Sorry I’ve been absent, this week has been very busy. I"m catching up now, and will post once I’ve finished.
VOTE COUNT: DAY TWO - SATURDAY
- Dante G (4 votes) - Prof. Pepperwinkle (703), Diggitcamara (764), Thing Fish (808), Cygnus42 (852)
- TexCat (3 votes) - Biotop (701), Nonsuch (741), Plumpudding (746)
- Plumpudding (1 vote) - Dante G (713)
- Thing Fish (1 vote) - Precambrianmollusc (718)
- JSexton (1 vote) - Mahaloth (730)
Day Two will end on Monday, August 3, at noon EST (I will not likely be around to end the Day, however, until closer to 2:00PM).
I realize that I never posted the resolution to the tiebreaker issue. So, this’ll be it: at any time, the person who should be the tiebreaker according to the rules may PM the moderator to defer the tiebreaker. If this happens, a tie will be resolved by random.org. There will be no public indication of how a given tie is resolved.
Wow. Very interesting approach — still allows players some agency, but the fact that it’s all done in a black box means even more furious speculation if and when a tie finally does occur. Seems almost sadistic when you think about it. 
This means the First Mason can break a tie anonymously, yes?
As I understand it, unless the First Mason PMed storyteller otherwise, his would be the tie-breaking vote.
So, let’s say there’s a tie. The First Mason’s vote breaks the tie UNLESS he PM’s storyteller and says not to, in which case the Alpha Wolf’s vote breaks the tie. The First Mason would then know within a certain range of voters that one of them is the Alpha Wolf. Is this correct?
No. The tie would be resolved randomly.
Oh, right. Thanks, I missed that. So, there’s no way to tell whether or not the First Mason broke the tie or not, which keeps him safer. Good.
Hate this whole post, but especially the end. Voting for you should not be rolling the dice, at least not from your perspective! You’re either town or you’re scum.
Vote Dante G
We can not learn anything* for sure *from a tie…but we can get …indications. Hmmm…
Dante G. doesn’t seem to know which side he is on. Why would any townsperson tell us to “roll the dice”? I will not shed a tear if he is lynched this day.
Sort of. I mean, we would already know if the first mason is dead or not in advance, so we would know for sure who the first mason suspected as scum. And I guess we would know who another remaining mason isn’t, but we wouldn’t get much info. since the first mason is almost as blind as all of us in terms of who scum is.
Still, better the first mason picking than a scum.
Why do you hate it. I was simply being honest in explaining why I have been voting the way I have as wwell as honest about my playing style. What is there to hate.
Yes, you are taking your chances. With any lynch this early on, we as town take our chances. We take a chance in losing town or killing Scum. So sure I was stating the obvious a bit when I paraphrased Jack Nicholson in a Few Good Men, but it seems like there is no reason to come down on me for honesty.
We wouldn’t know either of these things for sure. We will never have any reason to know whether the tie was resolved randomly unless the person with tiebreaking authority tells us.
So.what I’m wondering at the moment is whether we need to know whether TexCat is Town before it makes sense to try to unpack what we have on our hands, or whether we can get to the same place from other directions. The very end of day brouhaha, even from my privileged position of knowing that I, one of the key late Day movers who ended up shifting away from TexCat, am Town, is pretty inscrutable.
So, cribbing from Thing Fish’ summary from above, I’m trying to imagine different scenarios from this point until the fiasco at the end:
One obvious thing is that JSexton is tied for the lead here, and the danger to him just drains right away from here on out. If TexCat is Town, then there’s one person who benefits from what followed.
If TexCat is Scum, then obviously TexCat benefited, and that’s a more straightforward thing to think about from there.
Dante G, I continue to have no idea what he’s doing and he doesn’t seem interested in explaining. Prof. Pepperwinkle has explained what he’s doing, which I guess is accurately summarized as crowdsourcing, which isn’t a great program. Votes on either of those are/would be totally justified, in my opinion. Plumpudding has been discussed plenty, and I think I get the JSexton vote, too.
The problem, as I see it, is that a lot of these cases depend on clumsiness or hamhandedness or weirdness. I’m not sure that we’re making a good
whoops. Submitted in the middle of that post.
