No, I’m not and no it isn’t.
Since we still have some time to build a wagon, I’ll follow through with my earlier suggestion.
Vote: Babale
I probably would not have made that vote this early in the game if it wasn’t for the Pardoner likely having his power back. I feel confident he’ll use it today, and not risk losing it to the scum night attack.
Here’s a fuller version of my case against fubbleskag. I caught him out a couple times on Day 1, I’ve been mulling over since is whether I caught a scum or a townie.
If you want to read the exchange, it’s post #128 onwards.
He first got my attention when voting me and **Enderw24 **early in the game. The case against **Ender **struck me as contrived, possibly going after an easy target. The most obvious flaw was that he’d included a joke post (I thought it was a good joke as well). Reviewing Ender, I thought there was a better case to be made against him as an active lurker. I also didn’t like his complete dismissal of fubbleskag’s case, so I dropped a vote on him.
I got quite a sarcastic, blustery post from **fubbleskag **when I pointed out Ender’s joke post. I was struck by his inconsistency on two counts. He expanded on his case to accuse me of active lurking, ignoring the fact I’d actually commented on players, while **Ender **had not. When pressed, he also said I was his top choice for a lynch, despite Ender’s complete failure to respond to him. When I pointed that out, he immediately did a u-turn, and un-voted me, saying he hadn’t decided what to make of Ender’s response. That looks like scum retreating under pressure to me – he only started engaging with what I was saying once it became clear he could catch heat for it.
His unvote of **Ender **(#217) also struck me as off. If scum, he needed to find a justification for why he’d pressed his case on me but not Ender. I don’t think this is a good argument:
“when someone accused of being scum takes an irritated “this is bullshit” approach to their defense, is it more often because they’re a Townie frustrated by a weak case or a Scum upset that they got caught out on something silly?”
That’s an invitation for scum to throw toys under pressure, anyone can type “bullshit”. Looking at Ender’s posts in-between, I don’t see why** fubbleskag** would get a town read off him.
Reviewing him again later, I found he toyed with the idea of no-lynch early in the game. Later on, he used advocating no-lynch as part of his justification for voting Enderw24 and TexCat. That’s opportunistic. I asked him what changed his mind, but never got a satisfactory response.
Wow, that’s a crap vote. First off, both gnarlycharlie and MentalGuy are voting me for stale reasons - they haven’t built any sort of case on me beyond their D1 cases, which were weak then and are now moot anyway. I’ve already tried to (probably not very well) give explanations behind my thinking that day, nearly all of which doesn’t matter now at all. They’re hiding behind weak cases, IMO, that they haven’t even bothered to update. And this, Hal, oof - seems to me like you’re almost saying “I don’t really think she’s scum, but if she’s town, well, killing her will at least confirm her,” which seems really anti-town to me. And you don’t seem to want to build any sort of case against me either.
Wait. I’m misreading you. You’re behind the idea of lynching me and then Visor saving me with his recharged power, provided that he’s really been recharged by sinjin. I think. Is this correct? I sure hope that all of those assumptions are correct, and that Visor will choose to use his power that way.
Hey folks, I’m back…the weekend turned out to be unexpectedly busy, then I got as far as getting ‘caught up’ yesterday before real life intruded again. I think I’ve finally got some time to devote to the game today…
I have a bunch of posts marked that I need to review and reply to, which I’ll be doing presently.
Vote Alka
Between the three wagons of people to be confirmed, I suspect Allah the most. There’s a lot of accusations thrown out from that direction, but very little substance. Snickers lungs me a little, but not more so than some others, as of now. And I know that I’m not Scum, so I don’t need to confirm that to myself. I’d rather not get lynched and pardoned since there’s a chance the restorative was used on an investigator, which is why I’d rather risk someone who I believe could be Scum as opposed to someone I know is not.
Mosier, I’m sorry to say that your vote screams of OMGUS to me. But I get what you’re doing, since I was doing it myself. And Town are susceptible to OMGUS, too :P. No hard feelings, eh?
