Mafia: The Conspiracy

[Boozahol_Squid_P.I]

@Santo Rugger

Game related, or funny? If funny, care to share?

A lady never reveals her secrets…

[Boozahol_Squid_P.I]

@Zoggie

I’m role claiming, then. I’m a magician. I haven’t been targeted yet, so I still have the chance to escape. I’d tell the Vig to try killing me tonight, but I’m afraid we don’t have one of those.

I hope we can get fuller role claims than this. Post your PM, tell us whom you targetted… give us something to believe!

[HazelNutCoffee]

@Zoggie

I’m role claiming, then. I’m a magician. I haven’t been targeted yet, so I still have the chance to escape. I’d tell the Vig to try killing me tonight, but I’m afraid we don’t have one of those.

If the Vig targets you and ends up killing someone else, which one counts as the Vig kill? Either way, asking the (hypothetical) Vig to try targeting you is a risky business, particularly since we’ve run out of confirmed scum to kill - they could end up hitting a Townie, which would equal two Town deaths in the long run.

[Boozahol_Squid_P.I]

@HazelNutCoffee

If the Vig targets you and ends up killing someone else, which one counts as the Vig kill? Either way, asking the (hypothetical) Vig to try targeting you is a risky business, particularly since we’ve run out of confirmed scum to kill - they could end up hitting a Townie, which would equal two Town deaths in the long run.

Less chatter, more self-explanation from you.

[Boozahol_Squid_P.I]

Crikey, nothing other than the half-baked claim by Zoggie?

Hmm… magician, mason, or one of the unknowns…

Mamma always hated magic.

**Vote: Zoggie **

[dotchan]

You guys already know this by now, but the board timed out last night (IRL), so…

@Pleonast

You bless Idle Thoughts, the curse is broken.

does a happy dance

Yay. Unfortunately, CatInASuit was lying and the Necromancer still lives, so toNight I’ll be playing Which Corpse to Bless. [sarasm] I’m going to have SO much fun thinking myself into a headache. [/sarcasm]

To organize my thoughts, here’s a list:

• Confirmed Claims -

• Diomedes - Witch - Confirmed by knowledge that Rysto was a Witch (revealed as such by Sachertorte)
• Blaster Master - Witch - Confirmed by Diomedes
• dotchan - Vicar - Confirmed by a successful blessing of Idle Thoughts (revealed as under the Vampire’s curse by Sachertorte)
• sachertorte - Corner - Confirmed by accurate role reveals of the dead

• Unconfirmed Claims -

• Santos Rugger - Freemason
• Zoggie - Magician

• No Claims -

• HazelNutCoffee
• DiggitCamara
• ShadowFacts (investigated as Town)

Currently my biggest suspicion rests on DiggitCamara based on his confusion Day One about the pro-Town roles, and a general tone that implies a cavalier attitude that is at the very least irresponsible.

[Freudian_Slit]

Sorry for the delay. Here’s my PM.

18. Magician - Zoggie

You are a Magician. Each Night you may choose one other Player who will be killed instead of you, if you are attacked. If attacked, you and your would-be attacker will discover each others’ Identities. You may only escape once. If your would-be attacker is a vampire, you will not discover their name.

You have a secret power. You know that werewolves and vampires may bless their victims.

Please PM, email me, or respond in the game thread http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...ad.php?t=436661 to confirm that you have received your Role and are ready to play. The game will start on Friday Sept 28 at noon, Pacific Time.

Here are the people that I wanted attacked if I were targeted:

First night:

Pygmy/Santos Rugger (totally random)

Second night:

Idle Thoughts (the witch doctor PM still seemed suspect)

Third Night

Diggit Camara (Back when he made that weird slip up, I suspected him)

Fourth Night

Shadow Facts (Another random one)

Fifth Night

Dotchan (The vicar claim seemed odd)

I’ll be back this evening–going to a show this afternoon…have at it, all.

[sachertorte]

I can sort of understand that Werewolves might be given the option of blessing their victim, but why the hell would a Vampire do the same?
Zoggie’s PM looks weird to me.
Then again, dotchan’s claim looked weird to me too.

However, I’m more inclined to believe Zoggie at this point over HazelNutCoffee (what’s with the delay on the roleclaim?) and DiggitCamara (no roleclaim yet either). I feel this way because Scum have every reason to delay a roleclaim as much as possible to see what others have to say first.

[Boozahol_Squid_P.I]

@Zoggie

18. Magician - Zoggie

You are a Magician. Each Night you may choose one other Player who will be killed instead of you, if you are attacked. If attacked, you and your would-be attacker will discover each others’ Identities. You may only escape once. If your would-be attacker is a vampire, you will not discover their name.

