Ohh, you got me good! Burn on me!
You really think it’s not snarky to ask why we should be discussing something “right this instant”, when there were only a small handful of posts in the last 24 hours? Give me a break.
i really really do. The entire who is jester discussion is pure undiluted WIFOM. There is no way to logically work out who got turned. So, we continue with plan A, and by the time we’re finished with that some of the town will be gone, reducing the pool of candidates. Thats when we go after jester boy. If you want to see snark where there is none, don’t take it out on me.
I’m in the Vanilla pool. I’m going to be one of the next few people lynched, if we don’t catch the two scum in the pool before I’m voted off. It is my obligation, my duty, to share my thoughts about the game and whom I suspect based on the game setup, based off what the scum would do with the game setup. There’s at least three people on that list that the scum would not have recruited, as their role is verifiable. You don’t think saying that now is helpful? Especially when nobody else is talking about anything at all for basically the last 24 hours?
Wow.
So let me get this straight your big strategy that you couldn’t talk about was to pick randomly from the vanilla pool? What would the scum have benefited from knowing who you had ‘protected’? Why would it have been decided that you were the one to protect Boozy? You weren’t going to discuss your strategy in fact you never even mentioned protecting Boozy so how would you have agreed to it? I did agree maybe you were just getting confused or skimming.
Post by Post analysis of NAF1138 and Oredigger77, our claimed Paranoid Docs.
NAF1138 Posting History
#122: Comment on being Jester before reset
#131: Revel of scum names before reset
#163: Comment on Borda voting
#168: Comment on Borda voting
#202: Comment on Borda voting
#206: fluff
#212: fluff
#259: Response to flyfisheron about Scum Jester claim
#334: Comment on Storyteller about NBC case and Rysto metagaming. Main comment about Almost Human’s smudge and response to Rugger about people voting for him based on his Sarah Connor idea.
#337: Response to Santo Rugger.
#339: Response to Cookies
#349: Response to storyteller, missed crux of case against NBC restates it how he sees it. Restates points he thinks he has not made clear.
#350: Repeats case against Almost Human, as the scummiest thing seen so far on Day 1.
#395: Agrees with sachertorte about back and forth with Rysto. Is curious about people voting Santo Rugger over Sarah Connor plan.
#415: Response to sachertorte on his position on Santo Rugger
#416: Comment about sachertorte taking posts out of context
#419: Apology to sachertorte over missing point of post
#420: fluff
#439: votes Zsofia over Rysto, Almost Human over scummy post and Boozy Squid for lurking
#452: Bumps sachertorte to the top as OMGUS vote.
#505: fluff
#607: fluff
#716: fluff
#767: votes oredigger for being a liar
#769: claims paranoid doc
#772: declines to reveal who he has protected
#773: Apologises for tone of previous post.
#780: Agrees with Total Lost over storyteller’s plan
#788: Response to OAOW about storyteller’s plan
#790: Response to Rysto about protecting JC to prove role.
#827: fluff
#838: votes Cookies over voting for a power role, NBC for story’s and shadowfacts reasoning, flyfisheron for absence.
#844: Response to Oredigger over votes
#852: Response to Cookies of being voted for.
#854: Response to Cookies again.
#908: Comment on Oredigger attempting to confirm role.
#995: Response about ability to self-protect
#1006: Comment on lynching vanilla + Jester
#1023: Votes NBC as only really scummy person left, placeholder votes for Diggit and Pollux.
#1032: fluff
#1035: fluff
#1040: Declines to reveal Night actions to prevent scum gaining benefit
#1071: Response to Rysto about confirming role. Will be sticking to own system
#1073: Response to Oredigger about the Vig attacking vanilla
#1077: fluff
#1079: fluff
#1089: Comment on Oredigger about the vig claiming
#1155: Response that he was protecting JC, says he should have stuck to his own plans instead of following the town.
#1172: Claims he protected storyteller on Night 1, diggit on Night 2, and JC on Night 3 to confirm role.
Oredigger Posting history.
#42: Confirm role
#66: fluff
#101: Confirm
#199: Proposes mass roleclaim.
#218: Pushes role claim to generat econversation. Suggests using mass claim to flush out vanilla and not worry about T-1000 copier. Is not worried about losing any single power role.
#352: Posting to avoid being called a lurker. Comment on lynching lurkers using Borda count.
#433: Comment on Sarah Connor, asks if her insanity power can be blocked. Votes NBC using sotyrteller’s case, Boozy for being a lurker, Almost Human for defending self then disappearing.
