Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes

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Shadow re your post 401 I think I’ve already explained my post enough times so there’s no point reiterating it other than the nudge nudge, wink wink has me wanting to watch Monty Python now :slight_smile: I’ve read the Mafia boards but not the SDMB ones so I’ll have to take your word that it looked like a tactic previously used on here.

Oredigger, in your post 433 you use lurking as a reason to vote for me:

Well of course I was reading. I have been reading regularly. I’m pretty sure that’s what we’re supposed to do though correct me if I’m wrong. I didn’t see any point in posting unless I had something useful to say or if I needed to defend myself.

I actually like your Vote The Lurkers theory a lot better than your Mass Name Claim theory, at least for the first Day or so or until we get some useful information. But although your vote for Squid seems innocent - he’s got no votes against him right now so he’s pretty safe - your vote for me doesn’t. If you’re suspicious of me I wish you’d just come out and say it rather than tacking me onto the end and using the Lurker reason for voting me and thereby avoid having to explain yourself in the event of my death. If this were the only vote against me I’d probably have thought nothing of it but it isn’t so I’m not happy with it.

And not to keep repeating myself or anything but I’m a she!

Anyway time to vote:

My biggest suspicion right now is Diggit. Not because he was suspicious of me but because the ‘proof’ he used to back up those suspicions were false. (See his post 365 and my reply post 378). As he hasn’t come back with an explanation my first vote goes to him.

1 Vote Diggit

And as I said, without any other major suspicions (I’ll give Oredigger a chance to respond) here’s a couple of lurkers who don’t have a vote against them yet:

2 Vote Flyfisheron - he’s posted a few times but without really saying anything.

3 Vote Total Lost - she’s asked a lot of questions but again, that’s about it. The only thing I remember her doing of any significance was to ask whether Rysto’s post could’ve been lost because of the boards going haywire.

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Ah sorryabout the sex mix up.

I think the main reason to vote for lurkers is to force them to participate. This doesn’t work if they are away from the thread because they never see the vote so it can’t encourage them to post. On the other hand if people are reading along but not sharing their thoughts voting for them can make a difference. For example, you. You were reading along, I vote for you and not only do you defend yourself but you place votes. Since I accomplished my goal I’ll:

Unvote AH

I’m on my phone so I’ll reread tomorrow and replace my third vote.

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Yikes. Oh well have a little time right now. Have only been able to kind of do top level reads so if I get nailed for a skim then so be it.

I can only gather that the case against me is primarily being inconsistent.

The only place I see any inconsistencies are:

Voting Rysto because of the whole PM thing. In my defense that was created by our MOD.

First, he got his PM but claims he didn’t. Vote like a Mofo.

Second, well maybe he didn’t so he could be correct. Reconsider.

The other is probably just semantics but for the scum inclined enough of a reason to try to take a townie out. In talking about pre v post set and prior v current game claims. I was merely trying to convey alignment in the previous has no bearing on the subsequent if done honestly. However, lying about something previous does have bearing on the current situation.

Ah, to heck with it. It makes sense to me in my head but not so much in print.

And the whole Sarah thing is confusing. For the next wee bit she is town. As others have pointed out, unless she has a win conditiom different than town, she’ll mod kill before she starts to have an anti town impact.

Off to Nassau Bay. Now I am nervous because that phuquing Cantori has set up shop in Galveston. Knew we shouldn’t have even bothered with CC when the TWC trucks were spotted around 610.

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Vote Count!

Complete Votes:
CatInASuit: 1. Santo Rugger, 2. storyteller, 3. peeker
Storyteller: 1. NBC, 2. NAF, 3. peeker
Cookies: 1. peeker, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. Cookies
Diggit Camera: 1. Almost Human, 2. NBC, 3. CatInASuit
Zsofia: 1. Rysto, 2. NBC, 3. Peeker
Thing Fish: 1. Zsofia, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. NBC
NAF: 1. Zsofia, 2. Almost Human, 3. Squidio
Almost Human: 1. DiggitCamera, 2. Flyfisheron, 3. Total Lost

Incomplete Votes:
Blaster Master: 1. peeker
OaOW: 1. Santo Rugger
Digger: 1. NBC, 2. Squidio
NOTE: INCOMPLETE VOTES DO NOT COUNT TOWARDS DUSK TALLIES

