Hopefully they respond. I’d hate for the game to just fizzle out.
With but half an hour to go I see the count as:
Inner Stickler - 7 votes
TexCat - 4 votes
J Bravo - 3 votes
Hal B - 2 votes
and 4 singletons. 20 votes total. Will an exciting EoD breathe fresh life into the game?
Except that saying “I’m not a Cop” is not going to get Scum thinking about the possibility. It’s going to do exactly the opposite. The most likely outcome is that Scum is just going to say to themselves “Town don’t lie, ergo, that guy isn’t the Cop”. And even if they do get past that and say “But wait, Røøsh is weird, maybe he is lying after all”, then they’re still not going to bother killing you; they’ll just wait for the lie to be revealed and let Town do it for them.
Hi guys. I guess I can hang out here now. And once I get spoiled, I’ll see some of you over there as well.
Oh, and ThingFish’s algorithm doesn’t seem to be doing all that hot so far. I was town and in the middle, Hal seems to be scum based on MHaye’s reveal, and he’s the bottom scummy in the algorithm.
Well, at least you know where your Bat-Towel is.
No. It shouldn’t. And this is horrible town strategy. Town lynching third parties might help them win, but it will certainly help scum win. Barring Serial Killers, which are typically much more of a liability for town, third parties should be left for scum. In fact, I will happily lose to a third party if it prevents a scum win. Because scum will always further their win condition by killing third parties. And town will always further scum’s win condition by lynching third parties. Scum taking out town power roles is icing on a cake. The cake is the kill itself.
So if scum want to play third-party chicken, I will happily play that game with them. Because they don’t hurt themselves by killing third parties. Town does. This is basic game theory. It’s why I (correctly so far) predicted that Crys’s bandwagon was full of scum. (Note: I’m not spoiled yet, so there’s no perfect information.) I have a feeling a few more scum are still on that wagon. Right now as of the reveals, the percentage of scum is noticeably higher than dumb luck.
I don’t think I’ll ever understand Town’s burning desire to take out non-killing third parties.
Note that Captain Klutz specifically said hostile third parties (i.e., like serial killers).
True. But any third party that wins exclusive to town is hostile. It doesn’t mean they’re a direct danger to town outside of the win condition. The only reason to lynch hostile third party is if the nature of their power and its use helps scum more than it helps town. (As serial killers usually do by the nature that their win condition is essentially a simile of the scum’s win condition.)
As I said, I will willingly lose to a hostile third party that is not a direct threat to town if scum aren’t willing to buck up and deal with them.
Well, it depends on just how the win condition works, and how close each team is to their win condition. And unfortunately, Town (or, granted, Scum) doesn’t usually know what a hostile 3rd’s win condition is, so some degree of caution is necessary.
I’m happy to hear you say that, and I agree (obviously).
One of the big difficulties I had against claiming was guessing how the Vig would react. I absolutely agree with your logic, but there is always that bit where the Vig could kill a third party ‘just in case,’ which worried me greatly.
I used to be on the side of eliminating Third Parties just in case, but we had a game at some point where it became apparent in hindsight that that was a really bad move. Perhaps Town just needs a little more experience.
I don’t believe Ender’s claim. I can’t accept that he would investigate someone who was in danger of being lynched or mod killed or both, that just isn’t sound investigative journalism.
For what it’s worth, I’ve always held a philosophy of not worrying about non-hostile third parties. Yes, there’s the possibility that they’ll try to win with Scum instead of winning with Town, but you prevent that by hunting Scum: They’re going to try to win with whoever looks like is most likely, so you make sure that that’s Town. Or try to, at least, but given that that’s what you’re trying to do anyway, I don’t see that third parties change the equation.
On the other hand, I’ve found in the past that focusing excessively on third parties, or focusing on one particular faction in a multi-Scum game, is often a Scum tell (though that’s not as useful in a game like this one where there’s no major difference between the factions). Going after third parties, for a Scum, means going after not-us, while at the same time having the cover of “but they’re not Town”.
In my very first game, for instance, Scarlet Letter, I (eventually, too late to do any good) noticed that every single post by Rysto was about hunting for Sinners, with none at all about hunting for Murderers (he was a Murderer). Granted, the Sinners were win-stealers, and I think he was sincere about being more worried about them, but that’s still pretty extreme.
Arrgh. And now Guiri!? What the hell, am I the crazy one?
I’m not following you. You say you don’t believe Ender. Guiri likewise expresses suspicion of him. And you conclude from this that “you’re the crazy one”?
(and aren’t you spoiled now?)
Maybe I’m misreading Guiri, but I read it as thinking Ender’s decision to investigate ToeJam was plausible, which I feel is the opposite.
I’m not spoiled. (Well I am, but not in the the game sense)
I’m a-gonna guess toDay we have a quick bandwagon on Cookie, and nothing else much happens. Unfortunately.
I’m OK with a 50% success rate thus far.
raventhief replaces Hoopy on the scum list, the other seven are the same.
It certainly isn’t, but people do make odd decisions in this game sometimes.
You think town is going to pursue a possible sk case over a possible mafia case? Man I know town is playing bad, but that’s REALLY bad decision making if you are right. Take the mafia over the sk 10 times out of 10.
Well, I’ve been wrong all through this game. Why start now?