My first thought on reading the writeup was a quote from a Carry On film.
I too was relieved to see that we get some clues as to game alignment. It’s hard to recognise until you get both Town and non-Town results though. I remember a game where there was no Cop, just a machine. It gave a coded reading that no-one could decipher - until we tested and then lynched a Werewolf, which made the code glaringly obvious. Thereafter we could feed a suspect into the machine, read the results and know whether they were Town or Wolf - and if the latter, lynch them that Day.
I’ve been thinking that there might be something like that, and sure enough there is.
So just to get this straight, does neutral mean** ToeJam** could have been 3rd Party or PFK? I just want confirmation 'cos in my head that what it means.
Well, we’ve been assuming due topizzaguy’s comments that both Town and Scum can be either Good or Evil, so I don’t see why Town/Scum can’t be Neutral either. God forbid we should get some useful info out of these deaths! However, a Thief does indicate third party I think.
Ouch, my back is still aching from that Wind attack! Thanks a lot for that, whoever decided to go after me. (I have my suspicions, ahem.) Obviously it could’ve been a lot worse if I hadn’t been healed. How’re you doing, MHaye? Normal seems to have fended her attack pretty well. Good for her.
I’m surprised that Astral needed healing. Was he injured and I didn’t notice?
lest it become an idiot point .* no smack on Jan here * . I an currently " good" ( and I’m Town not that you are required to believe that) in order to " upgrade" my character to the level that I think I want to - I have to become " neutral"
OK, as promised, a summary of my communications with ToeJam:
I first heard from him, unsolicited, during the Gadarene/**fubbleskag **“third party win condition” kerfluffle. He sent me a PM titles “Here ya go”, saying:
[QUOTE=ToeJam]
The Neutral Win Condition is as Follows:
Win Condition: You are the wealthiest neutral at the end of the game (wealthiest includes item value), so you can afford to pay for your resurrection.
Note- Neutrality doesn’t mean Town/Scum. Just means if you’re a neutral player vs. being Good/Chaotic.
Now you know everything Gaderene, and a few other players seem to already know.
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I asked him how he knew this: was it his wincon? Also how ‘Neutral’ was defined in this context. His reply:
I aksed where he got his information, from another player or from the Mod, because i wanted to know how reliable it was.
He then told me he was a Soldier, and that he was one of the people who attacked Lord Phere on Day 1
That was that, at the time. Then I got another unsolicited email midway through Day 3:
[QUOTE=ToeJam]
Random Tidbit of knowledge:
Since I can’t really post that often (busy schedule and all next 2 weeks).
Since you’ve kept our dealings private, I appreciate that.
I got some info for you. From an unnamed source and all that jazz as per the usual.
**VisorSlash **was visited last night by only 1 person according to said source: Realitytrips.
They didn’t see what happened. And they cannot/willnot provide further investigative results to me. But it is the one piece of info I got from them.
I however also know that certain players are untrackable and may escape a watcher’s eye. So again, take said above info with grains of salts.
:shrug: If you have any info to share with me, I’d be obliged, but I ss always expect nothing from you.
For the record though, Astral’s soldier list is correct.
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I did not respond to this one, and received no further messages.
I assume it was the last PM that he was referring to when he talked about his ‘investigation’, but as you can see there was no indication at the time that this was anything other than another piece of ‘unsubstantiated’ information that he was passing along.
I have no idea how much, if any, of what ToeJam told me is true, and if untrue I have no idea who the ‘liar’ is: ToeJam, or his unnamed source.
Since ToeJam was a Rogue (Thief), it seems unilkely that he was also an Investigator, so I take everything he said with a grain of salt.
I’ve got some yardwork to do now, so I’ll be away from the computer for a while. I’ll answer any other questions later this afternoon/evening, but you really know pretty much all I know about the situation now.
Meh, realitytrips told me himself that he’d attacked Visorslash so at least for me the investigation info is not news (though it does substantiate it). I was planning to post my conversations with RT tonight anyway (only mildly redacted), since he hasn’t done us the honor of turning up.
He was lying about being a soldier – soldiers don’t do 80 hp damage, and I don’t think you can get to rogue from there in two days either though I could be remembering that wrong. I do buy that neutral morality players can be town, but I don’t think that he was.
Maybe Gadarene has more to say – he claimed ToeJam was doing good work for the town and I could see how a thief might be capable of that, but ToeJam didn’t have any items on him at hte time of his death.
I’m a straight up soldier and can’t see rogue at the moment, but I disagree about the damage - although a soldier does 25hp damage, if she uses a weapon she does more. There seem to be a bunch of weapons floating around - my sword does 70, I’m pretty sure someone mentioned an axe that does 80.
Given that this game has RPG elements, could a Rogue, as someone who might be casing joints, be able to watch coming & goings?
Alternatively, is it possible that power roles have separate persistent powers to the RPG roles?
Not that I’m ruling out him lying. Just putting it out there.
Because I think you might be scum, based on what happened to me the first day. You were the first person to vote for me (for saying that your argument against someone else was persuasive), but didn’t get nearly enough votes to lynch me. Then, suddenly 3 votes come from some mysterious source to kill me. Then, you claimed you never actually made the argument against Visorslash in the first place. Nobody else seems to care, but I still remember (mostly because I lost track of the thread at that point, and haven’t read most of the 45 pages of the game that have happened since then).
Like I said, I have to attack SOMEONE during the day, or I die. I have a limited amount of information, which includes only that you have a non-vanilla role, and you seem to be pulling a lot of strings. I don’t have any scum leans on anyone else, and the consequence if I’m wrong is only that I do a bit of damage to someone innocent.
