Plus two out of the three people that would have to be involved in the plan, the vig and the other switch holder, can’t confirm that they’re aware of or agree to the plan.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills that anyone is even considering this.
Apologies, real life is doing its best to stop me from participating this week, I hope to catch up before Day end so for now three thoughts:
- I’m alive!
- Farewell Colby & Burby!
- I see Toejam has not posted so real life may be messing with him too, Vote Crys cause I think she’s active lurking scum
Physically via dial, or with a remote control? … Something something Technology indistinguishable from Magic…
Goddammit. I always forget watchers.
This is what I get for strategizing. That should probably be “strategizing.”
How many switches are in the game? How many switches per side?
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Do you really think we will get agreement of toggling, ever?
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Does the rest of town even care? It’s moot for most of town.
What happened was that some people went along with it, some specifically stated that they didn’t like it, and some said nothing at all on the topic. I’m not sure what else there is for me to say on the topic: I’ve already made my statement.
The plan calls for the other switch-holder to do nothing. If they’re among the absent, then presumably they’ll do nothing.
This is true. My belief is that the switches are distributed symmetrically, given that there’s so much other symmetry in the game. If that’s true, then brewha wouldn’t die from this case, and we’d have the ability to gauge peoples’ alignments by what switches they hold. If it’s not true, then we’d at least learn that.
Which would also be valuable information.
This is a risk, but it’s a risk that, at this point, we can’t avoid. If brewha is telling the truth, and if an evil faction has the other switch, then they could just kill him themselves and thus gain control over the Vig (incidentally, this is part of why a Vig should be at least somewhat unpredictable, because if the Scum know who he’s going to target, they can decide whether to mess with him).
I would hope that the Townie would be cooperating. I have no idea whether the two Scum would cooperate, but it doesn’t matter, because they turn switches off, the same state we’d get if everyone cooperates.
Re-read those powers. Town has a Watcher, who sees actions against their target. Scum have Trackers, who see actions taken by their targets. Scum only learn something here if they target the still-hidden Vig, in which case they learn the same thing they’d learn if they target him anyway. The Town guy could figure out from this who the Vig is, but I don’t mind if a Townie learns something (I’m not certain that’s the best use of the Watcher’s power, but it certainly does no harm).
Unless, of course, brewha is himself a lying Scum. And we also probably give up the chance of him killing a Townie.
If brewha is Scum, then they only way he can follow the plan is if his team really does have one of the switches. I think it’s safe to assume that they don’t have both, because it wouldn’t make sense to give a pair of switches to people who can freely coordinate their use. And they would then not know who has the other switch, and would have to at least consider the possibility that (as symmetry would suggest) the other Scum team has its mate, and would not cooperate, leaving scummy brewha dead.
Maybe, maybe not. We don’t know if any of the dead players had switches in the first place. If brewha dies (eventually, of any cause), we’d get a real test.
See my response to Biotop’s point 5: The Scum won’t learn anything useful by targeting brewha with their trackers. I don’t think they have incentive to target him with anything else, either: It wouldn’t make sense for a Doctor to protect brewha, so the Doc-killers are out; he doesn’t have a power himself, so the role-blockers are out; and the Scum protectors certainly don’t want to give their lives for him.
Then it’s going to be really easy for him to win, and so we have to trust in the mods that if such a role even exists, it’s not exclusive.
revisiting my D1 post
Red only posted the once D/N1
Koldanardid eventually vote for Lakai
** PCM ** Never returned D/N1
Innerposted 3 times D/N1
so far D2
** Red and PCM ** are still AWOL
** Koldanar **[spoiler]
[/spoiler] One post - and chastizes non posters .
** Inner **is posting toDay and I will look at those separately.
Of these, 3 of them voted ** Lakai V1 ** with little/no interaction in game.
AND no comment about the lynch of same.
I mean… I agree Scathach We are talking like mid 1960s “Ka Pow” and “Blam” call outs, “BANG!” Flag guns, and the like right? Not Danny DeVito, Jim Carrey, or Heath Ledger Batman, right?
In my opinion, Mafia games pit the Mafia’s Jack Bauer against Towns MacGyver…
This plan, at best, is Mr.Magoo.
I mean to say, aren’t we all in agreement that it is dubious to begin with? We could repeatedly do it, expecting different results.
But, I’m characterized as the insane one. Right.
As one of the scum who was seen as snuggling Colby D1, I want to point out that scum didn’t learn who the other scum were until N1. Any scum-scum snuggles were scum snuggling the unknown and the hand-waves didn’t realize they were dismissing cases on fellow scum. (Had I known he was scum, I would have been happy to bus him.)
There are also roleblockers to consider in all this…
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Taking the meta out of this, this is a really weak argument / suspicion. I’ve been out of these far too long to trust anything meta, as that could easily be a crutch for someone to point fingers.
My read is the same as what jsgoddess said - a simple repeating of what happened on Day 1.
There is no reason to assume symmetry in the distribution of switches. Furthermore, I don’t see how brewha’s aliveness or deadness proves anything regarding the symmetry of switches. It’s just as likely that some other factor influenced brewha dying or not dying. Also, even if we somehow, magically, deduce that the other switch is held by Town, that doesn’t say anything about the distribution of the other switches.
Scum have a tracker and a watcher (one-time use).
My first, second, and third reactions to this post were all “Wait, what!?”, before I realized you were talking about that other game.
Snipping for ease of reading - found my name here as I’m reading the day.
I’ll always admit I’m not vocal, a lurking habit I suppose? Here I am trying to break out now.
Chastising non-posters should happen. Plenty of people here make the point that less information out there means less for the town to go on. And in Day 1, I was one of those.
As far as the lynch goes? I still defend my choice - lakai(1)'s posts didn’t read as pro-town. The fact is, they were enough on Day 1 for me to point a finger, and I was incorrect. Mostly, it was his (did I get that right?) defense (or seeming lack thereof) that justified this for me.
I am continuing with my read of this day.
Ah, right, the Consigliere and Omega’s second powers. Which can be turned off (again, one-time use) by the Basement-Dweller, but that does make the plan considerably more complicated.
any thoughts on the other 2?
I agree with this. There are too many things that could go wrong with the “switch test” and what we gain is negligible in comparison. Biotop pointed out the list of things that have to go right for it to work out (Post 228). I’ll add the potential problem of the Enforcer:
It’s not 100% clear that this works on the switch, but it certainly might, meaning that even if the scum don’t have the switch, they may have the power to make the vigilante work.
You mean Red and PCM? Their non-posting is distinctly anti-town (note, I am not saying scummy). They need to get themselves in here and contribute - this is helping no-one.
This is what I get for posting responses as I read. It appears that the Enforcer will not work.
With brewha’s magic bag already open, I don’t think we risk too much for trying the switch gambit, with the exception of the possibility of the one-time Scum watcher getting a chance at discovering Batman’s identity by way of watching Brewha. It actually would set up a nice little stand off between Batman and the Scum watcher and I’d be just fine with Batman playing that standoff however he/she wants and potentially wasting the Scum’s one time watch. This of course assumes that Batman is paying attention to the game…