Three town deaths is a little worse than worrisome I’d say. Perhaps a one-time extra scum kill? Perhaps a backup vig? I wonder why Pizza is the only player to have come back from the dead?
I’d say that the message was not bright red, but wine red. Unfortunately I’m not sure what we can do except lynch Stanislaus and find out. Is there some other way to verify the message?
Well, the author of the message could come forth, but 1) that would be sort of stupid 2) we wouldn’t necessarily believe them anyway and 3) why post an anonymous message and then claim it?
I see no reason at this point not to continue voting for Stanislaus.
Vote Stanislaus
The Redshirts are certainly pulling their weight so far, but our unknown pool is getting kinda small and warm. It better not be pee. :mad:
At this point 5 of us are down, we are probably going to run out of townies if we keep this up. There hasn’t really been anything solid to go on until this point, but can we trust it? Scum can write on the barn too…
I’m not standing up for him at all. I just think we should think about our next move, stay away from infighting and figure this out.
Son of a biscuit!
I had a false claim all set up too, just because, you know, for shits and giggles, I really wanted to try it out. I thought I had more time.
::falls to the ground::
I THOUGHT I HAD MORE TIME!!!
what a world, what a world, what a world.
Ryjae posted 9 times D1 and got 6 votes, claimed vanilla, he posted a little bit of fluff N1 and did not post a single time throughout D2 but turned up dead Dawn D3, this feels like a vig kill or some sort of delayed reveal.#116 Confirms
#187 Makes his infamous “skimming is a scumtell, not” post.
[#220 is voted by me]
#224 Defends comment to me after I called him out on it
[#301 is voted by Cookies]
#448 After an absence, comments on validity of voting lurkers D1, it’s not worth posting if you’re just going to attract votes (2, in his case)
#466 Votes ValSalva for lurking, wonders why I didn’t unvote, comments on being a pitbull, not pinged by anything
#468 Clarifies comment on me
[#505 is voted by Pizza]
#508 Votes Pizza, claims Vanilla town, doesn’t like verbose players leading town
[#514 is voted by Astral]
[#545 is voted by Stanislaus]
[#549 is voted by Suburban]
[#557 is voted by Pleonast]
[#559 is voted by Chucara]
#563 Comments on case against him, defends lurker vote
#567 Comments on being guided and how it hurts town
#659 Night fluff re: gagSilverJan was a lot quieter than usual but doesn’t seem to have been suspected by anyone but me, an unusual choice for NK. If I were a little more paranoid, I’d suspect she was killed to support choie’s claim to towniness, but heh.#138 confirms
#232 Brief comment on Pizza plan, thinks scum will have early advantage
#279 Doesn’t like baseless nominations or editing
#280 Joke-y comment to Pizza
#282 Fluff-y comment to Texcat, likes her links
#351 Votes Chucara for his unaccountable vote, pizza for vote on Red, thanks choie for the compliment
#478 To me, explains how a vote can have no accountability, still likes vote on Chucara, asks Chucara why he thinks scum would jump to vote him
#479 Asks me why I’m voting choie, suspects a grudge
#480 Dislikes lynch the lurker, prodding is better
[#553 I vote her]
#586 Questions my linking Silver with choie and texcat
#590 Is not worked up about my vote, was defending action, asking rhetorical questions
#598 Suspects I’m making a mountain out of a molehill by linking the three
D2
[#712 I revote her]
#723 Comments on Dawn color, looks like we have a SK, comments on messages
#724 Welcomes Pizza back
#761 Votes Diggit for double standard re: masons & Suburban, vote on grammar police
#818 Unvotes Diggit
#819 Asks if Choie and Chucara are Diggit’s co-masons
#820 Asks Choie about self-vote, “only scum do that”
#822 Is astounded that people are voting choie, votes me for thinking women are thick
N2
#937 Comments on Chucara’s demiseEnder was more prolific, but fluffy. D1 disliked a game strategy, felt Pizza was town, but didn’t say much else. D2 took a strong stance on choie initially, then fubbles later, maintained stance and pressure all Day, earning him an omgus vote.#130 confirms
#174 Is ill
#199 Suspects Pizza’s plan could work in theory but not in practice due to lack of trusted leadership
#233 Comments on plan, not so strict as USC makes it out to be, questions and votes Red about multivote plan
#234 Requests official player list
#261 Explains request
#322 To Johnny, comments on lurkers, the plan and how it helps lurkers
