Wait, what? Astral, you’re making some big assumptions that indicate you know more than you should. All you presumably know is what’s written in your own role sheet. You know naught (or should know naught, unless you’re Scum) of what’s written on others’ role sheets.
So you know everyone’s vanilla town PMs, do you? You think someone as crafty as askthepizzaguy gave every member of the same class an identical sheet? That’s one heckuva assumption. And you were a GM yourself not so long ago!
Seems to me there’s little scummier, or at least anti-Townier, than asserting in public that a Town player is an allegedly non-vanilla. Did you not remember that the PM option is available to us? Or did you just want to do this in front of everyone since by doing so, oh so coincidentally, you’re claiming to be a vanilla Townie yourself?
Yeesh, dude. If you’re really Townie, saints preserve us from any more such allies, because they’re apparently willing to do Scum’s work for them.
I’m still not sure I know what you’re getting at here.
Are you saying that because there were 9 attacks, that means 9 “Vanilla” people are responsible for them? So anyone who is not Vanilla could not possibly have attacked anyone?
And that you assume there are more than 9 Vanilla players, because some of them probably forgot to submit actions?
You seem to be eliminating a number of possibilities:
[ul][li]A “non-Vanilla” player may be able to attack and perform an ‘Action’ on the same day[/li][li]a non-Vanilla player may be able to attack during the day and take another action at Night[/li][li]a non-Vanilla player may choose to attack during the Day instead of using another ability[/li][li]any player may *choose *to do nothing during the Day (as opposed to forgetting to submit an action)[/ul][/li]
It seems to me that you are making a few unwarranted assumptions…or am I completely misunderstanding what you are saying?
Quoting will be too hard on my phone. Addressed in order, unless I miss something.
I know nothing of what’s written on others’ sheets. However, I’m assuming other soldiers have identical powers to mine. This is a fair Day 1 assumption, which will break down on future days when we can select new roles or swap roles.
Regardless, their sheet doesn’t matter. I have no reason to assume other soldiers have different powers than I do.
Further, if I’m wrong, scum kill a vanilla Choie.. Sorry to be callous, but in the greater scheme of things, that’s not the worst possible outcome of Night 1.
Lastly, to Choie’s assertion that if I’m town, I’m doing the scum’s job: :rolleye:
To Suburban: How do you get “all 9 attacks are from vanilla players” from “Some of them may be something else.” ?
The rest of your points are based off this initial misunderstanding.
I’m sorry my attempts to shed light on the state of the game have been so ill-received. At every step, I took actions that I thought would benefit town.
So now Astral is issuing orders to scum to attack someone he thinks could be a power role Townie who’s outted herself. He doesn’t suggest something benign, like asking any fellow Townspeople with useful powers to scan or track me (assuming any of us has such powers) or any other non-lethal method. Nope, he recommends that I be killed/attacked, by scum no less (because scum love taking orders from townies!), in order to prove I’m a vanilla. And if I’m a Town power role as he suggests? Doesn’t matter if I die and my powers are no longer usable to Town; at least it’ll prove that Astral was right!
Yep. He’s clearly just trying to help Town.
That said, if my death pleases and helps the rest of the Town, that’s fine – it serves a purpose, and I’m a-ok with that. Plus, I’m dying (pun intended) to find out what the heck askthepizzaguy has in store for deadies since he’s stated the game’s not over for them.
Look at the damage values: 80, 80, 25, 75, 13, 100, 50, 50 and 60. Just one matches your claimed damage, the 13 could be the result of a protection, the two 50s could be lucky double damage due to elements but the others indicate different powers, levels, weapons or roles.
I don’t get where you’re coming from. I gave scum no orders. I said if they attacked you and if I was wrong, we’ve lost a vanilla town. By outing you, I’ve increased your chance of surviving. If I stay silent and scum noticed, you die. If I speak up and a protective role decides to protect you, you live.
You’re acting like I outed you just to out you. Do you disagree with my stated reasoning? I wanted to prevent further accidental reveals and to help town make sense of Dusk.
Re: who I attacked. Glee, indirectly. I had no read on BobAaarghh and attacked him just to see what would happen. What is the point of asking me?
