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481

Yeah, but the difference is: I’m actually not scum. :wink:

That being said, I’m really not sold on the case being made against Zsofia. All of a sudden, having a crappy reason for voting is a scumtell? Wrong metagaming is a scumtell? I’m a little suspicious of all of the vets of this game who have piled onto her because of it. This is the sorting of voting I’d expect out of me, not out of the more reasoned members of our little group. So I’ll vote for those who really ought to know better by now.

  1. NBC
  2. Santo Rugger
  3. NAF1138
482

Well, heck. Didn’t blue my votes… and I didn’t notice that CIAS, of all people, was also voting for her. What’s better than voting for CIAS? (other than that strange aura of unvotability about him)

**1. Santo Rugger
2. NAF 1138
3. CatinaSuit **

483

Sorry guys, can you believe they actually made me do work this week? Un-freaking-believable! Fortunately, I can be “busy” the rest of the morning to catch up, but my normally numerous comments will have to be limited so that I can make sure I can complete my vote. This really sucks.

484

No - I don’t think so. Not a crappy reason alone - but when the reason is:
well, I didn’t read anything and can’t be bother with doing any thinking on my own - so I’ll just go with the rest of you - then to me it looks like a scumtell.

(and I’m still voting for Almost Human for this reason: not just because of her vote for me, but partly. I don’t like it one bit, that she is voting only for players who know her and her “style” of playing. I just don’t see why, she would go only for us on from the facebook-group - making me think, she’s trying to hide something that players (who know her well) could see…)

485

Vote Count!

Complete Votes:
CatInASuit: 1. Santo Rugger, 2. Zsofia, 3. peeker
Storyteller: 1. NBC, 2. NAF, 3. peeker
Cookies: 1. Zsofia, 2. peeker, 3. Santo Rugger
Diggit Camera: 1. Almost Human, 2. NBC, 3. CatInASuit
Zsofia: 1. NBC, 2. Peeker, 3. Thing Fish
Thing Fish: 1. Zsofia, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. NBC
NAF: 1. Sach, 2. Zsofia, 3. Almost Human
Almost Human: 1. DiggitCamera, 2. Flyfisheron, 3. Total Lost
Santo Rugger: 1. DiggitCamera, 2. ShadowFacts, 3. Zsofia
Total Lost: 1. Zsofia, 2. peeker 3. Almost Human
NBC: 1. Zsofia, 2. Storyteller, 3. peeker
Digger: 1. NBC, 2. Flyfisheron, 3. Squidio
Rysto: 1. Zsofia, 2. NBC, 3. CatInASuit
Peeker: 1. Sach, 2. Rysto, 3. Storyteller
Shadow Facts: 1. Zsofia, 2. Almost Human, 3. peeker
Sach: 1. NAF, 2. Mhaye, 3. Squidio
Squidio: 1. Santo Rugger, 2. NAF, 3. CatInASuit

Incomplete Votes:
Blaster Master: 1. peeker
OaOW: 1. Santo Rugger
NOTE: INCOMPLETE VOTES DO NOT COUNT TOWARDS DUSK TALLIES

