So of the Miller, Canon, Man of Law, and Knight, which do you think is the doctor, given that RyJae has already claimed Physician.
The Physician is not dead.
We have four dead; Texcat the Miller, Sinjin the Vicar, fubbleskag the Man of Law and Snickers the Knight.
Alka Seltzer claimed Physician, but then subbed out and RyJae replaced hum. RyJae receiving this PM is perfectly compatible with previous claims.
Can you confirm that you were poisoned?
There is no Vicar role.
Sorry, not sure where the confusion came from. I think the substitution threw me off.
I did indeed get a PM that I have been poisoned. I’m posting from my iPhone now, so I’ll have a more substantial post later. If I remember correctly, the physician claimed he didn’t pick the antidote. I don’t think there’s any other way to stop the poison, so I guess this is my last Day with you guys.
I assume that it’s *possible *for scum to poison scum.
That said, I can’t think of a possible reason for scum to poison scum. OK, fine, I can think of one. It would lull us into a security of trusting the poisonee, thus helping to influence the vote of the lynchee. But that’s so convoluted with such a huge downside (losing scum!) I can’t see it happening.
I think I’m at a point where I can really start to winnow people down, based upon role claims and such. But not today. Hopefully I’ll have more time to put something together tomorrow.
Unknown
- Mahaloth
- Inner Stickler
- Stanislaus
- Babale
- Suburban Plankton
- MentalGuy
- [del]Tengu[/del] Astral Rejection
- KellyCriterion
- Hal Briston
**Claimed
**5. gnarlycharly - Friar
6. [del]Alka Seltzer[/del] RyJae - Physician
11. Enderw24 - Nun’s Priest
15. Mosier - Summoner
18. MHaye - Clerk
For All Intents and Purposes, Claimed
13. Visorslash - Pardoner
Dead
7. Texcat - Miller
10. sinjin - Canon
14. fubbleskag - Man of Law
17. Snickers - Knight
I can think of a few situations where scum would choose to poison another scum. However, none of them are applicable now.
You’re correct; sinjin was the Canon. For some reason my list of the Quick and the Dead had Vicar against her name. Apologies, and please make the necessary changes.
Still working on catching up. I think I’m taking too many notes about things. 
I’m gonna tackle this again tomorrow, and I’ll have a substantial post ready to go at that point.
Thanks Inner Stickler. This is effectively the post I was going to compile today. So I’ll take it a step further.
We now know that **fubbleskag ** is town and that he determined Stanislaus is town. We also have a claim by **MHaye ** that the cloak isn’t in play. Now, whether **MHaye ** is town or not is a separate question but I’m willing to believe **MHaye **'s claim, plus all the other evidence and say **Stanislaus **is town. If I’m wrong, then a lot of pieces were put into place to fool us so well done.
The evidence is also fairly convincing for **RyJae ** and **Mosier ** to be town. Visorslash is absolutely town. And you guys can determine how you like but I know I’m town so I’m putting myself on this list.
**gnarlycharly ** is interesting in that he’s only confirmed that which had already been confirmed at the time of his claim and is something he’d have known anyway were he Scum.
**MHaye ** could go either way. I believe his claim but the knowledge it’s based off of could be ascertained from being either Town or Scum, so it’s hard to tell. What’s interesting to me is that it took at least one full Day after investigations (possibly two, I haven’t checked) before **MHaye ** revealed the results of his power. So I have to ask: why wait so long? And given that you did, what was it about the situation that made you claim when you did?
So that’s a good portion of what I’m thinking, based only upon role claims.
19 total players
4 dead, 15 living
5 that I am willing to call Town.
That leaves 4/10 remaining who are scum.
And 9 players who at Day 4 haven’t role claimed.
will have to reread now that my top suspect is dead.
I would like for you to join him at the end of the Day as our scum addition to the death pool 
I expect all town folks to read through everything and convince me of a more suitable candidate for toDays lynch. I have laid what I think is the best case against him compared to anyone else. Yes some things are interesting about others cases but gnarlycharlie… we have more than just a gut feeling. Yes yes yes it could be wrong, but read through again and find out how many confirmed by death town folks had suspicions on him*.
If a more suitable person appears, my mind can be changed, but a gut feeling vs confirmed deceit, along with a possible slip means more than a gut feeling at this stage.
- I didn’t actually count, so confirmation bias could play a role.
Respectfully, I disagree. RyJae only claimed after there was no possible way to verify the claim. Here’s what I suspect;
Scum did not take action Night 1
Scum waited until both the nun and summoner made a claim
Knowing that the claim could not be disproven, physician scum then claimed they used their power night 1 to protect someone
Town now has no reason to question the physician about the antivenom, so the poison can be used pretty much without consequence.
Vote: RyJae
I’m back.
