That said ( typed ) I’m clueless to the current vote count and the proposed EOD
I know the wagon is leading the parade of course but the rest?
OK, then find your own way to keep track or don’t keep track at all. But don’t use it as an excuse for not playing well.
You know what, I’m sorry, that came across way meaner than I intended. You know what, I’m keeping track with Days and Nights, as well a few other useful links so I’ll just publish them in my signature. I’ll show my signature occasionally if I remember, but you can always click on my User Profile to see the links. If I forget to update one in a timely manner, just let me know.
I use chrome and have sync enabled so my bookmarks follow me to all my devices. Pretty sure there’s something similar available for all major browsers these days. I’m planning to include day/night options in the first version of my mafia toolbar rewrite. That will be a chrome only thing though.
Um, you have a scum board link in your signature, USC - something you wanna tell us? lol
ETA, well played sir, well played.
This is gonna be the last I have to say about The Stanislaus Situation (great movie title?). The way I see it, there are three possibilities about Stanislaus, and three for the note’s origin. He’s scum, town, or third party, and the note is from scum, town, or third party. So, let’s consider each option:
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Stanislaus is scum and the note comes from scum. I find this extremely unlikely. Even if we didn’t jump at the chance to lynch him, this doesn’t then clear him in our minds. There’s no gain, and huge risk.
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Stanislaus is scum and the note comes from third-party. To what end? Why do this? It doesn’t help the third-party directly, and only marginally increases their chance of surviving to end-game. They can’t fake an investigator role, as the real one will either counter-claim them or prove them wrong via the cop’s death reveal.
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Stanislaus is scum, and the note comes from town. Hopefully, that townie is the cop. Why didn’t they sign it like Pleonast? Why the oddity about the Alpha thing, when town shouldn’t be able to tell? But, even if it’s legit, we can’t at this juncture prove that. Stan being town is just as likely based on our current information. So wouldn’t the prudent thing be to table Stanislaus’ lynch until an investigator taks credit for that message or turns up dead? That’s the moment we have to make a decision. (For a discussion of a scum Stan’s potential threat to town, see bottom of this post.)
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Stanislaus is third-party, and the note comes from scum. We shouldn’t be doing their bidding, and we have no idea if third-parties have a bulletproof quality that protects them from one or more kill attempts. In Evil Dead 2, I had a power that forced my target to pick someone on their lynch wagon for death if they were lynched on the following day. What if Scum applied a similar power to Stan?
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Stanislaus is third-party, and the note is from third-party. Again, why are we doing their bidding? And why would the second third party do this, if there is one?
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Stanislaus is third-party, and the note is from town. Why are they lying? Stan would theoretically not return a “wolf” result.
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Stanislaus is town, and the note is from scum. This one is most obvious to me. Knock out a town player at the cost of a barn message. Waste a day with little scum hunting. It’s beautiful in its simplicity. And, if they have the ability I had in Evil Dead 2, they can bank on a second dead townie thrown in for good measure.
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Stanislaus is town, and the note is from third-party. Little gain, waste of a message. Same as all the potential third-party notes. Why would they do this?
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Stanislaus is town, and the note is from town. Extremely unlikely. Unless there’s some hinkiness in how the power works, a cop shouldn’t return “wolf” for a town player, and Stan’s PM doesn’t say he’s a miller.
Of these possibilities, I think 7 is the most obvious. And if they have the power I had, the point of this becomes even more obvious. Here’s the power, for the record:
So, given all of the writing up above, what do I recommend? Waiting. At least one day, maybe until the investigator claims or turns up dead. At the very least, we’d remove my fears about another “paranoia” power being in this game.
Now, for the discussion about the potential risk of leaving a scummy Stan alive. Per the rules, we know that “Scum to have access to a Godfather, role blocker, and investigator” plus whatever else Storyteller has thrown in. A godfather is out, as if the investigation was real, he’s not that. Roleblocker is worrying, but scum are probably still shooting blindly at this point. The investigator could be bad, but that’s a crapshoot too, and I believe the benefits of waiting outweigh giving scum another investigation. I can’t plan for whatever else scum might have, but if they have Paranoia like above, they likely have a teammate who can use a variety of one-time powers.