Extra Effects:
Sarah Connor is currently intimidtating anyone voting for CatInASuit.
Totals:
Zsofia: (23) (Cookies 1st, Shadow Facts 1st, Rysto 1st, Thing Fish 1st, Total Lost 1st, NBC 1st, NAF 2st, CatInASuit 2nd, Santo Rugger 3rd)
NBC: (14) (Zsofia 1st, Storyteller 1st, Digger 1st, Rysto 2nd, Diggit Camera 2nd, Thing Fish 3rd)
Peeker: (12) (BlaM 1st, Total Lost 2nd, Zsofia 2nd, Cookies 2nd, Storyteller 3rd, CatInASuit 3rd, NBC 3rd, Shadow Facts 3rd)
Santo Rugger: (12) (Squidio 1st, OaOW 1st, CatInASuit 1st, Thing Fish 2nd, Cookies 3rd)
Almost Human: (7) (Diggit Camera 1st, Shadow Facts 2nd, NAF 3nd, Total Lost 3rd)
NAF: (7) (Sach 1st, Storyteller 2nd, Squidio 2nd)
Diggit Camera: (6) (Almost Human 1st, Santo Rugger 1st)
Sach: (6) (NAF 1st, peeker 1st)
Storyteller: (4) (NBC 2nd, Storyteller 3rd, peeker 3rd)
Flyfisheron: (4) (Almost Human 2nd, Digger 2nd)
Mhaye: (2) (Sach 2nd)
Rysto: (2) (peeker 2nd)
Squidio: (2) (Digger 3nd, Sach 3rd)
ShadowFacts: (2) (Santo Rugger 2nd)
Total Lost: (1) (Almost Human 3rd)
Thing Fisth: (1) (Zsofia 3rd)
CatInASuit: (0) (Sarah Connor Special Effect, Diggit Camera 3rd, Rysto 3rd, Squidio 3rd)
Also, only an hour & 15 minutes till the Day ends (was an hour and a half when I started this post). Heads up.

486

Yeah, yeah… still catching up. Up to this point, I just don’t see many of the cases for the top vote getters, at least as far as the likes of NBC and and Santo go. However, I did see this post when reading through.

This strikes me as unnecessarily defensive. Why add the “…and doesn’t show any scumminess.” to the last line of the first paragraph? I find that the most troubling. I don’t like that he just sort of glosses over a few arguemtns that people have made, like Storyteller’s NBC argument.

Anyway, it’s not a lot, but it’s the scummiest I’ve seen thus far, so I’m going to vote for him:

**Vote

  1. Peekercpa
  2. Oredigger**

Also, speaking of which, I never saw a response from Peekercpa about my suspicions. Does he intend to respond to them?

487

I wasn’t going to bother responding to this the first time round because, well because it just seemed a bit silly especially as I don’t even know Diggit from FB. However, seeing as you’ve decided to repeat it, albeit in smaller letters, my reason for voting for you and Fly were exactly what I originally said - lurking, or at least not posting much of substance. You were at the bottom of that list because, as I said you’d posted a little more substance than Fly. Yes, you’d posted more than Squid but he’d already got a vote against him when I voted.

At this stage of the game I don’t have strong convictions about anyone but my main one was for Diggit because he backed his reasoning for voting me with incorrect evidence.

My vote for you wasn’t personal and I’m surprised you’re taking it as such and trying to twist it to mean something else. I’m now a lot more comfortable leaving my votes exactly as they are for today.

I’m not really getting the ‘vote Zsophia’ thing. Yes perhaps voting for Rysto on the basis of the received/not received pm was premature but I do think it’s something to be remembered in later days.

Rysto said he didn’t receive it, Pedescribe said it was entirely possible Rysto didn’t receive it. Right now I’m inclined to believe Rysto’s telling the truth as it seems daft to lie about it but I don’t think it should be forgotten about entirely.

I’d really like to say something clever now but that’s all I got.

488

I’ll reply to this quickly, since I was one of those specifically asked.

IMO, it’s ALWAYS a judgment call. It should be late enough such that you have had sufficient time to exhaust your non-claim options, like logic or finding someone more suspicious, etc. It should also be early enough that it lets people analyze your claim and adjust their votes without a last minute unreasoned and panicked vote swing.

Sometimes a lynch is pretty clear very early in the Day, and thus claiming very early means more of the Day can be spent looking for someone else. Most of the time it’s much later. However, one advantage of the borda system is that there really should be less instability following a claim because people can just remove that person, move the rest of their votes up and just add their next suspect or, if absolutely necessary, a filler.

489

I made a mistake - you ARE right - my notes got mess up :eek:
I re-vote in a minute!

