Goddamn Hal, are you sure storyteller didn’t give you the role of crybaby instead? I mean I defended you in the last post (to an extent) but geez. Even if I believed your claim here how in the world does this display actually help your cause?
“Hey everyone who thought I wasn’t Town. You’re completely wrong! Because…I’m not really Town! So don’t lynch me because I super promise I’m playing on your side. Oh and I haven’t actually used any of my powers to help town but I’ve *really really *wanted to help town!”
Seriously, why would this reveal STOP people from lynching you? You’re NOT town! Right now you’re just pissed not because Town’s choosing the “wrong” person but because YOU, specifically, may not win the game. Well boo hoo.
Oh and my count right now is that it’s 4 votes to you and 3 to Kelly with around 4 hours to go. So it’s not like it’s this unstoppable runaway train you needed to go all melodramatic over.
Unless you think everyone voting for you is scum, this is obviously not true. Town have no reason to railroad you, and they have no reason to distort their cases.
Which of us voting for you do you suspect the most? That info would be far more helpful than just calling us out as a group.
You’ll note that I didn’t claim Carpenter until I saw Astral Rejection’s vote on me. Up until that point, I was rebutting the bad points against me, but that one pushed me over the “I’m probably screwed” line. But by that point, I had zero time left to put in my exchanged role and make the points I made this morning (kids to bed, time with the other half, etc.).
Hmm…reading that back, it seems a little unclear even to me. Here’s how it went:
<type type type type type up long post>
Girlfriend: “Honey, can you please give me a hand?”
“Be right there…”
<Preview – see Astral’s post>
“Great…another vote. I’m fucked.”
<Type a few more lines, claim Carpenter>
I knew I wouldn’t be on the computer from the time I sent that post until I got to work this morning, so I didn’t want to drop something like the Chaucer role out there without some explaination.
Far and away, Suburban Plankton – for the points I made here and here
Also, MHaye for points I rebutted here – one being the same as SP’s, plus the “go easy on the non-new newbie” bit.
Are they both scum? No idea, and going by my track record in this game, I’d go as far as to say “I’d doubt it” – but every point they’ve used against me has been so excruciatingly bad, I can’t help but prescribe an anti-town motive to it (subjective, I know, but that’s how I’m seeing it).
Thing is, even if I do believe Hal (and I probably do - I’m sure story wrote that PM, and I doubt scum would need fake role PMs given the set up) he’s probably more of a danger to Town than Scum. He’ll only impede the Scum wincon if he starts killing them, and the odds of him doing that are less than the odds of him killing Town. So the closer we get to LyLo, the bigger incentive he’ll have to push us over the edge by going after the most likely to be Town. If he turns out to be wrong and hits scum, that’s no skin off his nose - but the base probabilities are against it.
I’d rather kill scum than 3rd party - but I’d rather kill 3rd party than Town. I’m going to leave my vote where it is, because at this late stage our voting has been so apathetic that there aren’t any convincing other candidates for lynch other than the perennial lurker - who I don’t feel like gambling on.
You have the power of TWO kills, yet you’ve used none. You also have an extra power which you haven’t used. Why? If you’re truly on town’s side like you claim, when were you going to use your kills? Plus you’ve revealed that there’s no carpenter in the game which gives Scum one (huge) thing to not worry about anymore. So how again have you helped Town in any way?
Your goal, according to your claim, is to survive the game. But how does your claim help further achieve your goal? You’ve stated that you’re REALLY on town’s side which puts you, with your power, as a huge target for Scum to hit. Do you think your claim is going to allow you to win or further paint a bullseye on you from both sides?
I was really hoping the shipman would take care of him but I guess they’ve decided to do their own thing instead. I’ll buy Hal’s claim. He’s either really good at faking or legitimately frustrated about the cases people have made.
Because I was trying not to reveal myself outwardly. My role PM states that my kill would be clearly outside of the known roles.
So let’s say I suspect someone, kill them, and whoops, they were town. Now everyone knows there’s a third party and by the way, he’s killing townies. Not exactly going to make me look good if/when it comes time to role claim. No, I’d rather keep the kills in my back pocket until either I was forced to claim, or there were clear scum targets.
As to the extra power, reread my role – the only extra power available to me was the Miller. Which has the side effect of, ya know, killing me. No thanks.
Ok, that’s fine. I’d rather scum take me out and use up a kill than be mislynched.
Let’s be clear – when roles are handed out, I’d rather not be scum. Unless I’ve been handed a scum role, I’m rooting for town. So even though the net result would be a loss for me anyway, if someone is going to waste a kill on me, I’d rather it be scum.
Kelly has been coasting through the game, not posting much and what he does post is rarely of consequence. I think his odds of being scum are better than Hal’s. If he is town and Hal is thirdparty survivor, functionally their lynches are equivalently damaging and of the two, I’d rather keep Hal around because he’s playing.
**storyteller **promised us (in the sign-up thread)
Later, he linked us to his setup board listing all of the Town and Scum roles.
You’ve now claimed a role that
a) was not mentioned anywhere in the setup
b) has two Vig kills, duplicating and expanding on the Shipman role
c) has the potential for multiple Night actions ‘adopted’ from other players, duplicating and expanding upon the Squire role (part of it, anyway)
d) is immune from Investigations, duplicating the power conferred by the Cloak of Lies
Even accepting that we were told there may be some “hidden elements”, you can certainly understand why this is a little hard to swallow.
On the other hand, it’s hard to imagine Scum going to this much effort to create such a detailed, very powerful, completely unexpected in an ‘open’ game, false claim…so it seems likely that you’re not Scum.
The problem is, you’ve admitted to us that you’re not Town; you’ve admitted to us that it really doesn’t matter one bit which side wins this game, as long as you’re alive. Also, the difference between a “third Party Survivor” and a “PFK” is mighty slim, so even if we believe most of your claim, that still makes you potentially very dangerous.
Which was a huge reason as to my reluctance to fully reveal early on. There’s a reason Survivors have such a lousy track record – town has little reason to take the chance.
All I can say is that I’m playing this as pro-town as I can. This is my story, dammit! I’d like to see the end of it!
Maybe, maybe not. If he’s a Serial Killer with only 2 kills, which would explicitly reveal the fact that there *is *a 3rd-Party Killer in the game, he might not want to use them right out of the gate. Basically, the same argument that he gave for not using his Vig kills applies here.
OK, fine. My point was that there’s no way to tell if Hal’s role is “Third Party” (i.e. with a non-exclusive win condition) or “PFK” (i.e. with an *exclusive *wincon).
Now that I think about it a bit more, a PFK with only 2 kills does seem a bit weak, but perhaps the additional abilities are intended to make up for that. In the end, I don’t think it matters a lot. third Party roles have a notoriously short lifespan once they are revealed, for good reason. In my personal Mafia history, I can recall exactly one instance where a claimed Third Party was purposely allowed to live until End game…and she turned out to actually be a win-stealing PFK.
Do you remember the specific game? Because I can point you towards 3 or 4 games within the past year or so where a third party claimed and was lynched and turned out to be exactly what it said on the tin.
That’s not what I said (or at least, that’s not wnat I meant to say). I’m talking about cases where someone claimed Third party and was *not *subsequently killed, so that they made it to End Game. I recall that happening exactly once.
It was the Dr Seuss game on the Giraffe boards; mlerose claimed Third Party Survivor, she was allowed to survive, and she turned out to be a Mad Bomber and won the game out from under everyone. Perhaps it’s because I was vocal in that game about believing her claim (I was Town) that I’m now extremely reluctant to make the same mistake again.