So… thoughts? Did I miss anything obvious? Hopefully, have I swayed at least one person? That would make this whole post worth typing out. 
Since I’ve referenced my Evil Dead 2 powers twice now, I might as well post them all.
POWERS:
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You may meet with your fellow Deadites at the URL given above, and may talk there about any subject by Day or by Night.
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If you wish, you may execute the Scum kill on any given Night during which you do not use any of your special powers (see below).
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You have a number of powers designed to confuse, frustrate, and deceive your enemies. Below is a list of the powers from which you may choose, each of which may be used only once.
A.Black Mist - Cast this spell on any player and when that player dies, public revelation of his/her role and alignment will be delayed by a full Day/Night Cycle.
B. Blink - This spell is used in conjunction with the regular Scum kill. It allows the perpetrator of the kill to execute the kill at the conclusion of the following Day rather than at Night, in effect making it impossible for that kill to be affected or observed by Night powers. This will work even if the perpetrator of the kill is Night killed or lynched the following Day (or if you are).
C. Gossip - Allows you to deliver a message of up to ten words in length, which you may choose to either appear publicly (it will appear in the Dawn color as letters made of fire, floating in the air in the common room) or as an anonymous private message to a player of your choice.
D. Paranoia - This spell must be targeted against a player who is NOT part of the Scum collective. It will engender in its target a fierce, violent sense that (s)he is being targeted by a vast and dangerous conspiracy. If that player is lynched on the Day immediately following the use of this spell, (s)he will be afforded a bonus kill which (s)he must use to kill a player of his/her choice who has voted for him/her.
E. Confusion - This spell must be cast at Night. On the following Day, you may place as many as two dummy votes for a player of your choice. These votes will not count in any substantive way, and will vanish immediately prior to the lynch deadline for the Day, but they will appear in all vote counts throughout the Day.
F. Invisibility - This spell will render its target immune to all watching/tracking powers for the Night on which it is cast. You may use this on yourself if you wish.
Stop me if you’ve heard this one. 
So if this hypothetical is what happened, and the Alpha thing isn’t an oddity but an inference that would be allowed to a Town cop if s/he received a result of Wolf. Alpha’s don’t have investigation results of ‘wolf’. Alpha’s have investigation results of ‘town’. In the second half of your post you wander off into Meeko world where you want hypothetical concrete proof one way or the other about whether we can trust the barn message that we’re hypothetically not going to get without a) having the hypothetically Town investigating party claim b) hypothetically lynching them or getting them killed them to see that they were indeed Town and had no motivation to lie with their barn post.
You don’t have much faith in the case against Stanislaus, but others such as myself apparently feel otherwise. His claim was late and has some problems. His play prior to that was also suspect, at least to me at the time, and some other folks have seemed to concur. I’d rather keep the Investigator alive and hidden as much as possible and roll the dice on Stan.
NETA still reading the rest of your post.
Missed this one the first time through. Stupid work in another window.
Why would a Third Party need to fake an investigator role? There are precedents of third party investigators.
Because, once again, I doubt we have one? There’s really no reason to give a third-party a power town has, as it will likely lead to their immediate lynch. We know we have an investigator, and if they get counterclaimed, we absolutely want to lynch one of them.
It doesn’t help them further their own win condition, it doesn’t help them stay alive… so it’s a power I doubt our third-party(ies) have.
I’m absolutely find with this, I swear! Do what you think best serves town. We don’t always have to do what Astral wants.
However, I do want to clear one thing up. Your last sentence seems to imply that I want the investigator the claim right now, and that’s not true. I’d prefer we hold off on lynching Stanislaus until the investigator does choose to claim, be that in the next five minutes or in the next five days. Or, if they don’t claim and turn up dead in a morning post, we choose what to do with Stanislaus then. That’s what I’m suggesting.