Having a bit of a hard time deciphering how the lynch went down yesterDay, so before I finish catching up, I updated the chart posted in 588-589. I believe this was the final voting yesterDay:
fubbleskag (6 votes) - Alka Seltzer (489), Visorslash (490), Stanislaus (575), KellyCriterion (590), Inner Stickler (592), Mosier (593)
KellyCriterion (5 votes) - fubbleskah (491), Enderw24 (493), Mahaloth (565), Babale (566), Hal Briston (571)
Hal Briston (3 votes) - Suburban Plankton (536), [del]Babale[/del] (539-566), Mental Guy (584), MHaye (596)
Alka Seltzer (2 votes) - [del]Stanislaus[/del] (510-575), Tengu (515), [del]Mahaloth[/del] (517 - 565), [del]Babale[/del] (526-566), KellyCriterion (561)
Babale (1 vote) - [del]Stanislaus/del, Visorslash (490), [del]Mosier[/del] (522-593)
Snickers (1 votes) - gnarlycharly (499), MentalGuy (507-584), [del]Hal Briston[/del] (513-571)
gnarlycharly (1 votes) - [del]Stanislaus/del, Snickers (541)
Inner Stickler (1 vote) - fubbleskag (491)
Tengu (1 vote) - KellyCriterion (561)
Enderw24 (1 vote) - Mahaloth (565)
Mahaloth (0 votes) - [del]Enderw24[/del] (493-602)
I forgive you, though I think some of your confusion or dare I say lack of attention with the whole incident yesterday biased your thinking. I shared everything shared with me in the PM, I am of the everything that is known must be told to help town camp.
I strongly suggest as I am fairly certain you are town, to look elsewhere because scum are going to latch on to your vote and we will end the Day with 2 dead town.
I haven’t compared Alka’s claim strictly against RyJae’s claim but given the sheer amount of information he shared before subbing out, I’m not sure RyJae really had any other choice. Any attempt to suppress info would likely have been seen as the actions of a guilty party.
Got anything to challenge my actual argument with?
I claimed when I thought it would add something to the discussion.
Consider; early discussions of the accuracy of investigative claims had two big question marks over them; the honesty of the claimant and the effect of the Cloak. If I had claimed straight away (on the morning of Day 2) the Brotherhood would have been able to take my knowledge into account when deciding how to react to Investigator claims, or even perhaps use that information in deciding whether to false claim.
After two investigator claims, I could have revealed the lack of cloak, either during the Day, during N2 or Day 3. I had considered claiming during N2, but fell asleep and missed Dawn. I have to say, though, that I probably wouldn’t have claimed as I didn’t think the Brotherhood would kill me N2 while I still had someone pointing the finger at me. I was a potential mislynch candidate.
I decided to clam after the death of fubbleskag because now we had a situation where one of the uncertainties surrounding the investigative claims had been dispelled. fubbleskag’s death and revelation of his Town alignment meant we could trust that he was truthfully reporting what his power had learned. That left one uncertainty; the possibility Stanislaus had been given the Cloak. I could dispel that, and confirm Stanislaus’s Towniness.
There was another issue; I did not want to get Nightkilled before claiming, and have the Town lose what I had learned. So long as I was under low-level scrutiny, there was little to no chance of that; but the chance went up in D3.
What argument? Your suspicions? How the hell am I supposed to challenge something you completely and totally spun?
Step by step, even through I believe strongly you’re town, this is the brick wall I was talking about.
My challenge to that is, I have none, I have no clue what scum are doing.
See my previous challenge
See previous challenge
Now this I suppose I could “challenge” You can question me about it, I wasn’t around to decide why or why not antivenom wasn’t chosen.
I cannot wrap my head around what you wanted me to say. I have posted both PMs I have gotten, challenge met? 
Maybe Mosier is scum, Mosier needed to step out of the game, without another replacement, scum where told that Mosier would be mod killed. Rather than just allow one of their own to die they chose to poison Mosier to have him lead at least to a one for one death today. all fabricated 100% just tried to think of some improbable way that something could be
I would rather not go down a rabbit hole, until a rabbit hole is needed to go down. Right now a rabbit has left some tracks right in the open field, I would rather go for the open field rabbit before going down holes. I think for the betterment of town, that is the course we all should take.
Its hard to post from my phone. Expect a response in about 2 hours. Sorry!
One of the problems scum have in this game is that eventually everyone will be expected to account for their power sometime. Since there are two watchers, that can be a very difficult thing to do. Scum must be able make a claim that is irrefutable (but also a dirty lie) at some point.
That is exactly what the physician has done. Alka made a perfectly plausible claim about how he protected Visorslash and himself on night one, which is why there was no night kill. The problem is that it doesn’t make any sense for scum to have targeted Visorslash that night. If scum had succeeded in killing Visor, they would have given his extremely powerful role to another townie.
I think the scum team made a calculated decision not to make a night 1 kill, in order to give Alka the strongest possible alibi for using his power. Sure enough, Alka started showing up on peoples’ “confirmed town” lists, although he never made a claim that could possibly have been verified!
I made the first claim, by saying that Suburban Plankton did nothing on night 1 when I watched. That would have been a risky move for scum, because it would have been rolling the dice on whether SP actually did do something, and call me a liar. Alka made no such comment, but was able to craft a very convincing story to make it appear as though he had.
Now, we have a greatly extended night when Alka was replaced, a delay for which there was no apparent purpose. I think it’s because Alka’s replacement had to be given an opportunity to strategize with his team. There was no discussion among town during that time.
Remember, Alka only claimed to have used his protection AFTER the two roles that could have caught him lying (myself and the nun) claimed to have used their power.
Finally, picking the poison was a very risky move for scum, unless they happened to know that the physician would not pick the antivenom. The poison is the only scum tool that can be responded to by town after the fact, making it by far the weakest scum kill tool, unless the physician is scum.
I haven’t had a strong lean on anyone yet, until now. RyJae is scum.