This. I used to get voted off relatively early in games in the middle of my mafia career for playing SUPER aggressive and combative. So I stopped doing that.
This was just me misunderstanding what jsgoddess was saying. I thought she was saying that my vote on Colby was a policy vote, when I thought clearly it was not.
I would almost always prefer to vote someone I thought was scummy, over a policy vote. But I will make policy votes, as I did with my vote on Normal early on D1.
It’s really not like two Days though. The difference being when the flips occur. Usually we can take the first flip into account before voting the second Day.
Chronos, I have been giving you crap all game, but I can’t argue with this. The false claim play makes absolutely no sense from brewha, but I don’t see how one of his posts is not a lie.
I agree with the first part: a mass claim of Town Vanilla folk won’t really benefit us at all.
I also agree with the second part, for different reasons:
I doubt the switches were handed out to power roles within town
I doubt the switch disclaimers (so far) are scum
If I am right, scum now has a smaller pool of “targets” (presuming that scum actually will target power roles first)
The specificity of brewha’s claim has put a large target on his back. If scum have a second switch, it is in their interest to offsky him and, that way, control when Batman will be able or not to kill.
Remember, the mods delayed the start of D1 because they were still doing “behind the scenes things”, which they explicitly said was not setting up the Scum boards. I believe that the delay was for them to send out all of the switch PMs, which means they should all have been out by the start of D1, and should certainly have been out by three days into D1.
I’m not completely feeling the Brewha love at the moment. He produced his claim and his pm as evidence against Chronos’s assumptions of how the buttons were placed. if he wasn’t ready to claim earlier, then, of course he would say nothing. I will wait to hear how Brewha responds before joining any vote in that area.
Currently my suspicions lay with:
Captain Klutz, for his claim for the scum button. I still do not see how that is not a slip.
Yes, it’s the lynching another player without having had the benefit of information from a second NK to adjust the target that makes me nervous. That being said, in this game, we get multiple deaths so perhaps with the multilynch, it’s no different than a regular game except twice as many people should expect to die every dusk and dawn.
Do you consider that difference significant enough to eschew the second-Lynch entirely? What about the fact that this so-called-second-day occurs without an intervening Night and scum-kill nor scum being able to kill during the second ‘day’? To me, those are pretty big advantages compared to not knowing the results of the primary day.
First off, “Scum wouldn’t do that” is a terrible argument. Second, you’re ignoring that there are other purposes to a vote (especially when Scum is doing it) that have nothing to do with whether or not the vote target is eventually lynched. Putting pressure on a potential Town power role in order to force a claim is a perfectly valid reason for a Scum vote.
When I first read this, I dismissed your reasoning because it seemed reasonable for
even a Townie to keep something under their hat like this.
Then I read Brewha’s post again. There was no reason for him to specifically deny having any information about the switches, he could have left that line out entirely. That’s not a Townie making a white lie, that’s deliberate deception. It seems completely possible he made that assessment as scum with a town switch, and was trying to drip a bit of truth to make himself look good later.
It’s not the best case in the world, but it’s by far the best case I’ve seen in this game so far.
But… but… but… you JUST said that you think Captain Klutz already picked up on the soft claim and already thought septimus was a Town Power. Why would scummy Captain Klutz care beyond that? Do you actually think scum care which one?
No! It’s not a valid reason for a scum vote. It’s a terrible reason! Would you do that as scum? I wouldn’t. I would just shut up, hope septimus gets lynched, and kill him at Night (or Day) if he doesn’t.
I’m not sure that Brewha is a danger to town. I know I’m putting a huge target on my back right now, but I can possibly confirm myself and Brewha if you guys would allow me to do so. I am a non hostile 3rd party. I am able to do one investigation per night until I find another of my group. Once I find them I no longer have that power. I have no problem using my investigation to investigate Brewha. If she comes back to my 3rd party she also will have my same win condition. We ARE NOT win stealers and non hostile so we can win with any faction. I want to win with town. So hopefully we can work together.
You got me. Yes I lied. And what sucks is that I realized it as soon as I posted that.
I’m 100% on the wagon that town should never lie. And if someone is caught in a lie, it’s a scum tell.
I absolutely should not have stated that I had no evidence to the contrary - but once I posted it, I really didn’t have much for options.
I could edit the post - but that looks scummy.
I could have posted that yes I do have evidence to the contrary - which would have looked better had I admitted it before I was caught in a lie - but I didn’t want to do a full claim yet, and didn’t want to pull a magic bag.
Bad play on my part - but can we go ahead and not lynch me today? Good chance that I’ll be dead by morning. Whether the vig was going to target me or not before, good chance he’ll change his mind if I thinks I’m a liar.
