Mafia - Game in progress [Edited title]

[Astral_Rejection]

@TexCat

vote: Astral
His insistence that the barn message cannot be trusted until the writer claims it, seems like a scum ploy to out the investigator.

1. I could not be more explicit in saying I believe the message is fake, and will not believe it. Most likely, even if someone does claim it, I’m going to have another “dubious” smiley ready to go.

2. I believe my insistance has been on signing your barn messages so that if you die, we can link them to you. I never once advocated for someone to claim their messages. What specifically do you object to in that advice? Is this primarily an OMGUS vote because I’m voting for you?

[Mahaloth]

@Astral_Rejection

1. I could not be more explicit in saying I believe the message is fake, and will not believe it.

If you explained your reasonings, forgive me, I must have missed it. Why don’t you believe it? It’s a bold move and I think too bold to be fake. Or at least way more likely to be real than fake.

[TexCat]

@Astral_Rejection

1. I could not be more explicit in saying I believe the message is fake, and will not believe it. Most likely, even if someone does claim it, I’m going to have another “dubious” smiley ready to go.

2. I believe my insistance has been on signing your barn messages so that if you die, we can link them to you. I never once advocated for someone to claim their messages. What specifically do you object to in that advice? Is this primarily an OMGUS vote because I’m voting for you?

I don’t disagree with your advice to sign your barn messages, but it’s obviously too late for whoever left the message last night to sign it. And would you have believed it if it had been signed – The Cop? Couldn’t the scum just as easily signed it The Cop as the actual investigator? I just don’t understand why you are so sure that scum sent it. It smells like PIS to me, like you know the scum sent it and are going to try to take huge town cred when Stanislaus flips town. And are trying to get the investigator to disclaim it in the bargain.

[LightFoot]

@TexCat

I don’t disagree with your advice to sign your barn messages, but it’s obviously too late for whoever left the message last night to sign it. And would you have believed it if it had been signed – The Cop? Couldn’t the scum just as easily signed it The Cop as the actual investigator? I just don’t understand why you are so sure that scum sent it. It smells like PIS to me, like you know the scum sent it and are going to try to take huge town cred when Stanislaus flips town. And are trying to get the investigator to disclaim it in the bargain.

The way I read his #2 is IF the message were signed- with a character name- when/if that character name was revealed we’d THEN know who sent the message ( but I could be incorrect here)

[fubbleskag]

@GuiriEnEspana

@ fubbleskag, what conclusion did you come to from your review of Stanislaus’ posts?

the very abbreviated notes of my review:

218 - multi-voting (against for lynching)
222 - pizza’s plan (isn’t this just ‘playing mafia’?)
236 - pizza’s plan (pros and cons); VOTE BABALE (over-explanation of mistake)
352 - VOTE COOKIES (voting him for voting Babale)
353 - multi-voting
363 - OOG
364 - multi-voting
530 - pizza’s plan
539 - Chucara (random D1 vote = null tell; faint scum lean); ATPG (believes genuine); VOTE RYJAE (“skimming is a scum tell, except when I do it”)
545 - places vote from 539 officially
616 - UNVOTE COOKIES, UNVOTE RYJAE (Babale is preferred lynch candidate)
652 - ATPG condolences (scum gloat?)
670 - fluff
746 - barn messages (worry about it later)
786 - VOTE BABALE (carry-over); VOTE CHOIE (lengthy - posting a lot, no cases, pre-emptive defense)
790 - vote count correction
839 - defends against case by Cookies
884 - defends vote against Choie
945 - fluff
975 - claim town
976 - defends against case by Guiri

nothing here pinging me enough for a vote, so I’m not comfortable putting one up over an anonymous message.

[Meeko]

@GuiriEnEspana

@ Meeko, do you consider the barn some sort of potato? Do you have reason to believe the message is false?

Do you have reason to believe the message is true?

[GuiriEnEspana]

@fubbleskag

nothing here pinging me enough for a vote, so I’m not comfortable putting one up over an anonymous message.

For some reason I am so not surprised by this conclusion. Did you agree that Texcat would go 100% pro-lynch, you’d do the opposite, and choie would flip-flop, to distance yourselves once Stanislaus flips scum?

