Well, Plankton has stolen a good bit of my thunder. I was also in private conversation with ToeJam before his death. Per TJ, he was not a Rogue when he Watched Visorslash; he was an Assassin, which he claims is a watcher role. As far as I can tell, he was switching classes as frequently as he could in order to try to figure out what they all did.
He was very confident that fubbleskag was a third party, but didn’t claim any insider information - it was just based on his own win condition and the way fubbles appeared to be trying to collect money early on. This seems like a pretty reasonable connection, though not obviously definitive.
I have no reason to think he was lying about RealityTrips visiting Visorslash; when ToeJam lies it’s usually a bit bigger and grander than something like that. He was also very careful not to say for certain that RealityTrips attacked Visorslash, which I think he would have done if he were making the whole thing up out of whole cloth.
He also had some information on which players were communicating extensively off board. I’m not really sure that information is worth very much - I don’t think a frequent off-board communicator is any more likely to be Town or Scum than one who stays mostly or entirely on-board.
Whilst the reveal gives us more info than the others, “self interested” is one of the standard d&d definitions of Neutral, so that part may well have been just another moral alignment reveal.
An assassin would probably have lock picking devices too, and certainly would watch comings and goings.
If this was supposed to be a transitory role - Suburban Plankton or Storyteller, did ToeJam give you any ideas as to what else he passed through? It doesn’t seem to me to be something that could be gotten by day 3 levelling from soldier.
Then again, did I notice that there is a sort of way to move up fast by levelling in the day and changing roles in the following night? That doesn’t seem to be what the initial Role PM said, but I have some memory of ATPG saying it?
I guess the obvious question is whether an assassin was responsible for any of the outright kills (and if it was night, why it might have looked like a Phere killing)?
Is anyone else finding the Nights way too long? I know we can talk but it seems as if everybody is waiting for Day to start again. I realise that Pizzamod has a lot to do but I am waiting to see what happened during the Night and if it could help us at all.
I think the next game I host will have 4 kills per cycle: day lynch for town and day kill for scum, and then night lynch for town and night kill for scum. What fun! What bloodshed!
To me, “self interested” seems more Chaotic than Neutral…but that doesn’t necessarily mean anything.
**ToeJam **told me during day 1 that he was a Soldier.
According to story, when he watched **Visorslash **he was an Assassin. He told me about Visorslash/realitytrips during Day 3 and referred to it as happening “last night”, which would mean Night 2.
And he was a Rogue (Thief) when he died.
So, if he was telling the truth he went Soldier (Day 1) -> Assassin (Day 2) -> Rogue (Thief) (Day 3).
That sounds great, I hope our board gets enough player though. Mitch started that board for us and I thinks it’s only LightFoot and Me that have run a game on there??
PMs from realitytrip as promised. I’ve redacted most of his information, though it’s necessary for context to reveal that he didn’t start the game as plain vanilla. I’m not sure what to think of him and am upset that he just disappeared. A few more thoughts after I eat.
[QUOTE=realitytrip]
Ok. I keep going back and forth on you being scum or not. Right now, I am leaning not scum. I thought your response to my voting you was good. If you are not scum, you are a talkative townie and it would behoove me to have you on my side. If you are scum, well, it wouldn’t be my first misstep in this game.
I am town. [---------------------] You want to know who has been attacking Visorslash? I am one of the people. [--------------------------------------] This is why I have pretty much ignored Visorslash in my postings. Trying not to make it too obvious to scum who the attackers are. Why? Well, Visorslash may be town..but his behavior may lead to him being a mislynch…I think his posts often distract rather than help…if its too far…well I may be talked to changing targets..
Here’s hoping I didn’t make a big mistake telling you this…
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I asked him what he expected from me and got:
I challenged him on being “most concerned” (quote from one of his posts) about the non-Phere night attacks from night one when he’d just admitted that one of those attacks was himself. I found it to be unnecessarily misleading, bordering an outright lie, the way he put it. I later went back and read it again and changed my mind somewhat – he seems to have been referring to all night attacks with his “most concerned”, not just the non-Phere ones. But this comment is from when I was all “AHAH” about that statement.
I told him he was missing the point and it was about his mis-leading the town/very nearly lying. (My comment for context:
Not too much. I haven’t been on my computer a ton over the last few days, POG being down and it being the weekend and all. My overall energy level for this game has ebbed a bit as well.
I’m happy to quote my PM conversations with ToeJam if you think it would shed some additional light. He said that he had a Neutral win condition (the “amass wealth” thing I talked about however many Days ago) but that he was actively working in favor of the Town and that he was not a PFK; I saw no reason to disbelieve him.
I advance in class after toNight, and I’m interested to see what new powers I’ll have.
I was sort of expecting this game to be higher-carnage than it has been.
Me. Dunno how much there is to discuss right now. Or rather, I feel like there’s probably a ton to discuss, but I haven’t gotten any real sense of the shape of this game, so it’s hard to get purchase.
I think a Scum should just volunteer to out themselves to give us all information.
What makes no sense to me is how realitytrip approaches the disclosure.
He’s been “going back and forth” on whether Normal Phase is town, and right now he’s leaning town, so… here’s his role claim. (I’m assuming that’s what the redacted part is, since they later discuss his night power).
When he first contacted me, RT’s role reveal (along with his focus on the non-Phere kills, which I later thought I might have mis-read) slammed me right into “I’m dealing with a third party here” territory. I guess I just have a mental block on the idea that a scum team would sign on for such a questionably motivated contact. And the bit in the opening color about there maybe being players in the game who are only out to get each other would seem to explain a lot: his scummy posts, his concern with night attackers who are not Lord Phere, and even his contacting me – whatever I’m coming across as, I very much doubt that anyone’s seeing me as a likely third party/PFK. And a third party wouldn’t much care if I was scum or town, only that I didn’t come after him. So I don’t know. I’ve been back and forth a dozen times since this PM exchange.
