J’accuses all up in my face, and I basically got at least to 2nd place, if not tied for 1st, as a result.
Only a subsequent cool-down period, and perhaps an even stupider move on the lynch leader’s part, saved me from the block.
And, btw, I was Town then too. I’ve played three games besides this one; Town twice, Super-Scum (the only one) once. And I have to say it’s probably going to be hard to judge my play as Scum based on Phere, because that was such a weird game, considering I was literally unable to strategize or even talk with anyone, except when asking for rules clarifications or ordering “Phere” (pizza, the mod) to do stuff. So I was all alone and as a newbie, totally improvising how to behave as Scum. Never even felt good about the win, because as everyone complained afterward, they felt it was an unfair game and I was way too overpowered.
WHEW. Okay. So, I think that’s everything. Still not as good as the first draft. But at least I’m typing it in EditPad rather than the damn message board reply form. Not gonna catch me out twice!
I said that they would have been weak votes even on Day 1, which they would have been - but better than a vote for ‘pancakes’ I suppose. I paraphrased for my own entertainment, but I don’t believe I’ve misinterpreted any of the votes.* I still want to hear from these voters to explain, solidify or back-up their vote reasons. (I believe you may have already done this).
also, would you mind explaining how exactly I can be riding a bandwagon while simultaneously not voting?
I did misread one of Mahaloth’s statements, addressed up-thread.