#434: Question to pedescribe over Sarah Connor being blocked by a roleblocker.
#442: Response to Almost Human, saying vote was to push lurkers to participate
#445: Proposes that roleblocker can keep SC harmless while T-800 is alive, but now needs to admit so she can be protected.
#458: Response to Santo Rugger that only thing worth blocking is the T-1000 SA. Votes, NBC, Flyfisheron, boozy Squid with no given reasoning.
#492: Rsponse to BM that although his plan was bad he could use arguments against it to determine scumminess, not that a bad plan meant he was scummy.
#506: fluff
#524: fluff
#546: fluff
#565: Comment on Night kill and SA T-1000 death.
#568: Response on previous comment to Total Lost
#601: Says he dropped the idea of mass role claim, but agrees with who bought it up.
#629: Is all for roleclaim
#631: Comment on role reveal in mass claim
#706: Claim Paranoid Doc and protected CIAS on Night 1. Hoping to see what CIAS claimed first hoping to verify him.
#797: Says NAF is lying, but it cannot be proven toDay. Says NAF is probably the Joker trying to get lynched. Only way to prove claim is for Vog to target one of them.
#804: Comment on Total Lost making weird statements.
#806: Suggests both doc and one of special docs protects the vig so even if makes wrong selection, vig will not kill himself.
#808: Comments it is bad idea to lynch NAF and should worry about the Jester instead.
#842: Votes, NBC, Pollux, Diggit. Thinks NBC is all over the place, votes Pollux because NBC agreed with him, diggit in wrong pool of people.
#843: Votes with fixed colour, has second thoughts over NBC as NAF voted for him.
#862: Claims mass role claim was Santo Rugger’s idea.
#868: Apologises to Santo Rugger as mass role claim was initially Oredigger’s idea.
#903: Says he will block/protect a power role to prove his claim.
#912: fluff
#943: Claims he has picked his block/protect victim
#949: fluff
#953: Claims OAOW block
#965: Picked OAOW because he thought scum would not target him. Says his powers duplicate the commuters so no net loss to the town.
#988: Says self protect is not important as if they kill him it will be by lynch.
#1021: Votes Zeriel, NBC, Pollux.
#1065: Response to Santo Rugger about lynch, Is trying to come up with people he can block, who will notice, not hurt the town and will not be targetted. Would like Vig to come forward to attack a doc.
#1069: Comment that politician power is Day power, possible protect on Bus Drive, but Commuter is role that would least hurt if blocked.
#1072: Says he can be confirmed if Vig picks a random vanilla to kill and he will protect them. Can let NAF block John Connor.
#1085: Insists that idea is good and asks where it goes wrong.
#1088: Says Santo is assuming that because Doc is protecting power roles, they could not waste a Night protecting the Vig.
#1095: Insists odds are good with his plan.
#1100: Agrees with MHaye that if the Vig is chosen, the plan will fail. Also scum no-kill could screw process up.
#1105: fluff
#1131: Claims to have blocked Boozy Squid.
#1132: Votes NAF, Santo, Zeriel
#1133: Vote colour fixed.
#1151: votes Oredigger as directed by Almost Human
All spelling mistakes are totally unintentional. 
I have some questions, but they can wait until tomorrow morning.
Why doesn’t somebody more confirmed than myself assign NAF/Oredigger each to a target. We’ll lynch whomever isn’t blocked Tomorrow.
I don’t think we should be lynching NAF or OD toDay so here goes with my vote. It’s pretty much guesswork though and my reasons are frankly pants:
1 Vote DBI
Reason - because now NBC’s turned up as the Jesper Story’s push to name claim seems a lot less town motivated. Plus I believe it’s traditional to vote DBI out on the first Day she plays 
2 Vote Santo
For the same reasons as DBI really. And his weird asking people to lynch him request yesterDay
3 Vote Diggit
Placeholder mostly but also haven’t seen him about for ages.
I haven’t done anything to change OD’s vote as yet but I will before the Day ends. I’m not 100% certain I’ll be keeping my vote like this so I won’t change his till I’m sure.
Yes, it wasn’t much of a stategy but it was the best I had. My power affords me the opportunity to potentially block a Night kill (as asked to and answered by pedescribe, though he wouldn’t say if it was percentage or if I had to pick the right person or what) so I figured my best shot was to block someone I figured had a decent chance of being scum in the vanilla pool. It wasn’t random. I picked diggit intentionallly and you will notice that I voted for him as well. I would have blocked NBC but I figgued on the off chance that I was blocking a specific person rather than a percentage shot (which based on how my powers work seems more likely) that there was no way the scum would send out NBC to do a kill.