I realize you’re Confirmed Town, but you’re being extremely lazy here. A bit of exposition would be helpful to the rest of us. The good thing about having confirmed Townies is that we don’t need to worry about your motivations, or the validity of your suspicions. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that your suspicions are correct, so we need to know the basis behind them if they’re going to be of real use to us.
And you’re *not *confirmed so exposition would be even more useful here…
I don’t care for this post at all. **story **has just told us that nonparticipatory players will be ‘dealt with’ in a manner that *may *include mod-killing; it seems to me from reading his post that a mod-kill is a ‘last resort’. I don’t see anything in story’s post that gives us a reason to completely ignore **Mahaloth **and **KellyCriterion **…especially considering that neither of them fit the definition of ‘non-participants’ at the time this was posted. Certainly they had not (and still have not) posted much, but they did post on both Days 1 and 2, so there’s no reasonable way I can see that they could be removed for non-participation. Alka Seltzer is basically just asking us to remove two players from consideration for no good reason.
I think you’re off base here; I don’t see a problem with think **Ender’s **reasoning. Visorslash is the only confirmed player in the game right now, so that makes him a danger to Scum in that regard, and therefore a likely target for a Night Kill.
On the other hand, as you say he is probably Vanilla, so that might make him possibly a lesser priority for Scum than someone who might still have a Power to use…but I think it’s by no means a ‘sure thing’ one way or another. Ender’s decision may have been ‘wrong’ in this case, but I don’t think it was necessarily ‘bad’.
And of course, you *weren’t *wrong, because it appears that Scum *did *“pick off a power instead of a 100% vanilla townie early in the game”. **story **told us as much in the Dawn post.
NETA: **Snickers **mentioned in the post I quoted that **Visorslash **admitted to using his power. I didn’t catch that…did he confirm that he is the Pardoner?
I can’t decide if this is a good idea or not.
Obviously, if Today’s lynch candidate is Town, then it’s a good plan. It saves us a mislynch and gives us another Confirmed Townie.
But if our candidate is Scum, then it costs us a lynch and gives the Scum one more chance to use whatever ability that player has. Yes, it gives us a confirmed Scum to lynch the next Day, but even that has its downside in stifling conversation.
Of course the flipside to this is that if he doesn’t pardon Today’s candidate and they flip Town, then we suffer a mislynch where we could have avoided it.
Like I said, I don’t know if it’s a good idea or not. I guess we need to leave the decision to **Visorslash **(assuming there is a decision there for him to make), based on his own opinion of whomever the lynch candidate turns out to be.
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I think you need to stop posting from your phone…I’m pretty sure Allah is one of the good guys… 
I really, really do. Sorry Alka. And Allah.
Right now, we are not 100% guaranteed that
- Visorslash is the Pardoner
- Sinjin chose the Restorative as his power
- Sinjin used the Restorative on Visorslash
- Visorslash, power now restored, will use his power on today’s lynch
There are those advocating “hey everyone, go ahead and lynch whoever you want to. It’s all good!” No. It’s not all good. ALL FOUR of those need to be true and even then, it may not be good strategy. I find your assumptions to be really suspect and I’m wondering why you’re leading us down that path.
MentalGuy, Hal Briston, Mosier, I’m looking at you.
How can we make any meaningful determination of their alignment from what they have posted so far? Did you miss the part where I said “if they turn up and start playing, good.”? There are multiple scum to find, and actual cases on the table. Lynching Mahaloth or KellyCriterion toDay gives us nothing new to work with if they flip town.
Neither are obvious picks for the scum team, as they are vote magnets. But they are a huge headache for town. Who wants to risk losing the game to an un-engaged player?
(The Allah thing is the first smile I’ve got out of the game toDay.)
On preview - @Ender we can be fairly sure sinjin used the restorative, as the elixir of true sight would be useless unless an investigator claimed before investigating.
I’m having some trouble with the votes on Snickers.
Today, gnarlycharlie, MentalGuy, and Hal Briston have all voted for Snickers, but none of them has really given a reason why.
Yesterday, gnarlycharlie, Enderw24, and MentalGuy all voted for him, and all three basically said “I was suspicious of him Yesterday (Day 1), so I’m voting for him again Today”.