490

Have you all forgotten that pedescribe provided the Special Agent T-1000 Role PM and it contained no quirks? I have no reason to lie about receiving the PM if there are no quirks in the role!

491

I agree which is why I followed up that paragraph by saying:

Bolding mine.

492

Color bleached

I figure I should explain since this is just a miscommunication. What I meant was that since everyone agreed that my idea was bad I couldn’t use their arguments against it to determine scumminess, which is always something I look for in the arguments to plans. I wasn’t trying to say that my idea didn’t make me scummy.

493

Well - don’t I look silly now :dubious:

** unvote all **
**

  1. vote Zsofia
  2. vote peekercpa
  3. vote DiggitCamara

**

Zsofia - still not giving HER own reasons for voting AND for the Rysto-vote
Peekercpa for the Rysto-vote - without giving a reason for his change of heart
DiggitCamara - for not giving reasons for the votes

(and it is ironic - I’m changing my votes BECAUSE I did give reasons… but I was wrong - and if I hadn’t seen the reply from Almost Human - my mistake wouldn’t have been notist before it was to late)

494

Ok, so I’m sort of caught up in the game. I did a reading, but unfortunately it’s a fairly shallow one. Points to address:

  1. Zsofia : I’m not sure I’m totally with this semi bandwagon here. Reason for voting for rysto was crap, yes, but well, I’m not sure I’ve EVER had a good first day vote reason myself. This is after 9 months now of playing. Her arguments after discussing lean a little more scummy than not, so she can be a low vote on my list, after going over other points.

  2. Sach on NAF : I agree with NAF here…so, he’s not argumentative, therefore it’s a good reason to say he’s scum? What the hell? This is hardly a day one weak vote, this is an off the wall reason for voting. Not even a metagamey reason for it, such as NAF is always nice as scum and aggressive as town, or he alternates personalities, or my tarot cards read he must be scum.

1. Vote Sach

  1. Well, this point is kinda nothing, really. I’m kind of left stumped at this point. I think I can insert a lurker as a second vote, since my confidence in a Zsofia vote isn’t fully there. And since I’ve only had 3 posts, and a good townie would have had a read (and hell, I want to be vain and see my list in the votes list)

2. Vote Koldanar
3. Vote Zsofia

495

Vote Count!

Complete Votes:
CatInASuit: 1. Santo Rugger, 2. Zsofia, 3. peeker
Storyteller: 1. NBC, 2. NAF, 3. peeker
Cookies: 1. Zsofia, 2. peeker, 3. Santo Rugger
Diggit Camera: 1. Almost Human, 2. NBC, 3. CatInASuit
Zsofia: 1. NBC, 2. Peeker, 3. Thing Fish
Thing Fish: 1. Zsofia, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. NBC
NAF: 1. Sach, 2. Zsofia, 3. Almost Human
Almost Human: 1. DiggitCamera, 2. Flyfisheron, 3. Total Lost
Santo Rugger: 1. DiggitCamera, 2. ShadowFacts, 3. Zsofia
Total Lost: 1. Zsofia, 2. peeker 3. DiggitCamera
NBC: 1. Zsofia, 2. Storyteller, 3. peeker
Digger: 1. NBC, 2. Flyfisheron, 3. Squidio
Rysto: 1. Zsofia, 2. NBC, 3. CatInASuit
Peeker: 1. Sach, 2. Rysto, 3. Storyteller
Shadow Facts: 1. Zsofia, 2. Almost Human, 3. peeker
Sach: 1. NAF, 2. Mhaye, 3. Squidio
Squidio: 1. Santo Rugger, 2. NAF, 3. CatInASuit
Koldy: 1. Sach, 2. Koldy, 3. Zsofia

Incomplete Votes:
Blaster Master: 1. peeker, 2. Digger
OaOW: 1. Santo Rugger
NOTE: INCOMPLETE VOTES DO NOT COUNT TOWARDS DUSK TALLIES