Just out of curiosity, how can me asking to be lynched be suspicious? I mean, Yesterday, people suspected I might be the Jester because of it, which I understand. But why still now after the Jester is gone?
Crap, I forgot to answer the second part of the quote that I kept in my last post.
Yeah, I will admit that I haven’t paid as much attention as I probably should have. I figured that Ore was the jester and that the game was a slam dunk. It threw me when we lynched the jester and I screwed up.
Well I did say my reasons were pants! Maybe you just seemed a bit ‘too town’ to me if that makes sense. There was also you saying perhaps NBC was the Jester and this is what he wanted all along. You were right, he was. I just think it may have all been planned to show how town you were so you wouldn’t be lynched.
Let’s face it, there hasn’t been a lot of discussion on the vanilla pool so it’s hard to vote based on anything particularly compelling right now.
And as I said I may well change my vote if anything new turns up.
Right now I’m WIFOMing myself into a headache over storychan. Would a scummy storyteller be as blatant as to hound the Jester from Day One? Maybe. story himself has said that whenever he starts thinking “would scum really do that?” he hits himself over the head until the thought passes. So I certainly wouldn’t put it past him to try the “too scummy to be scummy” trick.
My other source of suspicion of story comes down to the fact that I never really bought the case against NBC. I could see the initial contradiction, but it was so fundamental it looked more to me like faulty reasoning – which can happen to anyone, town or scum – than scummy reasoning.
I’m still disquieted over ShadowFacts. I’m not a fan of his vote Ore/vote NAF post. Really wishy-washy. Absent a compelling case that the real Paranoid Doc was recruited, why vote for both?
As to the Ore/NAF thing, I’m beginning to feel like we should resolve this sooner rather than later. I remember that in one of the on-board games Town had dueling Cop claims, and they just kept putting off lynching one of them until finally they reached lynch or lose and ended up lynching the wrong one. I always thought that the Town handled the situation badly by putting off resolving the claims.
Vote Count!
Complete Votes:
Zeriel: 1. NAF, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. Zeriel
NAF1138: 1.Oredigger77, 2. OAOW, 3. S. Rugger
AH: 1. dotchan, 2. Santo Rugger, 3. DiggitCamera
Incomplete Votes:
Oredigger: 1. Oredigger77
Shadow Facts: 1. Oredigger77, 2. NAF1138
OAOW: 1. Santo Rugger
Special Effects:
There are no special effects.
Oredigger77: (9) (Oredigger 1st, ShadowFacts 1st, NAF 1st)
Santo Rugger: (8) (OAOW 1st, AH 2nd, Zeriel 2nd, NAF 3rd)
NAF1138: (5) (Zeriel 1st, Shadow Facts 2nd)
dotchan: (3) (AH 1st)
OAOW: (2) (NAF 2nd)
Zeriel: (1) (Zeriel 3rd)
Diggit: (1) (AH 3rd)
I think Rysto is right. A desicion betweenme an NAF is the best way to go. Since the scum probably picked a power role for conversion by the jester that means that there are only two scum in the vanilla pool. So there is less then a third chance of picking the right one and a good chance of picking the vig. On the other hand only one of me and NAF is scum (I didnt get jester converted) so its a 50/50 pick or if you believe ( and I suprised the jesters didn’t do it) that both of us are scum you have a 100% chance. Either way if the town picks wrong the jester is there to cover the mistake.
Santo also said as much but Rysto is the one who got me to post so he gets the credit.
Actually, I said exactly the opposite.
P.S. Don’t you guys love the new quote format when playing on the Dope?!
I think that wasting more time hemming and hawing between Ore and NAF is wasted time. In the end, I trust NAF significantly more than to screw up like he claims he did last night. Dude’s too good a player to make such a rookie mistake.
vote: 1. NAF1138
2. Zeriel
3. Shadowfacts
::grumble grumble grumble::
vote:
1. NAF1138
2. Zeriel
3. Shadowfacts
while I do tend to agree, why don’t we go fishing in the vanilla pool again, and tonight be ABSOLUTELY clear that it’s oredigger who will target you and NOT NAF
I’m going to stick with voting vanilla…
A lot of new names - and not much to go on.
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- Digget
- Zeriel
- Dotchan
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Not sure at all what to make of the whole NAF1138/Oredigger - and willing to give them a chance to prove themself in the Night…