Fair enough - but in my timezone we getting to midnight. How can you know, that everyone will read this before Night - and what if important Town-roles doesn’t??
Right now there are no votes at all. If folks don’t read this before Night, we have much bigger problems than that.
Seconded.
I see that - and agreed - but I’m still not sure where you want to take this…
Who’s to claim next?
An important Town-role and then maybe noone else…
I’m not disagreeing with you - but I am concerned as to where it might lead 
If we’re going to do this we have to do this before Nightfall, and long enough before that everyone can analyse the claims and vote.
It is now Tuesday 16th, 11:10pm BST, 6:10pm EDT and 3pm PDT. I propose that if we are going to do it, everyone have claimed by 11:59pm BST on Sept 17th, or just under 25 hours from now. That gives two days for voting.
I want to reread Today before committing myself to teh mass claim, as there is a question I want to reconcile. I will let you know my thoughts soon.
I too, am a vanilla Scientist, and no longer see the point of protecting my pre-reset role, which was the Bus Driver. Robbed was I!
Well… I’m in favor of the mass-claim, but weren’t we going to wait until we have a strong majority for it? And what about the random order?
I think you’re right!!! Let’s wait and talk before just making a claim…
Total, if you have knowledge that tells you that a mass claim is a bad idea now would be a real good time to share it.
See above. Random order gets us nowhere. It’s value is in situations where the roles or powers are unknown, because nonrandom orders allow the scum to think out their claim in light of other claims. Since we already know what all the claims will be, there’s no advantage to random ordering of claims.
And as for a “strong majority…” well, you’ve played this game before. By the time we obtain a strong majority, the Day will be over.
Here’s the thing: Towns in these games have started to play very poorly lately. There’s next to no discussion, there’s an almost pathological need to quash ideas, but worst of all, there’s this increasingly unproductive compulsion to seek consensus on every single thing. Consensus is a good and a worthwhile thing, but when everyone becomes paralyzed because “hey, not everyone has agreed yet,” then we’ve taken it a few steps too far.
We can talk about this claim thing all Day and wind up with a rushed, wasted lynch, or we can just do it and get to the business of finding scum while there’s still time to do it. I’ve claimed, so my end of this is basically done. I’m going to focus my attention on the votes that killed Zsofia, and if a mass claim happens then great, and if not, then maybe we can still tease information out of our situation instead of wasting the whole day in endless consensus-seeking.
Concur. Total Lost, you seem almost frantic to keep this mass claim from moving forward - the tone of your posts seems to be becoming increasingly stressed out. If there’s a reason for this that you’re not telling us, like: (1) you have extra information; or (2) you’re scum and you think the mass claim will hurt your side 
, please do let us know as soon as possible.
By the way: absent a compelling reason not to claim, I will claim before going to bed tonight…
I am posting as I catch up.
But from my travel numbed mind this makes sense.
Ditto. I do understand that we can’t wait for or expect a majority but I’d like to hear from a couple more if possible. Barring anything extraordinary happening though I’ll claim in the next two or three hours.
btw Total’s probably gone to bed - it’s nearly 2am in Denmark, plus I’ve just seen her status message on Facebook that says she’s off to bed:)
I read the posts, and did some thinking, and then realised I was fighting to keep my eyelids open. So right now I’m going to reserve my decision and get to sleep.
I’ll come back with my decision around my lunchtime. I can’t see a weakness, I’m just giving myself a last chance to spot any flaws before committing myself.
Night all.
And I am totally down with the idea. I have always wanted to see what would happen if this was the path town took. If it is a town advantage then it forces future Mods to plan for this possibility. If not then, WTF, it’ll be just a different flavor.
I’ll wait another hour or two, but in the neantime I was Vanilla pre set.
And GD, I agree with story about random. What’s the point. Let’s claim and figure it out.
Bunch of off board ass kissing going on, apparently.
Just back from the butt end of no where (rincon de los sauces if you must know, it translates into a scenic and pastoral sounding, corner of the willows. Names can be misleading.)
But to business. Seams like since this morning the whole mass claim has really picked up speed to the point that some have gone ahead and pulled the pin on it. Regardles of if we agree or not, we are in a position that if we doñt agree we have to go along, least the accusation of being scum on account of holding the whole process up be leveled. This all picked up steam right now when we have precious little time to make any other choices. I am not sure I like being bullheaded into something that does not have a concensus or is fully thought through, but there we go. That said I dont see much scum incentive to push this notion unless they know something we dont. I do kind of like Peekys thought that it would be interesting just to see what happens, although if he is that interested he should just start a game for that sole purpose with a very short day night cycle, so we donñt burn the investment in this game for a science experiment.
That said there has not been much else happening (yeah I know I am as guilty of that as anyone), so time to review the votes that led to Zs untimely demise and the last minute vote changes etc.
Did an explanation during the day ever surface for Boozy squids last minute vote change?
I’m very sorry, everyone. I simply have not had the time to participate to my usual level in this game. I’m one who is normally very critical of lurkers, but I’ve mostly been one this game, having contributed nothing except what I thought was a pretty decent case against Zsofia, and we all know how that turned out.
All that is leading up to me saying that I need more time to think about this mass claim idea before I agree, but at first blush the logic and the numbers seem sound. I want to look at all the role descriptions again and run some scenarios in my head, so I won’t be revealing anything before tomorrow, but that should still be plenty of time.
I’m also slightly concerned at the breakneck pace of this activity, although I understand the reasoning for it. But I hope we are not being led down the garden path…
I think that the Eeyore-esqe attitude of, “Oh, well, gee, I dunno, it might maybe possibly be a bad idea to claim,” is anti town. If you have a compelling reason not to, say something. Otherwise, I’m going to assume you’re scum and you think it’s a bad idea for your team.
I’d like to point out that you, and no one else, were the first to make that connection. No one has accused anyone who doesn’t go along of being scum or of anything else, and several players, including actually everyone but me and Santo, have declined to participate so far without facing accusations of anything.
(I note that Total Lost has faced some mild suspicion, but less for her refusal to claim and more for her oddly anxious tone).
That you bring up this in a pre-emptive fashion does nothing whatsoever to cool my suspicions of you, by the way.
Who is bullheading you? I assume you mean me, but frankly, I claimed for myself. I outlined my reasons in exhaustive detail a few posts upthread. I have not attempted to force anyone to claim in my wake, and if no one else chooses to do so I will find another use for my time.
But here’s the thing: as I said, I outlined my reasons. You want this to be “fully-thought through?” Well, I thought it through at pretty considerable length, and went through the trouble of writing a long post explaining my thought process. If you see flaws in my argument, or if you just want to talk about it, go ahead. Give your reasons for opposing a mass claim.
But don’t tsk-tsk the rest of the group about not discussing a subject to your satisfaction before acting, and then fail to contribute in a meaningful way to the discussion.