Finishing up quickly - my concern is that I don’t know that lynching Dante right now is going to place us on a good footing for what comes next. It’s not clear to me that it would really be super informative as to any other players. On the flipside, going a different way now could shed some light on a lot of things, Dante’s allegiances included, and if he’s scum he’s not going anywhere.
It seems to me that based on the way the last Day ended, there’s no way around the fact that we need to know what’s up with TexCat and thus the TexCat / septimus thing. If anyone’s keeping track, I believe this means I was against this, before I was for it, before I was against it again, but now I’m for it:
Vote TexCat
Okay, gang. I’m going out of town tomorrow on business and will be back on Thursday. This is important because it means I’ll most likely be on the road for EoD (depends on when my check-in time for the hotel is). I’d like to get my final vote in before that happens.
I know the record is out there, but we’re coming up on a thousand posts and I was really focused on septimus at yesterday’s EoD. Could somebody summarize the case on Texcat for me? Jimmy Chitwood’s point about a Dante lynch not giving us much extra data is well taken.
vote Sangfroid
Sangfroid has posted very few opinions about anything, in spite of my asking a few times. He looks too much like scared scum trying to lie low. The complete wall:
His posts:
91 Confirming PM
146 States the obvious: “Vote switching can be perilous sometimes.”, agrees that a mason for a wolf is a good trade.
171 Weekends are slow.
223 Reacts, or more precisely, doesn’t react to a vote from Dante. Does say “Pretty quick defense and an abstain from Nonsuch, though.”
253 Backs off any opinion on Nonsuch. More statements of the obvious: “Tough call, first day. Gotta lynch somebody”
310 “Just checking in before dinner; got a question to post a little later about the game mechanics here.” I never did see this question, although I did ask about it in 452
388 “I tend not to post much until I have something of value to add” “Still not quite ready to call out anyone as Scum, but parts of the conversation sure sound like a wolf-fight to me” Septimus asks about “wolf-fight” in 391
This is the post that first raised my suspicions. It appears that Sangfroid might have suspects, but is unwilling to name them? What good does that do town? Why is Sangfroid so reluctant to share with town?
473 “Need to reread a bit more and assess.”
Can anyone detect a reason for this vote?
538 “Based on my own readings and interpretations, as well as those of others here that are a lot more experienced on this board than I, my vote stands.” Hmmkay. Although we still have no clue what those readings and interpretations are?
543 OOG
560 Seconds request for vote count.
667"D’OH!" 684 685 Night fluff.
732 Says he was following Chronos’ vote for me. Talks about the crafty wolves relishing their victory. My comments in 794
739 Disagrees with Biotop that the wolves were just lucky. “I am taking a very close look at those who put a whole lot of effort into adding to that big 'ol pile of churn”
856 OOG followed by “I have more to sort through. I will try to engage more, and ask questions of those I have questions about.”
That’s an interesting post from TexCat. It shows genuine work. More importantly, though, I would expect scum to push for the other vote leader (Dante g) or at the very least another player under suspicion (me or plum pudding). Which makes the likelier cases for TexCat either town, or Co scum with danteg.
Which in either case makes me want to vote Dante G. His continued ambivalence about his own alignment is very unusual. Clearly the play style on his usual board is very different. I knew one group who considered lying in mafia to be borderline cheating, and thus it was common for everyone to waffle when asked their alignment. I wonder if that’s what’s going on here? Dante G, what is your alignment?
With five minutes to go, you changed your vote to break a tie between TexCat and someone we now know to be Town. Do I really need to draw you a picture of why this is going to look very bad for you if TexCat turns up scum?
sangfroid, the good news is that I thought your OOG content on post 856 seemed very heartfelt and sincere. I can certainly remember asking “WTF did I get myself into??” in my first game here. The bad news is that the sincere part sounded like it was written by a completely different person than the one who has been writing all your posts, which all seem to follow the same basic three-part structure as this one:
Paranoid Defensiveness
If you’re wanting to vote for someone who thinks you’re acting scummy, please feel free to vote for me.
Vague, unsubstantiated “suspicions” which don’t name names.
Empty Promise to return soon with real analysis
That is starting to sound very, very familiar. If you’re Town, please start playing the game or you’re going to get lynched.