choie, I’m not dismissing what you say, Im trying to convince you that you are looking in the wrong place to find scum, but if it makes you feel better I’ll play along with you. Please analyze the Dusk and Dawn color posts and tell us how that helps us identify who the Scum players are…
on my way out for a triple-date, hope to do some more reading when the wife and I settle down for tv-at-bedtime later, but first:
it’s easy enough to write-off the defensive and self-deprecating aspects to some degree as a quirk of her personality / play-style, but I feel like there’s a constant (and growing) tone of “me vs. all of you” in choie’s posts. I’m thinking there’s a good chance she’s our 3rd party.
vote choie
(I’m willing to lift this in favour of a scum-lynch, or if there’s a compelling reason not to lynch a 3rd party.)
Ok, yesterday I said I’d go back and look at the people who voted for Diggit prior to his Mason claim if no one came around to counter claim him. As no one has, I have looked and in the spirit of multi-voting, and in spite of Silver Jan having voted him and flipping Town, I am still inclined to believe his claim and inclined to think that there is scum in those who voted for him.
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Vote Mahaloth
Vote TexCat
Vote DizzyLizzy
Vote Johnny Bravo**
So… you think they’re all scum? Could you elaborate a little further on which, in particular, you’d like to see lynched?
@ fubbleskag, what conclusion did you come to from your review of Stanislaus’ posts?
@ Stanislaus, if you plan to claim something, please do it sooner rather than later
@ Anyone, I notice that Pleo was shown as “a town vigilante”, and with Ryjae’s death toDay, I suspect there may be either a second vig or a back-up vig, please consider killing choie, TexCat or mahaloth
@ Meeko, do you consider the barn some sort of potato? Do you have reason to believe the message is false?
@ Choie, it’s been pointed out that a cop would only have had a single result to post, will you devote Stanislaus?
@ Astral, I’m thinking the “but not the alpha wolf” actually gives weight to the message, it’s a bit like the message about the SK needing to stay alive, for some reason the cop has extra info and wanted to share that. I’ll admit I don’t see why it wasn’t signed - maybe the role name was more than 2 words?
I think they’re each more likely to be scum than anyone else on the field of play, other than Stanislaus, which is enough for some multi-votes in my book. Stanislaus would be my first choice if I have to rank them. Are we ranking multi-votes now?
Another possibility: per the rules, there could more than one serial killer.
Also…
Sure, but would the name be more than six words? “Stanislaus wolf, not alpha - My ridiculously long role name here.”
It’s inexcusable not to sign your barn message if you want us to trust it. So I won’t.
You’re responsible and accountable for all of your votes. Right now, you’re saying “just lynch any of these five, I don’t care which, based on circumstantial evidence that there might be scum on the diggit wagon, but especially Stanislaus, the guy who has nothing to do with the diggit wagon.” You can imagine why I might consider these votes a little less persuasive than a more focused case.
That wasn’t fair of me. You do actually have a reason to vote for Stanislaus in another post, I just disagree with it.
You’re implying that I’m trying not to be accountable for my votes, which is not the case. You also seem to disagree with my analysis that scum would be tempted to opportunistically jump on a wagon building on a Town Mason advocating a novel/unpopular idea. I think that logic is sound, and there are 4 players who are still alive who’s behavior fit into that equation for hunting scum. We have the ability to cast more than one vote, so I’m voting according to my analysis of that particular equation.
Are you disinclined to believe Diggit? Do you think my logic as to scum motivation is invalid?
No, and no. What I’m contesting is how you threw out four votes without trying to figure out which of them you truly believe to be scum, as I mentioned here:
As I’ve already said, assuming there is an Alpha Wolf, I would not expect a Town Investigator to be able to see through the obfuscating nature of Godfather/Alpha-ness. But a Third Party Investigator is a different ball of wax, who would probably not be inclined to sign their note in case there is a name-investigator or something. In that case the question would be whether or not to give any credence to any information that a possibly win-stealing third party might put on the table.
