Many PM’s in games read " you win when Town wins" is that not, then, your team?
Waste a vig kill? Batman is as blind as the rest of the town. If he/she kills the runner up in the votes, there’s no guarantee that the person is scum. If batman kills another random town role - like Colby - that’s a waste. If batman kills me, we at least learn things.
what? think this through , If you are a switcher you have asked questions about the mechanic.so you know more about it
But the proposed plan is for you to leave your switch alone ( isn’t it?)
Not to switch anything off?
I’m just saying, that if you guys don’t understand random [[But logically placed]] SpongeBob SquarePants quotes … Maybe don’t go looking up my signature. Yes, but the 2010 version, they made a few palette swaps, and one or two personality changes… It’s the same idea… But like Next Generation, for ponies… With Q inexplicably more or less showing up in both franchises.
What good is justifying a vote, if no one will see it until the day after, only through a response to a cut and paste repost of the body of text of said justification. … It’s almost as if I’m not playing.
So, what are the chances that Brewha is a 3P who wins if he’s NK’d?
I think it is just poor wording. The mods should clarify this point because it should not be intentionally confusing.
While Colby ended up town, killing him wasn’t “a waste.” What would be a waste would be using a Lynch to kill Colby Today. By removing Colby, the Vig(presumably) satisfied the Town’s curiosity/suspicion of Colby. The Town was wrong. The Vig was right.
What exactly are we going to learn from your death?
Hey all. If you want to be specific about what you want clarified feel free to ask in green.
Switches are not powers any more than the ability to turn on a television is a superpower.
there is a comment up thread that the switches are toggled ( from current position to the other ) which is true?
I want to know the same
Yes but if the thing we learn is that you were town, then we have one switch that is no longer available to anybody and one switch that is in the hands of someone we don’t know. If their switch is equivalent to yours and they are inimical to town, then they can shut Batman down every night and we lose our vig. I’m becoming less and less comfortable with this with every post.
I see now you claim it is AUBatman switch only- gotcha [cue Emily Litella]
From my POV, the switches are a complete black box until we deliberately try to control them. Even a failure to control them gives some information, though we may not have a complete understanding of all of the possible permutations or all of the possible reasons for any given result (maybe that information will become clearer as we go), we can still see the result itself.
Doesn’t knowing THAT something happened get you one step closer to WHY something happened?
We know:
brewha has claimed a switch
brewha has claimed he’ll go along with Chronos’s plan
brewha has claimed he will turn the switch to deactivate Batman
Batman must try to kill someone
if Batman has switches, Batman’s kill power can be turned off
if Batman’s kill power is turned off, Batman will not kill anyone with the kill power
if brewha ends up dead, we will know his orientation
We could learn:
if brewha ends up dead, we may learn if he had a switch (this is one that we can’t be sure of, I think, unless I missed something in the rules)
if brewha ends up dead and ends up Town as he claimed, we can think it’s likely he was telling the truth about the switch and did the thing he claimed he would do with the switch
if brewha ends up dead and is not Town, we can think it’s likely he was not telling the truth about the switch and/or did not do the thing he claimed he would do with the switch
alive or dead, we would have additional information about something, since the one thing we know is that Batman must try to kill someone
depending on the number and/or type of deaths, we might learn a great deal
as a Town power, Batman could at some point reveal whether the attempt was made to kill brewha, which would give additional information (I do not suggest Batman claim any time soon)
The information may not be extensive at first (though I think it could snowball), but since brewha has already claimed the switch, what does the plan harm? I’m happy to reconsider if we think there is a big potential for harm, say in limiting the vig. I do see how it limits the vig. I don’t tend to think of mandatory vigs as an enormous benefit to Town, but I’m persuadable.
the post of which you speak I got lost thinking the quote tags were borked - You appeared to be talking to yourself at one point-- I will revisit it when I catch up here
By the way, these quotes (most of which I spoilered to not clutter the thread) confirm my notion that snfaulkner is up to no good. Most of his participation has been either fluff or cozying up to other players (Chronos, for instance). To me, this kind of behavior is a clear marker for scummi(sp?)hood
Not really following the reason for this vote from the posted quote bits can you assist?
What do we learn? We learn if you were town or scum and thus whether you were likely to be telling the truth or not. Or we learn nothing because you don’t die for any number of reasons (up to and including the vig just choosing not to target you)
I would argue that a vig of the lynch runner up is much more useful. Colby being (presumably) vigged last night allowed us to go on today without talking about whether he slipped and gives us the colby wagon to analyse.
Dammit, 1.3 million posts in the time it took me to compose mine. sigh
Frustrating, isn’t it?
You are right about one thing. The cat is already out of the bag regarding brewha. If it is a false claim I suspect we’ll learn that soon enough.I feel pretty sure it is not a false claim.
I am not seeing what sort of information might “snowball” from that claim and a Batman manipulation to kill brewha. I will think about it some more while I am at work.
I don’t really see what we get out of the Batman switch scheme. If Brewha dies, then we know that someone else has the switch, and that it is someone who was ok (actively or passively) with brewha dying. We don’t know if someone used a master switch or not. We know that scum probably watched the death, meaning the scum now knows who our Vig is. If brewha doesn’t die, then scum still knows who our Vig is, and the other switch is in the hands of someone who doesn’t care to flip the switch (whether it’s an on switch or a toggle, we still don’t know.)