You have a secret power. You know that werewolves and vampires may bless their victims.

Please PM, email me, or respond in the game thread http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...ad.php?t=436661 to confirm that you have received your Role and are ready to play. The game will start on Friday Sept 28 at noon, Pacific Time.

Wow. I mean, just wow. Everyone else’s posted PM had a subtype for their Role, yours doesn’t. Everyone else’s secret role makes sense as stemming from their role, yours doesn’t. Everyone else’s knowledge of werewolves and vampires refers to that power as a curse, not a blessing.

So you’re lying. Unless you want to claim wolf, you’re dead today, Zogs.

[HazelNutCoffee]

@Pleonast

6. Vigilante (Nightstalker) - HazelNutCoffee

You are the Vigilante. Each Night, you may kill any one Player, including Vampires. You must target yourself if the Player is later revealed to be on the Town Side. Choose wisely.

As the Nightstalker, you have a Secret Power: once per game, you have the ability to stalk your victim before making your kill, thus gaining information as to their Side (but not their Role). Stalking is also a Night action, so be sure to PM me your target early if you want to make sure you have enough time to receive the information and decide on a kill before the Night ends. Because your forte is killing and not gathering information, you will be unable to distinguish the Omega Wolf from a Town Role.

And before you guys jump all over me in regards to CatInASuit, I’ll say right now I was blocked. I’m wondering if my “my role is something that scum would claim” comment tipped me off, but in any case, there is either a role with a Secret Power that involves blocking, or there is still a Cabal left amongst us. Which is completely possible assuming an unconfirmed Townie is actually the Omega.

I didn’t roleclaim earlier because I didn’t really see a need to. I have no secret information to share, and my role would have made me a Vampire target. We had too many Town power Roles and not enough protection to go around, so I made a judgement call and decided that laying low was the best option, despite your clamorings to reveal myself.

I already used my power, by the way. The Day nesta was ragging on me, I grew suspicious because - well, I know that I’m Town, and he just seemed so sure that I wasn’t that I became convinced that he knew I was (if you get my drift). So I Stalked nesta and killed him that Night. I don’t know what that means in regards to the Wolves. Either we accidentally picked the same target or they got blocked that Night.

And that’s all I have to say. Oh, besides the fact that I think Zoggie is full of it.

[Blaster_Master]

Dio, don’t get over zealous yet. The probability that any one of these three at random is lying is significant. I would like to hear from Diggit before we start jumping to conclusions.

I have a theory, but I’ll wait until after he has made his claim explain it.

[Boozahol_Squid_P.I]

@HazelNutCoffee

And before you guys jump all over me in regards to CatInASuit, I’ll say right now I was blocked. I’m wondering if my “my role is something that scum would claim” comment tipped me off, but in any case, there is either a role with a Secret Power that involves blocking, or there is still a Cabal left amongst us. Which is completely possible assuming an unconfirmed Townie is actually the Omega.

I didn’t roleclaim earlier because I didn’t really see a need to. I have no secret information to share, and my role would have made me a Vampire target. We had too many Town power Roles and not enough protection to go around, so I made a judgement call and decided that laying low was the best option, despite your clamorings to reveal myself.

I already used my power, by the way. The Day nesta was ragging on me, I grew suspicious because - well, I know that I’m Town, and he just seemed so sure that I wasn’t that I became convinced that he knew I was (if you get my drift). So I Stalked nesta and killed him that Night. I don’t know what that means in regards to the Wolves. Either we accidentally picked the same target or they got blocked that Night.

And that’s all I have to say. Oh, besides the fact that I think Zoggie is full of it.

See, Zoggie, this is the way to false-claim! This is a much better work of fantasy. I ain’t buying that there’s Cabal left: while I feel like there should have been more of them, there are still two wolves and an undead out there, and the numbers don’t just add up for there to still be a Cabalist left…

Still waiting for a role-claim from Diggit. When we get that, I’ll clear one of these two, diggit or Santos Rugger from Undead consideration, and everyone can make up their own minds as to who’s the necromancer. Even if we can’t lynch them today, hopefully the wolves will be able to reduce this to a Town/Wolf endgame.

[Boozahol_Squid_P.I]

@Blaster Master

Dio, don’t get over zealous yet. The probability that any one of these three at random is lying is significant. I would like to hear from Diggit before we start jumping to conclusions.

I have a theory, but I’ll wait until after he has made his claim explain it.

Me? Get overzealous? Never!