Extra Effects:
Sarah Connor is currently intimidtating anyone voting for CatInASuit.
Totals:
NBC: (11) (Storyteller 1st, Digger 1st, Zsofia 2nd, Diggit Camera 2nd, Thing Fish 3rd)
Santo Rugger: (10) (OaOW 1st, CatInASuit 1st, Cookies 2nd, Thing Fish 2nd)
Peeker: (9) (BlaM 1st, Cookies 1st, Storyteller 3rd, CatInASuit 3rd, Zsofia 3rd)
Zsofia: (6) (Thing Fish 1st, NAF 1st)
Almost Human: (5) (Diggit Camera 1st, NAF 2nd)
Rysto: (3) (Zsofia 1st)
Storyteller: (3) (CatInASuit 2nd, Storyteller 3rd)
Squidio: (3) (Digger 2nd, NAF 3rd)
Diggit Camera: (3) (Almost Human 1st)
Flyfisheron: (2) (Almost Human 2nd)
NAF: (2) (Storyteller 2nd)
Total Lost: (1) (Almost Human 3rd)
Cookies: (1) (Cookies 3rd)
CatInASuit: (-2) (Sarah Connor Special Effect, Diggit Camera 3rd)
To Digger: Yes, the roleblocker would prevent insanity

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That is interesting. Since sarah can be blocked she is now a protown role with no downside. As long as the t-800 is alive the roleblocker can keep her harmless while allowing proven town to have an extra #1 vote. If keeping her alive is an issue we can use the roleblocking doc to keep her harmless and alive. But instead of jumping in the molten metal now she needs to admit so we can verify the claim. Unless I’m missing something.

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And I can so get down with a Lynch the Lurker strategy. I just don’t bring it up anymore since it gets talked about theoretically but is nuked down in practice, in my experience.

People who post a modicum are always subjected to the most minor inconsistencies.

Frequent Poster I really liked that French reataurant I ate at last night.

Naysayer (i.e scum). You said it was Italian

Frequent Poster. Oops, you are correct.

Naysayer(i.e. scum) Lying scum. Vote Frequent Poster

This game is supposed to be about interaction but those that interact the least get basically no scrutiny and get a pass. Kind of an anti Dobson’s Particle conundrum.

<Color not stripped to phuq with the Mods>

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Interfuckinginteresting.

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Well, the downside is that it ties up the roleblocker (which isn’t a terribly pro town power, for the most part, I’ll admit). But it doesn’t do any good to keep Sarah alive hoping the scum will try to kill her, if they already know exactly who they are. And I think tying up a doc to protect her is a bad use of resources. YMMV
[oog]I scored an open container ticket about 2.5 minutes after we parted ways on Saturday, so I’ll probably be headed up there next week to take care of it. Lame-o! Stupid Budweiser, I literally forgot it was there when I got back into my car![/oog]

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I’m starting to see the logic in Ruggers call for SC to claim and for us to vote her off. In all honesty, in Days 1 and 2 I don’t see her as being stronger than a .5 to the town, however the benefit to the Scum starts to become overly powerful to the Scum in Day3.

Starting off as ‘vanilla Scum’, I still have difficulty regarding the reassignment of roles without revealing possible quirks of the ‘gifted’ scum.

AH - I’m not sure if you are just trying to drag me in with a vote, or are genuinely concerned with my trying to get up to speed with this new group.

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Thanks sachertorte, I hate homework :stuck_out_tongue:

I checked out Conspiracy 2 again. A brief skim read to refresh the memory. In terms what occured it is possibly a bit of a null tell considering that half the players were scum. Both scum and town were opposed heavily to it apart from a couple of exceptions like storyteller, who preferred to try and pick it apart. Also, only **Santo Rugger **was in favour of it. He organised a vote on it, but it pretty much fizzled out after a while as nearly everyone was saying no at that point.

So my thoughts on it. I hate second guessing myself.

My feeling is that **Santo **is scummy as his initial proposal was IMHO pro-scum (Day 1 free lynch for scum removing confirmable role) and there was a certain amount of handwaving around some of the details (toDay/toMorrow as an example). Saying he is town because he has proposed such an idea is WIFOM, but I can understand your point about the way the town reacts to such ideas. Then again, **Santo Rugger **is the kind of player to try something new :wink:

I need a re-read. :confused:

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And now I try and re-create my post from yesterday and also try to remember to copy it before clicking the submit button.

Santo Rugger:
I don’t remember which ideas I posted earlier and which parts were new for my post that got eaten. I think I outlined my “town tell” thoughts on Santo Rugger. But I also wanted to point out that the existence of the Jester makes for a troubling twist to the usual ‘town tell.’ To put it quickly, bringing up a bad idea and pushing it is a plausible Jester action. So while I still think Santo Rugger’s actions are “town tell” the existence of the Jester mitigates my trust of that feeling.