Vote fubbleskag
Vote choie
Vote TexCat
Vote Mahaloth

@Meeko

Do you have reason to believe the message is true?

No, but I’m not going to ignore it completely. I didn’t jump to the conclusion that it was 100% true nor 100% false, there’s a chance it’s true and after taking a look at Stanislaus’ posts so far in the game, I think he’s a good lynch candidate. His defense has been to deny the accusation (of course), accuse me of misrepresenting him, and then promptly disappear - no vote, no claim.

Now I ask myself if a cop intentionally left the message anonymous, to see how people react. A cop with a scum result on N1 and presumably another result after last Night has already done a great job and may be willing to claim if needed but could be content to just sit back and see how people react to the message.

[gnarlycharlie]

i’m caught up as much as i think i possibly can. the tablet is not working for me (at least for forums) so i’m going to the time-tested internet cafe.

i was planning to vote Ryjae for his reasoning on voting for **Pizza **but that’s moot now.

some thoughts:

1. there may be a second Town vigilante. the color says Pleo is a not the vig. that could explain the extra kills.

2. the barn message about Stanislaus obviously can’t be verified so i’m suspicious of those voting for him based solely on the message. also, he was more vocal and helpful when he was scum so i’m leaning Town on him at the moment.

3. scum, in general, play safe and don’t make “blatantly” anti-town posts so those who have made anti-town posts i usually think are Town.

that said:

Vote Babale - a continuation of my D1 vote for him

Vote Dizzymrslizzy for her vote on Stanislaus solely on the basis of the message on the barn

Vote Lightfoot for not being her usual misunderstood townie self

Vote Meeko for NOT being Meeko

Vote GuiriEnEspana for also not being himself, asking questions (he has belatedly only) and keep pressing and biting like a dog with a bone

[fubbleskag]

unofficial vote count - did I miss anyone?

Stanislaus [5]: Cookies (963), Dizzy (967), [del]choie (970)[/del], Guiri (971), Mahaloth (982), TexCat (1009)
TexCat [3]: Astral Rejection (1032), Cookies (1043), Guiri (1067)
Dizzy [3]: Astral Rejection (1032), Cookies (1043), gnarlycharlie (1068)
choie [2]: fubbleskag (1042), Guiri (1067)
Mahaloth [2]: Cookies (1043), Guiri (1067)
wombat99 [1]: fubbleskag (1016)
Johnny Bravo [1]: Cookies (1043)
Astral Rejection [1]: TexCat (1059)
Cookies [1]: TexCat (1059)
fubbleskag [1]: Guiri (1067)
Babale [1]: gnarlycharlie (1068)
Lightfoot [1]: gnarlycharlie (1068)
Meeko [1]: gnarlycharlie (1068)
Guiri [1]: gnarlycharlie (1068)

ETA: for some reason I’m thinking there’s a shortcut to linking the post #s to the posts but can’t remember it?

[MHaye]

fubbleskag, I use the “post” tag.

[noparse][post=15992973]post 1068[/post][/noparse] => [post=15992973]post 1068[/post], which is the post immediately before yours.

You can get the post ID by quoting the post, which gives the post ID after the poster name, or by right-clicking the underlined post number at the top right of the thread and choosing "copy link location (or whatever your browser uses for the action of copying the full post URL to the clipboard) and edit the URL down to the post ID.

It saves character count in post and (more to the point) in sigs. It also loads more than just the single post, so you can scroll up and down to get the immediate context.

[Astral_Rejection]

@Mahaloth

If you explained your reasonings, forgive me, I must have missed it. Why don’t you believe it? It’s a bold move and I think too bold to be fake. Or at least way more likely to be real than fake.

You can find my reasoning here. Also, I know it’s my move on Letterpress, I’ll do that soon!

@TexCat

And would you have believed it if it had been signed – The Cop? Couldn’t the scum just as easily signed it The Cop as the actual investigator? I just don’t understand why you are so sure that scum sent it.

No, I specifically said it should be signed with your role name, which scum are unlikely to know. It’s fair to accuse me of PIS in all of this, but at least get my posts right.

[DiggitCamara]

Sorry for not being very participatory toDay but I was only sporadically online during the weekend.

