Thanks for clearing up the -1 ATPG
as to the extra votes… ** Normal, Visorslash and ToeJam ** have all voted on players that got an extra vote ( or in this case 2)
If it is not a roaming quality 2 of those 3 have the power. And we will know soon enough
Nobody listens to me anyway, Normal.
Interesting. Now we now who the double-voters are – one definitely, though the second could be one of two people.
Voters for Astral:
Weedy. septimus, GuiriEnEspana, Silver Jan, Normal Phase, MHaye, Visorslash, ToeJam
Voters for Mosier (4 official votes, 3 from pizzaguy, 1 invisible vote:
Discounting the three from pizzaguy, the voters were:
Lightfoot, Suburban Plankton, Normal Phase, gnarlycharlie, (anonymous double-voter)
Voters for Gadarene (6 official votes, 1 invisible vote)
NAF1138, ToeJam, Inner Stickler, Visorslash, BobArrgh, lilflower, (anonymous double-voter)
CROSSOVER VOTES:
Normal Phase is the only person who voted for Mosier and Astral
ToeJam and Visorslash are the only people who voted for Gadarene and Astral
So unless there’s something I’m missing, the double-voters appear to be:
- Normal Phase
2 Either ToeJam or Visorslash
Anyone disagree with my math? Of course the double-voters don’t have to be malicious, and maybe they helped lynch a scum Astral – we don’t know yet.
Suburban - My votes did not count since they were not bolded. ATPG has my vote now counted as an abstain. That is where the extra abstain is coming from. Also, my votes for the items do not count…I think that is also throwing you off.
…Annnd I see that LightFoot was way ahead of me. Oh well.
Dang you’re fast! I only counted it myself five minutes ago. And I confirm ,and one of them is me. I believe it’s a function of my role, but I don’t know whether the other player has the same role as me or a different one.
I can confirm it’s an effect of my role; I just double-checked. Which means anyone could get it should they go this path (at least – again, Visor or ToeJam may be different).
I think it needs to be examined regardless.
My tally error, already noted and corrected.
I counted Askthepizzaguy’s unvote as one of these.
Correct.
Correct.
Visorslash voted to Fubbleskag as well, by my tally. You should only have 1 extra vote. I note that in your tally, you have Visorslash voting the item to himself?
Which of us made the error there? Have to recheck.
Realitytrips’ votes were invalid.
Correct.
Okay, so we largely agree Suburban Plankton, except I believe Visor voted a different person the item in question which I will recheck, and I believe you counted Reality’s votes which were invalid.
I will get back to you on the item vote which we are in disagreement on, but otherwise the tally should be fine here.
Here it is.
In your tally you have him voting the item to himself.
Not really, I started a list of possibles yesterDay and when the officical modified vote count was posted just now it was a quick matter of elimination.
Barring any other corrections (all of which were minor and not outcome-changing) I will proceed.
Thanks for the help everyone. As you can see, it’s quite easy for things to get missed. That’s why the proper vote procedure is important.
I have nothing to do with any of the modified item votes, though.
OK, I found my item voting error. Visorslash posted
but I only marked down the unvote for the Sapphire Ring…and I marked it down as being for the Emerald Ring my mistake 
So we have:
2 hidden votes on Astral Rejection
And for Item Votes:
Blue Pendant:
2 hidden votes to Visorslash
Sapphire Ring:
1 hidden vote to LightFoot
1 hidden vote to fubbleskag
Emerald Ring:
2 hidden votes to Visorslash
Normal Phase has claimed to be one of the double-voters, and the other should be either Visorslash or ToeJam, based on the voting, correct?
And the extra item votes don’t seem to be based on double-voting at all…I’m guessing they are either the result of some item(s) already being possessed by these people, or these votes are being purchased.
No point in it, I guess, since Astral finished 4 votes up in the ‘first count’ tally.
Unfortunately, that means there’s no way we can glean any information from him (or them) Today.
Not exactly cricket, if you ask me, but what can you expect from Traitors, eh?
OK, full disclosure Pizza told me I DO actually have double influence on the item votes. But I didn’t see Suburban list any extra vote for the item I put to myself, so I’m still confused.
Assuming the other player works the same way, though, it must be Visorslash.
I love how Askthepizzaguy is keeping you all in suspense! 
This is my presumption as well- I have no double voting abilities with my role.
Is it likely that Town would have two double voters? Are they supposed to act as a counterbalance to a scum triplevoter, or is it possible that if Normal is Town, Visorslash is more likely to be scum?
No, that makes sense.
Once I omit all of the **realitytrip **votes and fix my problems with **Visorslash’s **votes, I have:
Pendant
Normal Phase (3): Weedy (1034), septimus (1222), Normal Phase (1265)
Sapphire
LightFoot (3): LightFoot (851), septimus (870), Normal Phase (1265)
Emerald
choie (4): septimus (870), choie (916), Weedy (1034), Normal Phase (1265)
Add an extra vote to each of those, and the totals match what **Pizza **has.
The other extra item votes are still a mystery though. I see four votes for **Visorslash **(2 each on 2 different items), and one vote each for **fubbleskag **and PetW. I can’t see any pattern there.
Just to be clear…you’re denying that you have any double-voting ability, meaning the other double-voter must be Visorslash?
Assuming there *is *a second double-voter, and it’s not some other more esoteric power, that is.