#333 To me, in response to my question about his vote on Red, explains personal preference for single vote, disagrees with Red’s strategy to vote 8 players as it’s anti-town, aka scum
[#345 Red votes him]
#357 Asks Red to re-explain stance on multivotes
#366 Does the math, doesn’t agree with stance or strategy
#376 Fluff: math
#382 Is willing to go along with plan
#417 Fluff re: meeko
#452 Another comment on his dislike of multivotes
#457 Fluff: links to vote counting robot
#484 Fluff: comment to meeko
#497 Fluff: ants to hear about Meeko & Fubbs in previous game
#538 Fluff: comments on different forums
#617 Doesn’t think Pizza is scum
N1
#653 Fluff
#711 Fluffy comment about Pizza’s survival rate
#726 Questions Suburban’s hesitance to interpret message, suspects he’s town though and looks forward to doc confirmation
#744 Explains concerns that Suburban may have falsified message
#788 Disagrees with diggit but doesn’t think he’s scum, votes choie based on stanislaus’ case
#793 Asks Diggit if he knows other masons or can access offsite boards
#802 Comments on choie’s self-vote, asks why
#807 Further questioning about self-vote and lack of defense
#846 Defends vote on choie, votes fubbles for complaining but not hunting scum
#892 Explains vote on fubbles, asks why hasn’t voted yet
#903 Will maintain vote on choie
[#905 Choie votes him]
#932 Fluff: self-voting
N2
#940 Fluff: pancakes
I also see no harm in voting Stan and seeing if the barn writing is true.
Vote: Stan
I suspect a least one of those votes was Scum fishing for a Mason based on their interactions with Diggit. Probably Ender based on that WoW, but I haven’t gone back to look at the exchanges in detail and don’t really see a need to at this point anyway.
The Ryjae kill is also interesting given his lack of participation Yesterday. It is common for lurkers to be vigged, but our Town Vig is dead. There is always the chance we have more than one or someone else has “stolen” the role somehow.
What the frakkin’ frak?
Well, this sucks. I suppose we should be relieved this time it was all vanillas, if we have to be some many damn victims, but still, this is going to be one tight game if we’re already down five Town after two Nights.
I’m going to try another angle. It just now occured to me to look at the methods of all the deaths. Yes, this is “just” the narrative, and yes, it’s not supposed to mean anything. But I’m going to share my thoughts on this subject once, just once, and if you guys can tell me to shut up and that it doesn’t mean anything, well, I’ll shut up. I’m not going to push my case for cohesive, meaningful, clue-filled narrative if that’s not the way this game is played. All that got me was trouble.
So here goes.
Starting with Night Two’s dead. I don’t know why I didn’t see this before, and yeah, probably you guys already discussed it and I’ve just missed it because I apparently have short-term amnesia. Please don’t yell at me.
First Val Salva’s body is described as unidentifiable. Normally I’d assume Werewolf, but the crow’s been picking at it, so all bets are off. Now, others have said it’s only “likely” that she was killed by our vig. But I just realized (in looking back at the post-Night comments) that no one mentioned the obvious clue that this was pretty definitely our vig. (And that includes me.)
Pleonast’s method of death isn’t described at all, intriguingly. But the text says that “Clutched between his fingers is a very large knife, with blood clotted and dried along the blade.”
So this certainly indicates that Pleonast killed someone with his knife. Since the only dead body we’ve got is Val Salva, it sounds like proof positive that vigilante Pleo killed Val. Q.E.D., if you ask me.
“But we already figured that,” some will kvetch. “That’s you skimming again, choie!” Well, no. Reading that portion of the thread reveals that many people kept saying probably. And more importantly, no one used the bloody knife as a reason for assuming Pleo was Val’s killer.
Why am I harping on this? Because I think this is an indication that the narrative is NOT just “generic color” as everyone’s been trying to convince me. At least as far as methods of death are concerned, I think story is indeed putting clues out there. And I think it’s foolish to ignore them. I mean, what’s the fun of being a storyteller/moderator if you can’t impart some actual useful information in your narrative?
Back to Night 2. All the narrator says about Pleo’s death is a description of his body as “what’s left of Pleonast.” Like the mutilated body from last Night, this does seem to suggest a werewolf attack. Maybe.
