Oh, yes, I hadn’t noticed just how closely that agreed with my count! :dubious:Trying to find a lazy way to look helpful to town, are we? Bad wolf, no Milk-Bone!
Mmmm, What a TWIST!
What? You just found it easier to cut and paste my vote count, edit out the names that made it obviously mine, and post it without crediting me rather than just quoting my post?
And with that I am probably done posting until Sunday (cue collective sigh of relief).
I’m not gonna lurk, I just can’t be here as much and I’ve explained why.
Assuming we can lynch scum, yeah we’re fine. Do you find a perfect or near to perfect lynch-ratio by town from this day on a likely result? If not, then I think we agree that we should be as thorough as possible.
But isn’t that the standard anyway? When are we NOT going to be careful and thorough. It’s non-advice. You might as well tell us to remember to convert oxygen into carbon dioxide with our lungs.
Actually I did copy/paste your vote count to post. It was easier than tallying votes all over again, since there had been no changes since you posted your count.
I did it once and I’ll do it again, I’m sure. I can’t be stopped!
Ever!
Well, ok, I’m sure I can be stopped, but still…
Do you think most Day One lynches are thorough and careful? Would you still feel comfortable not even voting toDay? Do most Day One lynches result in a Guardian getting lynched? Do you think it is a good idea to be a bit more careful after such a day, especially since another power, already most likely town and a very active player got NK’d?
I carefully read your analysis of Plumpudding since he’s been tingling my scumdar as well. It’s a little odd to me that one of the big issues you have with him is that he doesn’t mind sacrificing townies for the greater good, but your own reponse here is based on “if he’s town it’s no big loss to lynch him”. Kind of a strange tack from you.
Other than that, I defintiely agree that Plum’s action aren’t particularly pro-town. I can’t tell whether they’re coming from a scum mindset or just from a wildly different playstyle. I’m not really interested in lynching him toDay, but toMorrow I’d like to revisit what he’s been up to, with knowledge gained from a couple more bodies.
Yes, given constraints imposed by lack of solid info.
Loaded and misleading question. I did vote yesterDay, and my intention was to be voting at the end of the Day, but real life intervened. I certainly intend to be voting by the end of toDay as well.
Of course not.
No. We were sufficiently careful before, but it didn’t work out the way we hoped. That happens. The process is fine, and you can’t condemn it on the basis of a single outcome.
(And it’s weird to me that you are panicking over an active player getting nightkilled. Because of course they were! What else did you expect? Scum were going to skip a nightkill? Kill a lurker? Kill the runner up in votes for us to save us some trouble? No, they do what they always do, kill active analysts that are unlikely to be lynched. That’s going to happen every night from here on out, so deep breath, get used to it.)
In this game, we’re also mostly new players adding an element of uncertainty and paranoia. “Ideal for beginners.”
I see that. And I’m understanding of real life making make-believe arguing difficult. You didn’t vote, because you wanted to see how things were developing, then you got your hands full. I can see that and I’m sorry.
So that’s one more extraordinary thing making this game even harder. Combined with the incident of the tie-breaker mechanic and it’s discussion, I wouldn’t call this a game “ideal for beginners” anymore.
Okay. I don’t agree with the first sentence, but I do agree with the second half of the second sentence. I didn’t work out the way I hoped, but it did work out the way some of us, town, hoped, unless you think everyone voting for septimus was scum. And no, the process is never fine, it is never optimal and there will always be something to improve upon. One of those things, that I felt hampering and made me quite obsessive, was how lurking seemed to be defended. I took it too far, apparently, but you can’t possibly believe participation and substabtial input was divided evenly among players yesterDay.
First of all, I’m not panicking. I don’t know where you’re getting that from. Second of all, if I would have, it would have been because that a second power-role, one that didn’t really get to show us the benefit of that, that was NK’d. Him being town, active and now dead just makes the game harder. They would have offed a town no matter what and probably someone that was on some kind of a trail of them.
So… where is Sario?
(spent all day reading the thread off and on, but no chance to post before this - hope I manage to get my thoughts out coherently)
My main suspects are still the same from Day 1: **Dante G **and JSexton.
**Dante **continues to be vague and mysterious today, which is not (by itself) inherently scummy, but I do have to wonder what the purpose is. There’s more than enough from Dante to at least warrant a vote.
**JSexton **- many/most of his posts thus far seem like they’ve been drive-by ‘that seems scummy’/ (or sometimes ‘this is townie’)-type comments on other players, trying to pick on one phrase here or there. Maybe trying to sound helpful, in a non-specific, non-commital way.
