Actually, it appears that both the doctor and the victim will be notified:
What specifically do you find interesting about it?
Well I haven’t done an analysis of who said what when , but I think we’d find something revealing if we look at those who advocated for all investigators to investigate N1 and compare it to those who are now advocating that investigators not say anything.
For instance, if you’re currently advocating that investigators not reveal themselves and on D1 your position was for investigators to not investigate (either all of them or any of them), that shows a pattern of wanting town to remain in the dark.
indeed, i should have used them not it. now, to clarify, i meant that we won’t really know when it’s a good time to investigate. we won’t know when the Cloak is in play. my belief was that scum would prefer to use the Cloak later in the game when there are less places for them to hide, especially if they think that the investigators will delay the use of their powers. but after rereading the the Cloak’s description i realize my error. it’s not a one Night thing. it stays until the bearer is killed. the Cloak will therefore be likely used on N1. i 'm guessing it will be on a scum rather than a townie.
no, it means you don’t tell until later in the Day so there is discussion first.
directing IMO is not the appropriate term. i don’t have any coercive power. i was just making my sentiments known.
now it’s tempting to vote for Texcat but i see the argument why it is likelier she is town.
i will Vote Snickers for the same reasons as in D1.
ignore this, trying to clear out my quote queue
well that didn’t work worth shit…
My intent when I posted was not to say “here’s where you guys all screwed up,” it was to point out that I thought your votes were scummy. I am surprised you took it as a personal slam and I’m sorry if that’s the way I came across.
However I still find Mhaye’s vote the scummiest of the three so once again;
vote Mhaye
On reporting any night results, I agree it’s a good idea to hold off a bit for now. If an investigator has a positive result on scum, that could wait until a few hours before the lynch, provided the investigator can be certain they’ll be around on that day. For any other info, it’s a balance between giving scum a chance to incriminate themselves, and giving town enough time to review it properly before end of Day. It’s frustrating for everyone when there is likely to be some shiny info to share, but it’s probably the best play for town.
The best result for town is if Visorslash is not The Pardoner. That would give us one confirmed (Visor) and a semi-confirmed (whoever claims Pardoner). The scum would have had to burn The Momento in order to save him. (The Pardoner would probably be the worst role for scum to be assigned, as they could only fake-claim by performing a public pro-town action, losing a tool in the process. And even then, the fake claim would be discoverable, if The Clerk checks The Momento’s status).
Second best result for us is if Visorslash is The Pardoner (seems very likely), and The Canon recharged him during the Night. That would semi-confirm The Canon (see point about The Momento above), and give town another use of the pardon.
Waiting until two hours before the lynch is a terrible idea. How much longer do you guys want want for potential investigator results? This Day is much shorter than yesterDay, ending Thursday between 1 and 5 pm eastern.
I think the chances that Scum would use the Momento in order to perform a pro-town action are so exceedingly small, I’d mark it at zero for all consideration purposes.
Also, I’m going to
vote Snickers.
Something pinged my radar yesterDay. That ping hasn’t been alleviated with the passage of time.
Reveals help town more than scum, so I’ll start.
I am the summoner. I watched Suburban Plankton last night. He did not visit anyone and nobody visited him.
The reason I chose to watch Plankton is that he managed to avoid almost any scrutiny on Day 1. I figured if scum were going to use a tool on Night 1, they’d pick the scum who had the least suspicion cast upon them to do it. I did not (and still do not) have any particular lean on Suburban Plankton one way or the other.
I know it’s not much to go on, but hopefully this will help kickstart the discussion.
I had initially agreed, but might there not be one good scum strategy to a Night One no-kill?
If I’m not mistaken, this is the first game where scum have a finite number of nightkills at their disposal. If they think the game will last awhile, then they might have decided to skip killing the first Night when they’re more likely to be blocked/watched, instead opting to all lay low. Not a crazy idea, really…
Is anyone saying that? Or are they saying “Don’t reveal your results until later in the Day”?
I’d suggest revealing 24 hours before the Day can end, since we have people from around the world in the game.
And on preview, those last two are kind of moot now…
Unvote Enderw24 (not sure if votes persist overnight)
I’m still mildly suspicious of him, but he is getting into scumhunting more now, and he isn’t my preferred lynch.
Vote MHaye
As I said in this post, I find it strange MHaye would go from advocating the importance of the lynch to considering no-lynch. His response here sidesteps my question, what changed his mind? Strikes me as possible scum forgetfulness of his earlier post. Scum are more likely than town to make this kind of mistake, as they don’t have the same investment in the arguments they are making.
He makes a vote for Visorslash in the same post, which he says is weak. His follow-up review turns up nothing worth voting for, and he has no observations to share.
All we need for a positive investigation reveal is enough time to get the lynch votes down. A premature reveal of scum would kill off discussion for the Day. Two hours would be cutting it a bit fine, which is why I suggested a few.
For any other info, I’m going to do a u-turn. Ideally, everyone would have a vote down before any reveals, but that’s looking unlikely to happen. As you say, we are running short of time, so my preference would be to have any results sooner rather than later.
@Mosier - Did you submit your action early or late in the Night (I’m aware it would make no difference to game mechanics, I have another reason for asking).
I don’t have a “smell feet” night power, so I have no way of confirming this.
@fubbleskag - Poorly worded on my part, I’m interested in what changed your mind.
If The Pardoner is scum, they would have to choose between fake-claiming and accepting that that player is doomed once town mass-claims. They would have to balance the pro-town aspect against the loss of a quarter of their team.
In between. It was Friday evening.
Thanks for the quick response.
I’m going to hold off commenting on Mosier’s claim for the time being, as I’m very interested to hear what other players think of it.
Vote: TexCat
I am not convinced she is town.
I can confirm that I did not visit anyone last Night.
Would you care to expand upon that? Because “I’m not convinced [player] is Town” is something that pretty much everyone in this game could say about pretty much everyone else (with the exception of yourself) right now, I’d think…
First, want to say good job to Visorslash for the fine play. I look forward to seeing what his thoughts are for the Day.
As for not taking a stance of any kind, I voted for you. How is that not taking a stance. Yes, I was considering other possibilities and I would have been doing that whether I wrote them down here or not. I will concede a bit of a point when you say I was barely making a case. My case was fairly simple. I thought your reaction to Stanislaus was an attempt at misdirection. You ranted about the third vote principle, which was just a parenthetical remark by Stanislaus. You did not seem to pay as much attention to the rest of his case. And although I had already voted by the time you responded to me, I also thought your response tried to make me look as bad as possible so you would have some reason to vote against me. Even though my case is simple and doesn’t rely on a lot of different actions by you, I consider your actions the scummiest I have seen.
I must say when I was catching up and read this, I had the same reaction as Texcat. I thought it had to be a scum slip. Reading on, though, I see at least three other players do not necessarily think it is. I doubt all three of gnarly’s scum buddies would be coming to his defense. So, while I thought it was a definite scum slip, I have to concede that it is apparently not as clear cut as I thought.
I like this suggestion.
Obviously, I find Snickers suspicious since I voted him(her?), but could you expound on what pinged you.
I am not really convinced anyone except you and me is Town. Is it because she was advocating the no-lynch?
Anyway, I find Snickers still the most suspicious, so
Vote Snickers
I only plan on placing a single vote, but my next choice would be MHaye for the reasons sinjin gave, especially the late in the Day vote on the wagon leader.
After that, it would be gnarly because I am not convinced that his statement was not a scum slip.
I think Suburban would be the next on my list for the reasons given by Stanislaus.
I have sat down to write this post about a half dozen times today, but have been interrupted everytime. I apologize for not showing up till a bit late in the Day.