So our vig Pleo definitely killed Val in error (presumably choosing her due to low posting count, figured if she turned out to be Town, at least he wouldn’t be killing someone who was able to contribute to the game much). Meanwhile, a werewolf probably killed Pleo.
What about the missing body? We already know the two possible theories:
Suburban is telling the truth, and someone apparently protected him, or blocked the Serial Killer from attacking him.
Suburban is the SK, strategically chose not to kill anyone that Night, and faked the note, because he knew a doctor/blocker role is either a) no one, or b) not going to be reckless enough to out him/herself on the second Day, and thus won’t call Suburban’s bluff, not yet. There’s also option c) where it was a gamble to see if the Doctor would call his bluff, if there’s any kind of weird WinCon where his fortune is aligned with Scum (to the contrary of what was written on the wall about the “wolf’s” (sic) not being able to kill the SK).
Okay enough about the other Night. Now to the all-important last Night:
Again, looking at the description, the body that’s mutilated sounds like a werewolf attack. Which I’m assuming was Silver Jan, unless there’s no relationship between the color and the order in which the bodies were listed.
Werewolves don’t shoot or club people. They gobble 'em up. Unless these are really weird werewolves. Or unless the game’s use of werewolves vs. Mafia as baddies means nothing. Which is possible. I’ve certainly been told time and time again that the color is meaningless. But for this post, and this post only, I’m going to analyze it, because maybe, just maybe, storyteller isn’t being random and intends to impart some information with these descriptions. Feel free to ignore or laugh me down as usual.
So the person shot in the back of the head sounds like the assassin/SK. Again, if there’s a connection to the listing order, that’s RyJae.
The head caved in? Not a clue. Someone else with some kind of attacking power? Is there any kind of (hopefully) town power role that’s able to kill someone at Night other than a vig? Could there be a replacement Vig? (This is me just hoping against hope it wasn’t a Werewolf with a second extra kill. I suppose that’s likely but oy, that is a scary possibility. And besides, I just don’t think a shovel or whatever indicates a Werewolf.)
Anyway. That’s what I’m taking from the activity last Night. There’s some other killing role, or as suggested, someone has an extra kill one Night, which seems to prove my fears correct that the fact that we seem to have more info than Town usually gets is a scary implication that Scum also has more power than they usually have.
And that’s my WoW for Today. I promise that’s all the analysis of the color I’m gonna do unless anyone else thinks this is a worthwhile topic. The End.
I should’ve mentioned about the barn writing. I have no idea what to think of it and, considering the agita I got over it last time, I’m not going to concentrate on it too much. I don’t understand why anyone who’s really a werewolf would write in all-red, nor do I understand why anyone who’s Town would write in all-red. It’s bonkers. How does writing in the traditional color of Evil Scum make an accusation of Stanislaus more believable? Is it a misguided Townie who wanted to indicate Stanislaus’s evilosity by painting the message in red? That’s pretty weird to me.
The only thing that makes sense to me is a double-bluff. Stanislaus, being Scum, wrote on the wall himself in red, hoping it would be discounted due to the evil coloring. (Or someone trying to protect an important Scum.) Of course, then there’s a triple-bluff. Someone is framing him and wants us to leap to this very conclusion.
Ugh. It’s like one of those riddles where you come up to a gate guarded by two men, one of whom tells the truth, the other always lies. You’re supposed to come up with a question that helps you figure out which is which. Here we don’t even get to ask the Barn-writer a question.
So I have no idea what this means about Stanislaus.
But it seems marginally more likely that Stanislaus is Scum and either he or a fellow Werewolf wants us to think he’s being framed.
vote Stanislaus
(And it just suddenly occurs to me that the voting color conventions used in Mafia games are backwards. If red always indicates scum, why do we color our votes for lynching in blue? This is totaly OOG meta unimportant question and is NOT ME QUESTIONING ANYTHING IN THIS PARTICULAR GAME okay? Just want to make that clear as crystal. It just bugs me, aesthetically speaking. I really am OCD when it comes to continuity and consistency, what can I say?)
It looks feasible, taking a look at Stanislaus: an early vote on Babale which he kept through to D2, some mechanics/strategy discussion, defense of vote, a drop in participation in D2, votes choie, misses EoD. I can see a scummy Stanislaus playing like this, latch onto an early case, defend it till death, have some side discussions on strategy to keep up appearances, make some weak accusations echoing others.