I don’t follow. BobArghh, in the color, was only attacked once and was defended by glee. Glee then took half of the damage my attack would have caused. The simplest conclusion is that glee defended BobArghh from my attack.
You claim you attacked Bob ( how could you know he was only attacked once?)
someone * said they would protect ** Bob **
“I’ll protect you, BobArrgh!” shouts another.
7 players took damage
** Visorslash ** from the orb and ** Inner ** maybe in the protection of ** Visorslash ** ( but he did jump out of the way.)
That leaves 5 players that ** might ** have taken damage protecting or being attacked
I’m not certain that our mod would leave all actions in tidy order.
And because we know different elements have an effect on the damage caused I’m not comfortable assuming that’s what happened. (of course Glee could pop in and say they protected Bob but I don’t think that’s wise either)
Are we sure of that? Consider the following (snipped from the Dusk post):
And then in the next post, with no context at all, we learn
If we assume that the color reflects events in chronological order and that the protections are directly related to the damage that follow them, then we have:
[ul][li]Visorslash and another person attack Lord Phere for 80 damage each[/li][li]Someone (possible another adventurer) attacks LightFoot for 25 damage[/li][li]Someone attacks Visorslash, but Inner Stickler protects him and takes 75 damage[/li][li]Someone (Astral, by his own admission) attacked BobArrgh, but glee protects him and takes 13 damage[/li][li]Inner Sticker tries to protect Visorslash but fails, and Visor takes 100 damage[/li][li]Someone (Lord Phere?) attacks ToeJam for 50 damage[/li][li]Someone attacks Inner, but Guiri protects him and takes 50 damage[/li][li]And somewhere in amongst all the other goings on, Red Skeezix is attacked for 60 damage.[/ul][/li]
This would imply that the people protecting others do so by absorbing the damage that would otherwise have been inflicted upon their protectee. Perhaps Inner Stickler can tell us if that is his understanding, since he is the one person who was named as having performed, or at least attempted, a protective action. Also, assuming the events are listed in chronological order requires us to know when the attack on Red Skeezix happened; since we were not told the most likely explanation is that it is not relevant.
If we don’t assume a direct relationship between the actions listed, then our events look more like this:
[ul][li]Visorslash and another person attack Lord Phere for 80 damage each[/li][li]Someone (Astral, by his own admission) attacks BobArrgh[/li][li]Someone protects BobArrgh (successfully)[/li][li]Someone attacks glee for 13 damage[/li][li]Someone attacks Guiri for 50 damage[/li][li]Someone attacks Inner Stickler for 75 damage[/li][li]Someone protects Inner Stickler (unsuccessfully?)[/li][li]Someone (possible another adventurer) attacks LightFoot for 25 damage[/li][li]Someone attacks Red Skeezix 60 damage[/li][li]Someone (Lord Phere?) attacks ToeJam for 50 damage[/li][li]Someone attacks Visorslash. Inner Sticker tries to protect him but fails, and Visor takes 100 damage[/li][li]Someone protects Visorslash (successfully, from a second attack?)[/li][/ul]
It’s interesting that there’s no evidence of anyone trying to protect someone who was not attacked. I suppose it could be that those actions were simply not reported, since they had no impact on the actual events.
I’d like to know if the 75 HP of damage you took was as a direct result of your protection of Visorslash. Did you absorb some of the damage that was directed at him?
I was seeing that third clause “scum kill a vanilla choie” as an imperative. As in, “Scum: kill a vanilla choie.” But I may definitely have misread that, in which case, sorry 'bout that.
If that was your reasoning… well, I do still disagree, because a) my alleged outting of myself as a power role, true or false, was apparently obscure to everyone but you, in which case it wasn’t actually “out” until you outted it yourself, and the end result was that b) you gave away stuff from the vanilla PM, and c) you were outting someone you were assuming was a power role Townie who’d outted herself, both of which are helping scum, whether intentional or not.
But if you’re townie, I can accept that you meant well. It’s just that “if,” y’know? It’s still an “if.”
I never assumed you were a power role. That’s been the focus of my commentary because that’s what we’ve been talking about, but several other options are also likely:
