And NETA - the more I think about it the more I suspect there’s more to Sarah Connor than meets the eye. With the information we’ve been given, assuming she wins with the Town why would she not suicide before she starts driving people crazy (unless Town deaths are such that our power roles are decimated)? It seems likely to me that either she has a different win condition or that she has something else going on. In one of those cases, we shouldn’t lynch her, and in the other one (different win condition) it’s the same toss-up as now.
Life sucks sometimes.
Yesterday I wasn’t paying much attention to the game.
Today I’ve had a headache since about 4pm, and when it gets like this the first board that I give up reading is the Dope - because the bright white background is just what the doctor didn’t order for a migraine.
So I have 19 hours to produce a vote, and whether I will succeed in finishing my reread is an open question.
My comments up to post 250.
The discussion on scum quirks arising from the reset. I can’t see how any player can risk a falsehood regarding the powers they had. Everything said by the pre-reset scum to this point was revealed in the rules anyway.
Sarah Connor.
Santo’s suggestion is based on speculation about what Sarah’s madness ability might do. When I tried to think about it, the question had too many variables to admit of an easy solution. We don’t know what the gamestate will be at the start of Day 3 when the first person loses their power.
I think this discussion would be better Tomorrow; then we’ll have two deaths under our belt, and will have a better idea of the likely gamestate at Day Three’s Dawn.
The one thing that twinged my antenna was peekercpa’s suggestion that Storyteller and BlaM staged their back-and-forth. I didn’t think that was the case.
Enough for a vote? Not right now. I’m going to try and read the thread, subject to the headache easing. I’m not going to fight it if it gets really bad though. Sorry.
Vote Count!
Complete Votes:
CatInASuit: 1. Santo Rugger, 2. storyteller, 3. peeker
Storyteller: 1. NBC, 2. NAF, 3. peeker
Cookies: 1. peeker, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. Cookies
Diggit Camera: 1. Almost Human, 2. NBC, 3. CatInASuit
Zsofia: 1. Rysto, 2. NBC, 3. Peeker
Thing Fish: 1. Zsofia, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. NBC
NAF: 1. Sach, 2. Zsofia, 3. Almost Human
Almost Human: 1. DiggitCamera, 2. Flyfisheron, 3. Total Lost
Santo Rugger: 1. DiggitCamera, 2. ShadowFacts, 3. Zsofia
Total Lost: 1. Zsofia, 2. Almost Human, 3. DiggitCamera
NBC: 1. Zsofia, 2. Storyteller, 3. peeker
Digger: 1. NBC, 2. Flyfisheron, 3. Squidio
Incomplete Votes:
Blaster Master: 1. peeker
OaOW: 1. Santo Rugger
Sach: 1. NAF, 3. Squidio
NOTE: INCOMPLETE VOTES DO NOT COUNT TOWARDS DUSK TALLIES
Extra Effects:
Sarah Connor is currently intimidtating anyone voting for CatInASuit.
Totals:
Zsofia: (12) (Thing Fish 1st, Total Lost 1st, NBC 1st, NAF 2st, Santo Rugger 3rd)
NBC: (11) (Storyteller 1st, Digger 1st, Zsofia 2nd, Diggit Camera 2nd, Thing Fish 3rd)
Santo Rugger: (10) (OaOW 1st, CatInASuit 1st, Cookies 2nd, Thing Fish 2nd)
Peeker: (10) (BlaM 1st, Cookies 1st, Storyteller 3rd, CatInASuit 3rd, Zsofia 3rd, NBC 3rd)
Diggit Camera: (7) (Almost Human 1st, Santo Rugger 1st, Total Lost 3rd)
Almost Human: (6) (Diggit Camera 1st, Total Lost 2nd, NAF 3nd)
NAF: (5) (Sach 1st, Storyteller 2nd)
Storyteller: (5) (NBC 2nd, CatInASuit 2nd, Storyteller 3rd)
Flyfisheron: (4) (Almost Human 2nd, Digger 2nd)
Sach: (3) (NAF 1st)
Rysto: (3) (Zsofia 1st)
Squidio: (2) (Digger 3nd, Sach 3rd)
ShadowFacts: (2) (Santo Rugger 2nd)
Total Lost: (1) (Almost Human 3rd)
Cookies: (1) (Cookies 3rd)
CatInASuit: (-2) (Sarah Connor Special Effect, Diggit Camera 3rd)
This is a correct guess, but for the wrong reasons.
The vote is a day power, though it must be specified around dawn (why? Because I already have to keep track of the pol’s extra vote and I don’t want to lose track of things). The insanity happens at dawn, and roleblocking wears off immeadeatly after dawn.
Anyway, because the T-1000’s have to specify a killer as well as a target, the roleblocker can hit this person to stop the nightkill. Generally this happens, but I’m not sure I mentioned it and I’m tired of things I didn’t mention biting me in the butt.
Hell’s bells! I totally forgot about this game… which means, naturally, that everyone has to throw their needly votes on me. What’d I ever do to you guys.
I’ll reread and post anything I can think of later tonight. If, as usual on Day One, I am not really seeing anything, I’m making up an OMGUS ballot.
Every day around this time (i.e. about 24 to 12 hours before day ends) I’m going to post the votecount as dusk would have it. Remember–incomplete votes don’t count come dusk.
Here’s todays:
Votes:
CatInASuit: 1. Santo Rugger, 2. storyteller, 3. peeker
Storyteller: 1. NBC, 2. NAF, 3. peeker
Cookies: 1. peeker, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. Cookies
Diggit Camera: 1. Almost Human, 2. NBC, 3. CatInASuit
Zsofia: 1. Rysto, 2. NBC, 3. Peeker
Thing Fish: 1. Zsofia, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. NBC
NAF: 1. Sach, 2. Zsofia, 3. Almost Human
Almost Human: 1. DiggitCamera, 2. Flyfisheron, 3. Total Lost
Santo Rugger: 1. DiggitCamera, 2. ShadowFacts, 3. Zsofia
Total Lost: 1. Zsofia, 2. Almost Human, 3. DiggitCamera
NBC: 1. Zsofia, 2. Storyteller, 3. peeker
Digger: 1. NBC, 2. Flyfisheron, 3. Squidio
Sarah Connor is currently intimidtating anyone voting for CatInASuit.
Totals:
Zsofia: (12) (Thing Fish 1st, Total Lost 1st, NBC 1st, NAF 2st, Santo Rugger 3rd)
NBC: (11) (Storyteller 1st, Digger 1st, Zsofia 2nd, Diggit Camera 2nd, Thing Fish 3rd)
Santo Rugger: (7) (CatInASuit 1st, Cookies 2nd, Thing Fish 2nd)
Peeker: (7) (Cookies 1st, Storyteller 3rd, CatInASuit 3rd, Zsofia 3rd, NBC 3rd)
Diggit Camera: (7) (Almost Human 1st, Santo Rugger 1st, Total Lost 3rd)
Almost Human: (6) (Diggit Camera 1st, Total Lost 2nd, NAF 3nd)
Storyteller: (5) (NBC 2nd, CatInASuit 2nd, Storyteller 3rd)
Flyfisheron: (4) (Almost Human 2nd, Digger 2nd)
Sach: (3) (NAF 1st)
Rysto: (3) (Zsofia 1st)
NAF: (2) (Storyteller 2nd)
ShadowFacts: (2) (Santo Rugger 2nd)
Total Lost: (1) (Almost Human 3rd)
Cookies: (1) (Cookies 3rd)
Squidio: (1) (Digger 3nd)
You?! Somehow I’m leading the league even though I haven’t done a damned thing! I’ve been so busy I’ve hardly even been able to keep up and I look around and everybody’s voting for me! Me more than NBC!
Up to post 350.
After this 100 posts, I’m suspicious of NBC basically because of posts [post=10163415]257[/post] and [post=10164289]278[/post]. In the first he U-turned in the space of three paragraphs, and in the second he claimed Storyteller’s attack on him (post 260) was because he had attacked Sachertorte. That defence I dod not find convincing.
I’m also suspicious of Rysto, but only a little. If there is a scum role with a quirk that, if the Town learned of it would cripple the scum, it is most likely to be the model 206. Assuming such a quirk exists, when pedescribe was forced to reset the game he would have to take care that the news of the quirk that Rysto knew about never got to the ears of the Town. So he would have assigned Rysto a scum role.
It must be noted that, at the time of the reset, pedescribe had no reason whatever to believe Rysto had never received the role PM; the assignment of roles would have taken place under the assumption that Rysto had received and read his role PM. It would be unfair to act otherwise.
It’s highly metagamey, and not worth more than one point on the vote.
Informally then, my vote list looks like this :[ol][li]NaturalBlondChap[/li][li]?[/li]Rysto[/ol]When I can finish the reread (which looks like tomorrow) I’ll place a vote.
(bolding mine)
I find the inconsistency between these two posts to be greatly troubling. As soon as I have a third candidate worked out I’ll place my votes; I’ll do this before going to bed.
What I meant was, I don’t really think people’s arguments against NBC have a ton to go on, but there seems to be a lot more discussion of that and agreement between people on that than there has of me. Nobody’s talked about me at all but being at the top of people’s votes has put me into the hot seat.
1. Vote Zsofia
2. Vote NBC
3. Vote CIAS
I’m voting for Zsofia based on the inconsistency I just brought up. I acknowledge her response, but I don’t believe that she’s telling the truth. I’m voting for NBC because what Zsofia said doesn’t make much sense as a scum slip unless the case against NBC has some legs to it. The vote for CIAS is purely a placeholder vote. If the Day ends before I can replace it I know that this vote can’t hurt anything.
Of the other vote leaders, I don’t find Santo suspicious for advocating something I believe is a bad idea. Disagreement on strategy is not a scum tell. The main thing that I’ve seen brought up against peeker is his statement that the back-and-forth between story and BLaM seemed contrived, when in fact story and BLaM haven’t been arguing at all. I put this down to a misunderstanding: peeker never said that they were arguing. Among those of us who’ve played for some time, that’s the natural way for us to interpret that statement, but it isn’t what he said and we need to be aware that the newer players don’t know the history between long-time players like story and BLaM. Finally, on my last read-through I didn’t really notice any arguments against Diggit, other than his odd assertion that sach always finds him scummy. I can’t think of any scum motivation for deliberately lying about such a thing, so I’m inclined to dismiss it.
ToMorrow I will try to go through the game again to find a third candidate for my vote.
And ladies and gentlemen I certainly don’t want to do anything un copacetic so while it’s still nuts I will at least get a vote down early enough that it does’t look like scum manipulation. Because of circumstances I have really only be doing cursory checks for the last couple of days. RL does intrude (and if Ike keeps moving east I’ll be posting from Portugal the next time I can check in). I’ve got to go back to my first impression.
**1. Vote Sach
2. Vote Rysto
3. Vote story
**
The last one is a kind of a throwaway but is consistent with the way I have always approached this game.
No offense intended Blam but he is scarrier to me than you are.
OK, although I have not had as much time as I would like to devote to this game, I have seen a few things and posted about them, so I really need to get a vote down before it gets too late.
Voting:
1. Zsofia
For reasons that I outlined in this post. Just a short while ago, she claims that no one has talked about her - she’s just been accumulating votes for no reason, yet she didn’t bother to respond to my (substantive, I think) comments.
2. Almost Human
For reasons that I outlined in this post. Not nearly as compelling as Zsofia, but that’s why it’s #2.
3. peekercpa
I’ve been having a hard time with this one, and I may yet change my mind. peeker and I have played together a couple times, and I am used to his style of chatter, but even with that in mind he seems to be all over the place. I need to look back at his comments on story/Blaster, but for now this makes the vote official.
Sorry I haven’t posted for a couple of days, but I’ve been reading.
**Unvote all
Vote Zsofia
Vote Peekercpa
Vote Santo Rugger**
While far from trusting anything with respect to Rysto’s alignment or role, I also find Zsofia’s vote for him to be suspicious. I also asked a pretty direct question with regards to those who were voting for Rysto (along with those who seemed content to use the pre-set information as fodder for analysis) what, if any, impact pedescribe’s assertions that he had selected both times randomly might have on their perspectives. But no one really responded.
My suspicions of Peeker and Santo have faded somewhat, but someones gotta fill up the list. 
Why?
Everyone it voting for Zsofia, because she insist on keeping her vote on Rysto - and now you do the same?
Anyway - please give me the reason for voting for Rysto - or I will consider changing one of my votes to you…
Oh well, have been re-reading again on and off.
First off, I am still very suspicious of Santo Rugger over his idea, so he will still be occupying my top spot.
Second, my thoughts on **storyteller **being scummy have lessened somewhat. With a lot of the details around Rysto and the missing PMs, more or less, explained, I get the feeling his play was more metagamey than it should be. His explanations also make some sense, and so he comes off the list. Good to see him picking holes in people’s arguments again.
With that peekercpa, remains third on the list. He does appear all over the place again, his comments on Rysto and the PMs, followed by his comment on Blaster Master and storyteller, and then his final vote which he says was his first impression. Was that the initial vote for Sachertorte, Cookies and Rysto? I get the feeling he is trying to vote without giving an accurate reason.
This means I need a second place and that one will go to ZSofia. She hasn’t amended or explained her vote for Rysto, given the extra info we have on the situation, and is at least worthy of a second vote. A couple of votes on her have been pending her explanation, but nothing has been forthcoming.
So
unvote 2. storyteller
vote 2. ZSofia
I’m sorry, guys. To tell the honest truth, I just haven’t had the time to spend on this game that I thought I would and I haven’t been playing very well. If you lynch me, I’ll be pretty ashamed that I didn’t do a better job for the town. My reading hasn’t been as close as I would like and I haven’t really been able to keep up.
I still think a vote for Rysto isn’t awful, in the metagaming sense that the mod seems to want to “balance” things for him, either because he himself thinks he screwed it up for him (neutral) or because early votes made it seem he was given away (negative). However, everybody else seems satisfied on that front, and like I said in the beginning it was a day one weak vote anyway.
I’ll go with
**
- vote NBC
- vote peekercpa
- vote Thing Fish
**
My reasoning for 1 and 2 have not changed; 3 isn’t an “OMGUS” but a vote against one of the people who got the ball rolling against an innocent townie, moi, for backing a perfectly “good” day one lynch candidate. (Also on that wagon is NAF - I picked randomly among the first voters.)
That sound a bit like scum-voting to me - sorry!
** unvote all **
**
- vote Zsofia
- vote peekercpa
- vote Almost Human
**
I have told why in other posts - and I don’t have the time to do so again right now - but will do it later!
peeker, I think you need to justify what brought you from here, where you unvoted me:
To voting for me again toDay.
Wow. The Zsofia train piled up rather fast didn’t it? Such a quiet afternoon yesterday then BLAM (not that one).
Anyway my throwaway #2 vote:
vote
2. MHaye
because he thinks I hate him, and I don’t want to disappoint.
I have meetings all morning. I don’t expect to be back before Noon.