NBC:
The jist of my thoughts was I agree and disagree with certain aspects of Storyteller’s case against NBC. The part that I’m particularly wary of is the accusation of inconsistency. I feel that we, as human beings, are inconsistent by nature. That is, we are all hypocritical and the notion that Town will be always consistent is a false idea. I know in the past I’ve pointed to “inconsistency” == scum and was wrong. Furthermore, Blaster Master pointed to purported inconsistency in OAOW when he pushed for OAOW’s lynch in Cecilvania. Simply put, Town is just as likely to say something inconsistent as scum (perhaps even more so because Town does not self-censor nearly as much as scum do). So i reject storyteller’s argument that NBC’s inconsistent statements demonstrate scumness.
However, the tone and motivation analysis (trying to smear me) is a valid point. But it was about me, so my perspective is skewed on that point.

peekercpa:
My reaction to peekercpa’s irrational attack on me is to think “Town.” However, the point that was brought up that peekercpa threw out an accusation towards Blaster Master and storyteller about “fake arguing” when they hadn’t interacted at all is troubling and really really strange. Furthermore I agree with the assessment that ‘peeker is all over the place.’ Unfortunately, the notion that peekercpa is always like that is valid as well. Overall, I find this troubling. From a personal standpoint, playing in a random, impossible to follow fashion is great for him so that no one can tell if he is scum or town. That is, by putting up a false front always, you end up playing the game the same way regardless of alignment. This irks me. On a selfish note, I wouldn’t mind lynching peekercpa simply to remove the need to try and comprehend his posts.
[Sidenote: I was initially suspicious of storyteller for not catching peekercpa’s smear on him and Blaster Master. But when I re-read the thread I missed peekercpa’s post again too. Basically, I’m reduced to skimming his posts.]

NAF:
I’m voting for NAF.
Rysto was especially sensitive to my thoughts regarding the reset. NAF much less so. NAF was very accomodating and nice. Even with our latest exchange, NAF is very placid and conciliatory; apologetic even. My feeling is Town is more likely to be confrontational than scum, who are more reasonable and light footed. Furthermore scum are more easy going. NAF has been very nice. Too nice. So yeah, I’m voting for NAF because he has been far too nice to me.
Bullet points:

  • NAF reacted very cooly to the idea that he is more likely to be scum than regular population due to the reset circumstances. Rysto by contrast went ballistic.
  • NAF’s statements regarding Santo Rugger and that lynching Santo Rugger can only be pro scum motivated.
  • NAF’s conciliatory reaction to my reaction to NAF’s statement regarding Santo Rugger.

1. vote NAF
2. vote
3. vote Squid

Squid is a throwaway vote. I openly admit that. I don’t have a lot of scum candidates. I’ll probably toss #2 to MHaye since apparently I hate him, or to DiggitCamara because apparently I alway think he is scum. :smiley:

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I’m sorry? Because I am not acting batshit insane I have to be scum?

I am in no mood for this shit today
**
unvote all

  1. sach
  2. Zsofia
  3. Almost Human**
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**1. Diggit Camera
2. ShadowFacts
3. Zsofia
**

Purely based on lynch the lurker.
We’ve got a lot of point-counterpoint going on, but I’m getting a bit of tunnel vision on my pet theory, so have been focusing my time towards discussion of it.

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Vote Count!

Complete Votes:
CatInASuit: 1. Santo Rugger, 2. storyteller, 3. peeker
Storyteller: 1. NBC, 2. NAF, 3. peeker
Cookies: 1. peeker, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. Cookies
Diggit Camera: 1. Almost Human, 2. NBC, 3. CatInASuit
Zsofia: 1. Rysto, 2. NBC, 3. Peeker
Thing Fish: 1. Zsofia, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. NBC
NAF: 1. Sach, 2. Zsofia, 3. Almost Human
Almost Human: 1. DiggitCamera, 2. Flyfisheron, 3. Total Lost
Santo Rugger: 1. DiggitCamera, 2. ShadowFacts, 3. Zsofia

Incomplete Votes:
Blaster Master: 1. peeker
OaOW: 1. Santo Rugger
Digger: 1. NBC, 2. Squidio
Sach: 1. NAF, 3. Squidio
NOTE: INCOMPLETE VOTES DO NOT COUNT TOWARDS DUSK TALLIES