**Stanislaus and the Barn Message-If it’s a Scum ploy, it’s doomed to be very short lived. I don’t think the Investigator should have wasted his/her Barn Message but… who am I to talk?

Vote Stanislaus

[Astral_Rejection]

Hey peeps what’re voting Stan. If you’re absolutely determined to lynch him, can you at least make a second case on someone else?

[DiggitCamara]

@choie

(snip)
First Val Salva’s body is described as unidentifiable. Normally I’d assume Werewolf, but the crow’s been picking at it, so all bets are off. Now, others have said it’s only “likely” that she was killed by our vig. But I just realized (in looking back at the post-Night comments) that no one mentioned the obvious clue that this was pretty definitely our vig. (And that includes me.)

Pleonast’s method of death isn’t described at all, intriguingly. But the text says that “Clutched between his fingers is a very large knife, with blood clotted and dried along the blade.”

(snipped)

@storyteller0910

(snip)

VAL SALVA
Says nothing, because she’s dead.

Val Salva, a Peasant Redshirt, has been Night killed.

ASTRAL REJECTION
Look, over there, it’s another one!

The crowd hurries over to a small cottage near the tavern. Outside there is a heavy wooden table, and the remnants of a sheep, quite dead, sit upon it. Slumped against the table is what’s left of a large, sweaty man in a white, stained apron. Clutched between his fingers is a very large knife, with blood clotted and dried along the blade.

Pleonast, who was the Butcher, a Town Vigilante, has also been Night killed.

(snipped)

choie and the Narrator–More and more, choie’s endless comments about the significance of the narration make me see her in scummy red. Especially when the comment is strangely divergent from the actual narration. Case in point: where is** Val Salva**'s body described as unidentifiable? Why single out Pleonast’s method of death when, actually, neither of Night One’s victims mode of death has been described at all?

Vote choie

[Astral_Rejection]

Votes go in blue.

[DiggitCamara]

Vote choie

I *swear *one of these Days I’ll get it right.

[GuiriEnEspana]

@gnarlycharlie

Vote GuiriEnEspana for also not being himself, asking questions (he has belatedly only) and keep pressing and biting like a dog with a bone

Just for clarity, are you voting me for not asking questions and for not biting like a dog? Or because I am asking questions and biting like a dog?

[Suburban_Plankton]

@fubbleskag

is some type of ‘poisoner’ role common in a standard setup?

I wouldn’t call it 'common, but it’s certainly not unheard of. I don’t personally see any evidence suggesting such a role here, but I wouldn’t count it out completely.

@fubbleskag

is it generally recommended that we let our investigator pick/choose their targets themselves, or discuss potential targets for them?

Discussion is fine, but I think the general consensus is that Investigators pick their own targets. At least, that’s my position.

@TexCat

Last Night, Night 2, when the barn writer submitted the message, the investigator would presumably only have 1 result from Night 1. I don’t understand all this confusion about a 2nd investigation.

Duh…

In that light, I’m even less confident that the message is genuine. It seems to require two pieces of knowledge (“Stanislaus is a Wolf” and “Stanislaus is not an Alpha Wolf”), but I see only one opportunity to have acquired them.

[Suburban_Plankton]

@choie

OTOH that seems like such an elementary giveaway that I don’t know if it means anything. I’ll just ask: Suburban, why did you waste an unvote on a guy with only one vote on him?

Quite frankly, I don’t recall what my thought process was almost 2 weeks ago, but based on what I wrote in that post, I think it was something like this:

I had accused Pleonast of being Scum and trying to save Pizza, who I also thought was Scum. Pleo pointed out that if he were trying to save Pizza, he wouldn’t also be voting for him. That sorta ruined my hypothesis, and since that’s the only reason I was voting Pleo in the first place, I unvoted.

I think the number of votes on **Pleonast **at the time is completely irrelevant. I don’t consider it a “wasted” unvote. Why do you?

[LightFoot]

@Suburban_Plankton

~~snipped ~~
In that light, I’m even less confident that the message is genuine. It seems to require two pieces of knowledge (“Stanislaus is a Wolf” and “Stanislaus is not an Alpha Wolf”), but I see only one opportunity to have acquired them.

I mentioned this earlier..

The only way to get a Wolf positive result is IF they are not the Alpha

( but why was it mentioned at all? )