[Blaster_Master]

@Zoggie

Here are the people that I wanted attacked if I were targeted:

First night:

Pygmy/Santos Rugger (totally random)

Second night:

Idle Thoughts (the witch doctor PM still seemed suspect)

Third Night

Diggit Camara (Back when he made that weird slip up, I suspected him)

Fourth Night

Shadow Facts (Another random one)

Fifth Night

Dotchan (The vicar claim seemed odd)

I’ll be back this evening–going to a show this afternoon…have at it, all.

Okay… you need to explain yourself better than this.

Why would you target Shadow Facts knowing he was likely town? Why wouldn’t you have targetted CatInASuit?

Why would you target Dotchan, knowing that we were going to get good solid information on her in the Morning?

Why would you target Idle know that his claim was fairly believable and ultimately testable?

[HazelNutCoffee]

Why couldn’t there be one Cabal left? Having only three Cabal doesn’t seem like a balanced game at all, if they don’t have any killing powers. It’s either that or someone has blocking powers that they aren’t telling us about. And assuming that an unconfirmed Townie is the Omega Wolf, it IS possible for one Cabal to still be alive.

:: shrug :: There’s not much else I can say. I’m not very valuable to the Town at this point, unless we have a Seer that comes forth with a list of scum. My suicidal tendencies make it difficult for me to kill at random, y’see.

[Boozahol_Squid_P.I]

@HazelNutCoffee

Why couldn’t there be one Cabal left? Having only three Cabal doesn’t seem like a balanced game at all, if they don’t have any killing powers. It’s either that or someone has blocking powers that they aren’t telling us about. And assuming that an unconfirmed Townie is the Omega Wolf, it IS possible for one Cabal to still be alive.

I suppose you do have apoint there… but then I’m still suspicious of your claimed stalk on nesta… where did the other kill go that night? I supposethat one was role-blocked, as well?

[ShadowFacts]

@Diomedes

See, Zoggie, this is the way to false-claim! This is a much better work of fantasy. I ain’t buying that there’s Cabal left: while I feel like there should have been more of them, there are still two wolves and an undead out there, and the numbers don’t just add up for there to still be a Cabalist left.

I tend to agree about not having enough space for a Cabalist. From my perspective, knowing that I am Town, and knowing there are 2 Wolves plus a Necromancer, it looks like this:

• Confirmed Claims -

• Diomedes - Witch
• Blaster Master - Witch
• sachertorte - Coroner

• Unconfirmed Claims -

• Santos Rugger - Freemason
• Zoggie - Magician
• HazelNutCoffee - Vigilante
• dotchan - Vicar (sorry, you’re not 100% confirmed in my mind yet, although likely at this point)

• No Claims -

• DiggitCamara
• ShadowFacts (obviously, I have MYSELF as confirmed, but you guys cannot)

So (again from my point of view) there are absolutely at least 3 scum and 5 people to choose from. dotchan, while not confirmed to me, is probably the Vicar, so that makes it 3 scum out of 4.

So, if **HNC **is the Vig, then that leaves 3 people left for 2 wolves and a Necro. Not enough space for a Cabalist.

So, as I see it, if **dotchan **and I are telling the truth (and I am ), **HNC **could not have been blocked by a Cabalist, because there is no room left for one.

[HazelNutCoffee]

@Diomedes

I suppose you do have apoint there… but then I’m still suspicious of your claimed stalk on nesta… where did the other kill go that night? I supposethat one was role-blocked, as well?

Well, obviously I don’t know. I’ve already stated that there are a few possibilites - the Wolves abstained, the Wolves were blocked, the Wolves and I chose the same target. Take your pick.

As for ShadowFacts, well. Your theory depends on the assumption that you are telling the truth. And even if you are, that leaves Diggit, Rugger, Zoggie, and me as question marks. That’s four, not three. Nice try.

[HazelNutCoffee]

NETA: Never mind. I misunderstood your point, Shadowfacts.

So, yes, either way, someone is lying.

[Boozahol_Squid_P.I]

@HazelNutCoffee

NETA: Never mind. I misunderstood your point, Shadowfacts.

So, yes, either way, someone is lying.

Or both of you are lying. Another strong possibility in my mind. There aren’t that many good townie roles left after the Vig, Masons, Witches, Detective, and Vicar are gone. If Shadow’s the Seer, he’s taken an awfully big chance on waiting this long to reveal his information. And because at least one of the two of you is lying, I can’t imagine Pleo including a Magician or Scotsman, but not a Vig. Just doesn’t make sense.
But Shadow could definitely be the Omega, and you could be the other wolf… or the Necro… or even possibly a final hidden Cabalist…?