Bite me. Is that short enough?
Well, let’s see. It says unidentifiable, and the text is clearly talking about a dead body, in fact the only dead body who’s described as having a crow pecking at it. There’s a grand total of one other dead person that night and that’s Pleonast, whose body is described as being “all that remains” of him, and is still in his butcher’s outfit with a knife in his hand. No crow anywhere. So I think one should be able to intuit that this is clearly not the same body described in that “crow” and “unidentifiable” paragraph.
So if it wasn’t Val, you wanna tell me who the hell else story was describing? Jesus.
I’ll put the rest in spoilers so as not to hurt your delicate retinas from my mean ol’ wall of words. Long posts are haaaaaard!
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Sure. In fact, O Swami of “you don’t pay attention to what’s being written,” how about I go back in time and do it three hundred posts ago and just two bleedin’ posts after you asked your question?
From [url=http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15979903&postcount=878]:
The funny thing is that you responded to this post. I was wrong about Chucara obviously, but so was everyone else.[/spoiler]
Want some scum-voting? Okay.
vote DiggitCamera
vote Guiri
vote USCDiver
Diggit because she called me annoying (yup, that’s an OMGUS, tough shit) and also because she tried to get the other Masons to reveal themselves and never gave a satisfactory answer to why she disagreed with the very solid reasoning why revealing Masons early in a game is bad for Town. Before anyone asks, why aren’t the real Masons outing her? Because then they’d be outing themselves. Why aren’t they voting for her? Perhaps because going too hard for her would prove they’re Masons. People have completely forgot about all her spurring on of the other Masons to step into the line of fire.
Anyway, if we lynch her and she is Town after all? BFD. We have three Masons, according to her. The other two–the smart ones who didn’t try to get their brethren killed early–are better assets.
There. It’s as good a reason as any of the votes on me, far as I’m concerned.
Guiri and USCDiver because I quite genuinely think they’re both agent provocateurs. Guiri leapt on me like a duck on a June bug on D1, before I even posted, and once he goaded me and goaded me and finally got others to attack me too, he’s now conveniently stepped away from it; now it’s USCDiver’s turn to treat me like crap. I may not be useful to Town–yeah, you’ve all made that quite clear–but I’m a Town body, and we need them. Guiri knows I’m an emotional player as he’s seen me in two previous games, I believe, so he’s pushed my buttons with aplomb. Well played.
Also, sure, it’s OMGUS at its finest. They’ve made this experience utterly sucky for me, and all the pathetic enjoyment I have left in this game is to vote them and hope, hope, hope that whether they’re lynched or not, they turn out to be scum or third party so I can laugh my ass off at the rest of you for falling for them.
Story, were there any players who wanted to sub in? If so, tell them they’ve got a spot if they want it-.
My bad. I went through and looked for who didn’t answer my questions so I could re-ask them, and missed that one. No harm intended.
Man, you must have just about the thinnest skin EVAR! Lighten up already!
I must admit somehow I overlooked the fact that there was a raven mentioned in the description of DAY 2’s dawn. And, you are right, there’s definitely a mention of an unidentifiable body.
Still: your diversionary tactics as to the color (aka descriptions of dawn and … evenings(?)) look fishy to me, so I won’t be removing my vote anyway.
Choie, I agree that a certain amount of chilling is in order. I think a certain amount of detachment is necessary in a game where 27 people are doing nothing but trying to make the other 26 look like terrible people.
Astral made a comment earlier about there being a difference between Choie the person and Choie the possible scum. Please don’t forget about that difference and please remember that the SDMB is much, much larger than this thread.
In which Meeko lets out the biggest, longest sigh he has ever, ever let out.
Stick around, choie. There will be ample opportunity to plot/execute revenge AND point and laugh at those who have irked you if you just stick with it through the perpetual ‘next game’.
:rolleyes:
God forbid I ask questions in my first game, right?
I haven’t been able to find how to bookmark on my laptop…and as Lightfoot put it, I am usually doing my first read through on my phone…