So, going all the way back to Day 1…
Enderw24 voted Snickers because “But there’s something about the way Snickers has gone about trying to get us to hold off on D1 lynchings that’s been nagging at me for awhile.”…and later unvoted him to vote for Visorslash
Stanislaus voted for him saying “Snickers’ has spent virtually every post arguing about N1 investigations, including with repeated mentions of how he’s going to stop talking about it. Aside from one initial comment about visorslash, that’s all he’s talked about:”
MentalGuy said “While reading and getting caught up on today’s play, though, I decided I was going to vote for Snickers. His response to Stanislaus just seems too focused on the wrong things, like he is trying to distract from the real issues that Stanislaus had with him.”
And finally gnarlycharlie said “anyway, as much as i believe it likely majority of scum are experienced, i am open to the idea that they may have purposely chosen a new player…i don’t like his insistence that investigators shouldn’t investigate early in the game. he implies that the investigators will be shooting blind and will likely be finding town. that isn’t a bad thing.”
All of those are fine reasons for voting someone on Day 1. But they’re not all that great on Day 3. You’d think that something would have come up in 2+ days of play that would be worthy of comment over “I’ll go ahead and vote for the same guy yet again”.
But of all the votes on him Today, the one that really pings me is Hal’s.
First, if Snickers has pinged Hal, Hal has certainly never made that apparent. I can only find two posts all game where Hal even mentions Snickers, both back on Day 1: Post 210 where he is upset with Snickers’ mischaracterization of him, and his very next post, Post 245, where he apologizes for his reaction. Since that point, not a single mention of Snickers until now.
Secondly, he says “If he’s town, woohoo, getting another confirmed would be sweet.” That’s correct, assuming that Visorslash a) has another chance to use his ability, and b) chooses to use it on Snickers. If either of these is not the case, then “woohoo”, Snickers could turn out to be a Confirmed *Dead *Townie. I really don’t like Hal’s devil-may-care attitude here. Combined with his similar attitude Yesterday
and his No-Lynch vote on Day 1, that’s enough for me to
vote Hal Briston
Suburban Plankton, earlier when Babale tossed some trash at Visor (in a friendly way that was misconstrued, as Babale clarified later), Visor responded with something like “I used my power to help town and haven’t insulted anyone.” Ah, found it: post 393.
I’ve done a re-read through Alka Seltzer’s posts, and I’m not seeing the case on him. I do think he’s misreading fubbleskag’s post 217 - in my mind, fubbleskag wrote this as a response to Hal’s “goddamn, Snickers!” and not with Ender in mind at all.
I’ve also re-read fubbleskag’s posts, and I’m not getting a scum vibe from him, either.
I need to review others; I’ll try to have a vote today.
I’ll grant you that perhaps I read too much into your statement “I’m inclined to ignore Mahaloth and KellyCriterion for the time being”…but nowhere did I say we should lynch either of them Today…only that we shouldn’t “ignore them”.
There are a number of problems with your statement here that “Neither are obvious picks for the scum team, as they are vote magnets”:
[ol]
[li]The first Scum was picked at random, so could be anyone[/li][li]We have a number of new players in this game who would have no knowledge of anyone’s history, and would basically be picking teammates at random themselves[/li][li]if your analysis of them as “vote magnets” is true, then Scum might want to pick them for that very reason, simply because “scum wouldn’t do that”[/li][/ol]
I do agree with your reply to Ender that it is quite probable that sinjin used the Restorative on Visorslash the Pardoner. But Ender is correct that we shouldn’t simply assume that is the case and that therefore Today’s lynch candidate 'doesn’t matter". It’s probably the case that Visorslash has the *ability *to save someone from a lynch Today, but it is far from certain that he *will *(or even should) do so.
The arguments against Hal are actually fairly convincing. I don’t like multivotes, so I will remove one before EoD, but to now, Vote Hal. The reason I didn’t pick up on this myself is that I haven’t been rereading the thread from day 1, so Hal’s about face wasn’t clear to me.
In reviewing things, I note that **Visorslash **did tell us he was going to be away from the game due to a death in the family, so I retract much of my commentary here. My overall point still stands, but Visor gets a pass in this instance.