I’m at least inclined to consider the possibility that the holder of such a role might choose to share whatever they get as an investigation result, or lie about them, so long as it focuses attention away from them. You also seem to be risking throwing the baby out with the bathwater and I don’t see how it is helpful to put blinders on during analysis.
I think those 4 players are about equal in potential scummitude at this point, or I would have elaborated.
Also, Astral, what about my case against Stanislaus don’t you agree with? Do you think Babale is scum who was trying to sew paranoia and confusion about whether The Barn can truly be used anonymously? Do you think it is a good idea to, as a policy that Stanislaus apparently has, to stay committed to the votes you had placed from the previous Day for no other reason than because you want to stay consistent?
I was more unclear than I wanted to be. I’m referring only to voting for Stanislaus on the say-so of the barn message, not your case on the whole. I was making a general point about people jumping onto the Stanislaus wagon, and threw you in because you were repeating a vote based partially on it as well. I did note I didn’t find you scummy for it, in part because you’ve been pushing Stan for a while now, but I didn’t express that at all.
Related to what you’re saying, I’ve had low-grade suspicions of Babale since Day 1, but I haven’t looked into him as much as I wanted to.
I doubt Storyteller has created a third-party role with powers beneficial to town, when all third parties are win-stealing and cannot align with town.
Short of someone saying “I wrote that message, and I’m ”, my natural inclination is to distrust all such messages. I’ve outlined why I find this one in particular to be fake up-thread. I personally believe we shouldn’t act on any messages until we can verify them; hence the need for signing. If that message came from the cop, and the cop had signed it “Grand Poobah of Seein’ Stuff”, and later he is nightkilled, we can trust the message. As it is, I’d prefer discarding it entirely.
Fair enough.
Incidentally: “Grand Poobah of Seein’ Stuff” would be an awesome role name.
Continuing from this post
And my previous thoughts that the barn message D1 was possibly a Scum feeling pressure
Granted I was wrong about ** chuc ** but I still think there is Scum in that pool
** Babale ** was in the top listed D1
** Stan ** did put some pressure on ** babale ** AND it didn’t appear that he was going to let up
Also
** Stan’s ** comment about the barn writings when he voted ** choie **
Scum could very well have decided that that would be a perfect player to target with a message on the barn.
And as I mentioned before- if – for some reason we don’t lynch ** Stan ** this Day—Scum will feel ‘ safer’ knowing that an investigator is Very Likely to investigate ** Stan ** this Night- which could also create a visit fest of watcher/tracker types to peep that way too
It’s a perfect storm for Scum . ( unless I’m the only one that sees my reasoning )
I can also see where it * could * be a true investigation- but the last bit “ is not alpha” would be obvious to a Town investigator ( because they got the result) – so why post it?
- I was going to vote in this space but I don’t want a poke and hope vote in appearance- I’ll return with a proper cases *
[sub] names I can remember how to spell are less likely to get short cutted- no offense intended [/sub]
I’m an idiot. Ignore all of my posts about the possibility of a Third Party investigator, as they would only make sense if the note had stated ‘Stan is Town, and not the Alpha Wolf’. The addition of that information like a second piece of evidence vs an inference (that a Stan wolf could not be Alpha if a wolf result was returned at all) had me discombobulated.
I’m still not prepared to dismiss the note outright though, and Stan is still my top lynch candidate, especially the longer he maintains basically radio silence. It is possible that we’re dealing with a newer player in an Tow Investigator role who may gotten lucky and excited and may not have thought things through in the seasoned pedantic detail that some of us veteran players may have used in composing the message were we in his/her position.
And FOS on you all for not calling me out on my batshit crazy ramblings when I have them. :mad:
**vote: Astral **
His insistence that the barn message cannot be trusted until the writer claims it, seems like a scum ploy to out the investigator.
**vote: Cookies **
This is mostly an OMGUS vote, but I hate the way she shotgun voted all of the Diggit voters without regard to their reasons for voting.
And before anyone yells at me for possibly narrowing the pool for scum to look for a newbie Investigator, a crafty veteran could be trying to disguise themselves as a newbie. Anyway, I’m still willing to consider the possibility that the result is valid.