Extra Effects:
Sarah Connor is currently intimidtating anyone voting for CatInASuit.
Totals:
Zsofia: (24) (Cookies 1st, Shadow Facts 1st, Rysto 1st, Thing Fish 1st, Total Lost 1st, NBC 1st, NAF 2st, CatInASuit 2nd, Santo Rugger 3rd, Koldy 3rd)
NBC: (14) (Zsofia 1st, Storyteller 1st, Digger 1st, Rysto 2nd, Diggit Camera 2nd, Thing Fish 3rd)
Peeker: (12) (BlaM 1st, Total Lost 2nd, Zsofia 2nd, Cookies 2nd, Storyteller 3rd, CatInASuit 3rd, NBC 3rd, Shadow Facts 3rd)
Santo Rugger: (12) (Squidio 1st, OaOW 1st, CatInASuit 1st, Thing Fish 2nd, Cookies 3rd)
Sach: (9) (Koldy 1st, NAF 1st, peeker 1st)
NAF: (7) (Sach 1st, Storyteller 2nd, Squidio 2nd)
Diggit Camera: (7) (Almost Human 1st, Santo Rugger 1st, Total Lost 3rd)
Almost Human: (6) (Diggit Camera 1st, Shadow Facts 2nd, NAF 3nd)
Storyteller: (4) (NBC 2nd, Storyteller 3rd, peeker 3rd)
Flyfisheron: (4) (Almost Human 2nd, Digger 2nd)
Mhaye: (2) (Sach 2nd)
Rysto: (2) (peeker 2nd)
Squidio: (2) (Digger 3nd, Sach 3rd)
Digger: (2) (BlaM 2nd)
ShadowFacts: (2) (Santo Rugger 2nd)
Koldy: (2) (Koldy 2nd)
Total Lost: (1) (Almost Human 3rd)
Thing Fisth: (1) (Zsofia 3rd)
CatInASuit: (0) (Sarah Connor Special Effect, Diggit Camera 3rd, Rysto 3rd, Squidio 3rd)
This might be the first time the vote count has been longer than my screen. Wow.

496

I’m up to 450. Real life poisoned my morning - but one does need a job.

Pedescribe’s statement that he assigned the post-reset roles randomly removes the reason to vote for Rysto based on the pre-reset roles, unless you’re prepared to call the mod a liar. I think that sets a dangerous precedent. If he made the statement then I think we should treat it as true.

Zsofia’s reason to vote Rysto was a poor one, but was placed before pedescribe made his statement, so I don’t think it was as scummy as some people think.

The other thing that’s bothered me most was an early statement by peekercpa that BlaM and Storyteller set their battle up. I haven’t found the battle yet, and in any case this game started on a Day; so when did they get to confer? That was just a baseless smudge.

In order to get a vote on for my number 1 candidate, I’m going to have to vote for someone I don’t have much suspicion of.

Vote :[ol][li]NaturalBornChap[/li][li]peekercpa[/li][*]Zsofia[/ol]

497

BAH… I’m not quite caught up, but I’m running out of time.

Either way, I’m NOT agreeing with the Zsofia lynch, or the NBC suspicion, but I want to get my first 2 votes on record. I hate to do this, but my third vote will pretty much be a throw away for now. So…

**Votes

  1. Peekercpa

  2. OreDigger

  3. MHaye**

  4. Because he made a point of refering to himself as townie. Made a completely unjustifiable smudge against Storyteller and me. He has not responded to any of those points except to say that he always thinks we’re scum.

  5. Seemed to make a defensive post completely unnecessarily.

  6. Because I needed a filler, and you have zero chance of getting lynched and were the last person I saw post, so your name is the easiest filler to find.
    I deliberately used him as a filler because I do not agree with the reasoning for any of the other primary vote getters, otherwise I would have used one of them.

