If you are arguing a point of logic or strategy that I disagree with, it should be fair game regardless of who you direct it to.
I don’t see how a townie can play by the bolded part above. How do I keep my team alive when I have no idea who is on my team? This is how scum should have been playing, but not town. Town needs to be able to differentiate the factions in order to win this game. If you think you can play this game like a regular game of Mafia, you’re wrong.
I think you are wrong or mafia that doesn’t like me talking about why the wolves should be hunting you.
It is tougher for Town * not knowing who is on their team * but the principle is sound.
and I do think this game can be won playing regular mafia theories ( with adaptations to the extra bits)
The wolves are after everyone that isn’t their kind. as are the Mafia. I don’t see your point.
If you think you have found a Mafia- vote them.
If you are Town the Scum don’t give a crap what you think. (unless they decide to frame you with it)
Yes Lakai. Scum is going to openly give us the info that will put them in the noose. Why would a scum Biotop tell us that he had the doc switch, and what he did with it? Do you think it was an honest confession from someone who is supposed to be deceiving us?
Hmm. I actually liked the point Lakai was making about Biotop. It wasn’t that he revealed that he had a Doc Switch, its that he revealed he had the Doc Switch and thought the other Doc Switch Holder was dead. That is, did a Townie Biotop think that another Townie held the Doc Switch and was now dead or did Scummy Biotop think that another Townie held the Doc Switch and was now dead. If I were a Townie holding the Doc switch, my inclination would be to think that a non-Town held the other switch. It’s much easier to believe that a Scummy Biotop thought the Doc Switch holder was dead.
I agree with Lakai; Biotop saying he thought he was the only doc switch holder reveals to us a bit about Biotop and what he was thinking. It certainly isn’t 'null.'If Biotop were Townie, do I believe he would think that the Doc, a Town role, had switches both held by Town? I say no. A Biotop lynch is a good lynch!
vote Biotop
I’ll check in tomorrow to see if you need my vote to get a double lynch going.
So wolves don’t care who they vote for or kill as long as it’s not them right? But you think traditional game play is going to reveal them? You don’t think they have more incentive to be particular about who they push for or kill now that two of them are dead? The wolves pushing a mafia lynch or backing one makes it look like they are hunting scum, isn’t that something exclusive to town in a standard game? The same applies to mafia, they push a wolf lynch and in a normal game it would make them seem town, but in this game it doesn’t necessarily mean the same thing. For you to think that standard gameplay can win this game disregards that scum have an extra advantage this game of being able to do actual scum hunting without bussing their teammates.
As the game gets smaller how do you think we are going to win without identifying them as either mafia or wolves as opposed to general scum? With a pro-town, anti scum vote and post record either a wolf or a mafia would be impossible to discern from a townie with an equal record.
You know… on first read I assumed that Biotop’s decision N3 as explained by him was based on a double wolf death D3. But I suppose if you ignore that, you might have a case. But unless you have other reasons to be suspicious of Biotop, I think it’s the weakest case of the Day.
I didn’t read it as him thinking they were dead. But I’ll get back to that in a second.
Let’s follow your own logic for a second. You are saying that it doesn’t make sense for a town Biotop to think that the switch holder was dead because they are most likely not also town. So a town Biotop should assume that the other switch is held by an opposing faction, correct? D3 ended with a double wolf death. That means in addition to juggling the WIFOM of whether a not a scum switch holder would flip their switch, he has do add in the possibility that the scum switch holder has died. If he thinks the scum switch holder is dead, he shouldn’t flip his switch because it turns the doc off. If he thinks scum won’t flip their switch, he shouldn’t flip his switch. If he thinks that the scum switch holder is still alive and is going to flip their switch, than he should flip his switch. Three possible scenarios, two of which he should not flip the switch as town. Now I’m not arguing that all three should all be given equal weight, but you decide how much weight to give each and decide if you would have flipped the switch.
So I read his post as saying he thought it possible that one of the dead wolves held the switch… adding to the reasons not to push his switch.
Scum may feel this way, but as Town I don’t see it the same as you do.
As the game gets smaller. well it really does not matter to Town. we need all the ‘Scum’ gone. which faction they belong to doesn’t make much difference to us- does it?
I realize we can’t trust any player that fingers a Scum because it may not have been ‘their’ team. but that will come out in the wash won’t it? ie pushing a Wolf lynch does not mean you are not Mafia v/v
reading my response, I guess I don’t know what your argument is
Moving past it, look at the numbers
7 mafia. For the mafia to win they need the game to be down to 7 other players nor more than 6 being wolves. The latter being already fulfilled.
5 wolves. For the wolves to win they need the game to be down to 5 other players, no more than 4 of them mafia.
If town doesn’t care about who is who, and somehow only kills wolves, we do nothing to make the mafia wincon more difficult and we lose when there are 14 players left in the game.
If we kill mafia, then it reduces that number by 2 for each mafia.
If no mafia die, we don’t push back LYLO. Mafia deaths push LYLO back. Until the mafia and wolves equal in number the only deaths that push back LYLO are mafia.
Does that make sense to you?
I’m not saying we shouldn’t hunt wolves, I’m saying that we need to start discerning between the two and giving more weight to lynching players suspected of being part of whichever scum faction is currently leading. It’s the only way I see of moving LYLO back.
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If I see a vote with a shitty case that I don’t understand, I’m supposed to kick back and say nothing? No thanks. I’m gonna continue to call anyone out on anything if I don’t think it helps town win.