Vote Stanislaus
Flipping scum would go a long way towards clearing Babale, Cookies and choie.#141 Confirms
#146 Fluff: re wolves
#218 Comments on multi-voting, dislikes it as it allows scum to dodge accountability
#222 Comments on plan, agrees with basic idea, finds it impractical and questions value of phase 1
#236 Lists pros and cons of plan, proceeds to nominate Babale, thinks he was over justifying a simple mistake
[301 Cookies votes him]
#352 Questions Cookies’ continued vote after Wombat’s clarification, votes Cookies
#353 To Pleo, disagrees on value of multivotes, especially on multiple lynch leaders
#363 Oog to USC
#364 Further discussion on value of multivote
#530 Disagrees with Pizza’s strategy to ensure a gap between top two candidates
#539 Comments on nominees: faint scum lean on Chucara, Pizza is over-enthusiastic, votes Ryjae for skimming comment, gives benefit of doubt to noobs
#545 Corrects vote code
#616 Unvotes Cookies (she misinterpreted case) and Ryjae (for admitting to lurking) to leave single vote on Babale, doesn’t see case on Pizza or Chucara
N1
#652 Fluff: bye pizza
#670 Fluff: movies
D2
#746 Brief comment on barn messages
#786 Votes Babale (from D1), votes choie (for trivia posts, not voting)
#790 Corrects Johnny’s vote count
[#816 Cookies re-votes him]
#839 To Cookies, defends vote on Babale
#884 Disagrees with fubbles’ statement that his vote is weak
N2
#945 Missed EoD
I’m voting Stan once I’m not mobile. Having a terrible time coding on taps tapatalk. We have to find out if the barn is accurate.
choie, color is color, lets just leave it at that. The mod shouldn’t be giving information out that way (although the bit about Stanilaus pulling a grey hair gave me pause).
Also, please re-read the rule post where storyteller made it very clear that any third party players won independent of either Town or Scum.
This is not about the barn being accurate. Any player can post any 10 word message to the barn. This is drinking the wine that some anonymous player has laid out for us - do you believe an untraceable message from an anonymous player which claims that another player is scum, but not the alpha*? Or is that what you meant about the [message left on the] barn being accurate?
I’m Town.
Don’t know what more to say really. Certainly at this stage in the Day, I’m not going to go into detail about my role, because this smells to me like a fishing attempt.
I duly note that Cookies has total faith in the Barn message. I have to say, I think there’s a little room for doubt.
… on preview - for everone who sees no harm in finding out if the writing is true; I can think of one downside.
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It looks feasible, taking a look at Stanislaus: an early vote on Babale which he kept through to D2, some mechanics/strategy discussion, defense of vote, a drop in participation in D2, votes choie, misses EoD. I can see a scummy Stanislaus playing like this, latch onto an early case, defend it till death, have some side discussions on strategy to keep up appearances, make some weak accusations echoing others. /quote]
There’s a lot of misrepresentation here., particularly the bolded part.
I’ve made original cases on Babale, Cookies and choie. I know you voted for choie before I did, but go back and read my D2 case against her. It is not, in any way, a weak accusation echoing you. It was detailed, referenced behaviours you’d overlooked and far from being weak, kicked off a serious attempt to get her lynched. But she narrowly skated.
Lo and behold, today I’m being set up for a lynch. And there’s a few people who aren’t even hesitating to accept info that has to be questionable by its very nature.
The barn message merely reinforces my votes on you for the past two days. Am I being pandered to and led astray? Possibly. But considering I was pretty much the only person voting for you the past couple of days, I’m not sure what the long con motivation would be.
Sorry, I may be guilty of confirmation bias - I was looking to see whether the accusation stood up to a review.
I was referring to your comment on Chucara in #539.
Even I can figure that one out. You could be scum, and you could be the one writing the message. Why would a hypothetical scum version of you have it in for Stanislaus? God knows.
Not saying it’s true. Not saying anything is true. And I’m fulfilling my word re: not bringing up color again.
Although I’ll tell you this. If somehow, someway, I ever create a game? Y’all better freakin’ read the color carefully. I don’t write mysteries without clues. My online fiction serial’s got plot twists that were foreshadowed in the first year, and it’s 15 years old now. 
I meant the long con of someone else writing the message if Stan is Town. Thinking that I may have written is perfectly reasonable. Wrong, but reasonable.