498

The above posts were three minutes apart. How did your number one candidate just miraculously fall off the list?

1. Booze
2. DiggitCamera
3. ShadowFacts

499

NETA: The reason Booze wasn’t on my original vote lurker list is because he wasn’t on the player list I looked at (I think it was the first alphabetized one). Zsofia falls of because she’s been contributing now, and I actually believe that she plans to continue doing so.

500

Dusk vote tally.

Votes:
CatInASuit: 1. Santo Rugger, 2. Zsofia, 3. peeker
Storyteller: 1. NBC, 2. NAF, 3. peeker
Cookies: 1. Zsofia, 2. peeker, 3. Santo Rugger
Diggit Camera: 1. Almost Human, 2. NBC, 3. CatInASuit
Zsofia: 1. NBC, 2. Peeker, 3. Thing Fish
Thing Fish: 1. Zsofia, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. NBC
NAF: 1. Sach, 2. Zsofia, 3. Almost Human
Almost Human: 1. DiggitCamera, 2. Flyfisheron, 3. Total Lost
Santo Rugger: 1. DiggitCamera, 2. ShadowFacts, 3. Zsofia
Total Lost: 1. Zsofia, 2. peeker 3. DiggitCamera
NBC: 1. Zsofia, 2. Storyteller, 3. peeker
Digger: 1. NBC, 2. Flyfisheron, 3. Squidio
Rysto: 1. Zsofia, 2. NBC, 3. CatInASuit
Peeker: 1. Sach, 2. Rysto, 3. Storyteller
Shadow Facts: 1. Zsofia, 2. Almost Human, 3. peeker
Sach: 1. NAF, 2. Mhaye, 3. Squidio
Squidio: 1. Santo Rugger, 2. NAF, 3. CatInASuit
Koldy: 1. Sach, 2. Koldy, 3. Zsofia
Mhaye: 1. NBC, 2. peeker, 3. Zsofia
Blaster Master: 1. peeker, 2. Digger 3. Mhaye
Sarah Connor is currently intimidtating anyone voting for CatInASuit.
Totals:
Zsofia: (25) (Cookies 1st, Shadow Facts 1st, Rysto 1st, Thing Fish 1st, Total Lost 1st, NBC 1st, NAF 2st, CatInASuit 2nd, Santo Rugger 3rd, Koldy 3rd, Mhaye 3rd)
NBC: (17) (Mhaye 1st, Zsofia 1st, Storyteller 1st, Digger 1st, Rysto 2nd, Diggit Camera 2nd, Thing Fish 3rd)
Peeker: (14) (BlaM 1st, Total Lost 2nd, Zsofia 2nd, Mhaye 2nd, Cookies 2nd, Storyteller 3rd, CatInASuit 3rd, NBC 3rd, Shadow Facts 3rd)
Santo Rugger: (9) (Squidio 1st, CatInASuit 1st, Thing Fish 2nd, Cookies 3rd)
Sach: (9) (Koldy 1st, NAF 1st, peeker 1st)
NAF: (7) (Sach 1st, Storyteller 2nd, Squidio 2nd)
Diggit Camera: (7) (Almost Human 1st, Santo Rugger 1st, Total Lost 3rd)
Almost Human: (6) (Diggit Camera 1st, Shadow Facts 2nd, NAF 3nd)
Storyteller: (4) (NBC 2nd, Storyteller 3rd, peeker 3rd)
Flyfisheron: (4) (Almost Human 2nd, Digger 2nd)
Mhaye: (3) (Sach 2nd, BlaM 3rd)
Rysto: (2) (peeker 2nd)
Squidio: (2) (Digger 3nd, Sach 3rd)
Digger: (2) (BlaM 2nd)
ShadowFacts: (2) (Santo Rugger 2nd)
Koldy: (2) (Koldy 2nd)
Total Lost: (1) (Almost Human 3rd)
Thing Fisth: (1) (Zsofia 3rd)