Extra Effects:
Sarah Connor is currently intimidtating anyone voting for CatInASuit.
Totals:
NBC: (11) (Storyteller 1st, Digger 1st, Zsofia 2nd, Diggit Camera 2nd, Thing Fish 3rd)
Santo Rugger: (10) (OaOW 1st, CatInASuit 1st, Cookies 2nd, Thing Fish 2nd)
Peeker: (9) (BlaM 1st, Cookies 1st, Storyteller 3rd, CatInASuit 3rd, Zsofia 3rd)
Diggit Camera: (6) (Almost Human 1st, Santo Rugger 1st)
Zsofia: (6) (Thing Fish 1st, NAF 2st, Santo Rugger 3rd)
NAF: (5) (Sach 1st, Storyteller 2nd)
Almost Human: (4) (Diggit Camera 1st, NAF 3nd)
Sach: (3) (NAF 1st)
Squidio: (3) (Digger 2nd, Sach 3rd)
Rysto: (3) (Zsofia 1st)
Storyteller: (3) (CatInASuit 2nd, Storyteller 3rd)
ShadowFacts: (2) (Santo Rugger 2nd)
Flyfisheron: (2) (Almost Human 2nd)
Total Lost: (1) (Almost Human 3rd)
Cookies: (1) (Cookies 3rd)
CatInASuit: (-2) (Sarah Connor Special Effect, Diggit Camera 3rd)

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#1 Zsofia - because of her Rysto vote. I did state in an previous post, that I would do so - and she has been posting since, but not changing her vote or even tried to change my mind

#2 Almost Human - not just because of her vote for me, but partly. I don’t like it one bit, that she is voting only for players who know her and her “style” of playing. I just don’t see why, she would go only for us on from the facebook-group - making me think, she’s trying to hide something that players (who know her well) could see…

#3 Diggit Camara - mostly because I’m not quite happy about people voting without reasons - and to vote without that many posts (or questions) I think is good enough reason for the 3. vote on Day 1

So
VOTE

  1. Zsofia
  2. Almost Human
  3. Diggit Camara

And I try never to vote in my last post of the Day - so every one I voted for will get my attention, if they got something to say to my votes :slight_smile:

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Can someone give the damn hamsters some Ritalin? As feared, I am only having time to do a quick skim and then am likely done for the Day.

Anyway, what I think you are missing is that if Sarah is roleblocked she won’t get the extra vote, so she would just be vanilla Town. I assume, however, that she would still be protected by the T-800 (since that is really his power rather than hers), so that’s something. This seems like as good a use as any for our roleblocker, since the scum only have two power roles and if we knew who they were we could just kill them (or wait a few Days and then kill them in the case of the Jester). Speaking of which, does anyone have any experience playing in games with Jesters? I am feeling uncertain how to approach this wrinkle.

And in other news, I’m not going to change my vote now, but the nearly half of you who have STILL not cast complete votes with less than 21 hours to go will definitely be getting the Fin of Suspicion Tomorrow.

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  1. Zsofia
  2. Storyteller
  3. Peekercpa

Zsofia for the Rysto malarky
Storyteller because he went to extraordinary lengths to twist my post around
Peekercpa mostly because of the storyteller blaster master fake arguing.

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The role blocker only can block one role that’s worth anything the T-1000 SA. The vanilla T-1000 don’t have any powers to block and the Jester’s power only works if he’s lynched. So there is less then a 5% chance that the roleblockers will do any good. I think that giving up that 5% chance is worth first of all have a confirmed town role and secondly giving that town role double the voting power. If the T-800 is killed and we have to use the Doc blocker to protect her we would lose a random protection but we would gain the powers of whoever would have been protected. Unfortunately the blocker doc will prevent the town from using its powers so that role can be harmful to the town as well so this prevents the blocking of pro-town powers. The more I think about it the better this idea seems.

::after reading Thing’s post:: Sarah’s extra vote is a day power (that’s why its working during Day 1) and the blocks are night powers they shouldn’t effect the extra vote but apparently her driving people insane happens at night.

Let me get this straight not only have you not been swayed by the fact that we would waste a lynch and she can suicide but you come to the conclusion after there is a possibility of blocking her pro-scum power.

Unvote All

**
Vote 1; NBC
Vote 2; Flyfisheron
Vote 3; Boozy**

[oog] That sucks man but I’ll be out of town at a school in Lafayette or running from hurricanes, I think we’re going to be down playing you guys on October 10th though.[/oog]

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Well Crap…I got halfway through a read the other day…then just plain forgot I was even involved in this game. I know I have to make some posts, and at least a vote before Noon (EST) tomorrow, but I don’t know that my vote even can be well informed at this point :frowning: Dammit.

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Well, I’m not thrilled about my Rysto vote, but what do we really have to go on on Day 1? I don’t think anybody’s candidates are really compelling.