Starting on post 756, Dante questions JSexton - and is satisfied by 762. Couple scums covering for their scum-buddies? Maybe…
**Plumpudding **- I suspect more of a naturally aggressive player as town rather than scum. Even Bayard’s lengthy analysis is calling him out for being annoying more so than scummy. Though the ‘Exhilarating’ post was definitely out of place, given the circumstances.
Thing Fish seems likely town to me - good analysis of the first day. I’m not sure how **Texcat **and I got tied together in his book. I said back in Day 1 that I didn’t get a scum sense from her - which is still the case. So, I know I’m Town, and would say she’s likely town, so I can’t really argue. Unless she gets lynched, and turns up wolfy - then I’d have to argue.
With all that…
vote Dante G
I think we need to figure out the answer to the Dante question sooner, rather than later. In retrospect, he would have been the ideal Day 1 lynch - so I’m hoping we can make it Day 2 at least.
I don’t have any in-depth analysis at the moment, but I want to go on record being against a mass “scum listing,” at least for the moment, and certainly not this close to the end of the Day.
I will get try to get a vote in tomorrow. I’m mostly satisfied by **Thing Fish’s ** spar with me, so will be looking at the other extant cases.
Wait, you mean… Damn!
Yeah, true. I think my vote was a combination of two things. One was the sense that if he is town, his play has been so destructive that it would be warranted to do away with him so we can work on solutions in peace. And the other was, after a 3,000-word screed, by god, I wanted to see his name in blue.
In the intervening day or so, I’ve cooled off a little. Thinking it over, I’ve come round to the point of view espoused by you and others that we can’t afford to kill off our own, especially after the stinging defeat of Day One. I do think he is probably town for now. So:
unvote Plumpudding
Having said that, I want to ask you about this:
Plumpudding’s play so far has fallen somewhere on a spectrum reaching from “Distracting” to “Disastrous”. He’s finally agreeing to take it back a notch, but you’re encouraging him to keep talking. What is your thinking on this one? Is this helpful to Town?
Yeah, he hasn’t posted in this thread since asking for a vote count as Day One came to an end. He doesn’t appear to be a real prolific poster in general on the board, so maybe he’s just not really engaged in the game. But, as I mentioned in a previous post, I am beginning to get suspicious of his vote for septimus (which he didn’t really explain), followed by silence. I’m going to hold off on voting till later in the (calendar) weekend or maybe Monday, but I am starting to wonder about him.
[Out of Game Content]
First, I just wanted to comment about the mechanics and play here on the SD, and my reaction(s) so far.
I find our group to be quite animated, very loquacious (overall), and not just a little intense, relative to what I have experienced elsewhere. As mentioned upthread, not exactly a beginners game.
Also, most of my play on other sites had quite a bit more “backstory” or color to the game, as well as not quite so much time between Days. This longer stretch of time does seem to foster more conversation, but makes it more strained as well, IMO.
This is just an explanation of what I recall from earlier experiences. I have to add that I am enjoying myself, and the game, regardless of not having a ton of content to offer so far. I do realize this can lead to suspicions, but quite a few of our group have had stretches of time away, including our Mod, and I rather expect this in a long game.
I’m having fun, learning how things operate here, and will continue to play as best as I know how to under the circumstances. I hope everyone else has fun too! [/OoGC]
All that said, I do have serious reservations about those who have darted me so far, starting with Dante G.
My vote will likely fall to one of them soon enough.
Day One always sucks for Town - we know nothing and can be easily goaded into cannibalizing each other. Others have mentioned that the black hats like to lay low early, but as much as I understand that thought process, as well as having seen that behavior before, I do not believe it to be the case here.
I am trying, best as I can, to figure out just who the wolves have set up as their sacrificial lamb in the Town conversation, because I really believe there is one. By that I mean one of the more vocal players.
Hey, maybe I am flying way out in the breeze here - this is very new to me, on this board - but I remain skeptical that only Townies were posting the bulk of substance on Day One.
We’ll see.
I have more to sort through. I will try to engage more, and ask questions of those I have questions about.
Thank you for this. As a Noob, I wasn’t sure whether or not all of this dialogue on the mechanisms of game play was normal or not. Good to know.
I can really relate to Sangfroids OOG post. It’s pretty much how I have ave been feeling as well. Good post.
Here’s what I know: I lean town on him, but not strongly. The only way to figure out his alignment is if he posts. Yes, I think he’s been more distracting then helpful, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want him to post. I want everyone to post! Post thoughts, opinions, and votes.
Two points:
- What I was trying to say is that I think this is a pretty good idea for town; just that I don’t think it should be executed during the first three Days
- You misunderstand the role of the Seer. The Seer’s role isn’t to spot Wolves; it is to be able to confirm identities. This is mostly important during the end game; at that time a good list of non-lynched, non-Night-killed people becomes very important to win.