So as to the gamestate itself, it’s right now 8-2 and if you lynch me toDay it’s going to be 6-2 at dawn, which brings town really really close to losing. Sure, you may think you have 2 more days, but between the bloody spear and a wrong guess by town at night, it could end way sooner than you think. Yeah, I know this opinion means diddly squat because anyone in my position would be posting the exact same rationale. But all I can say is that I’m Town, you’ll probably learn very little mislynching me other than that I’m Town, and we could be getting very close to the end.
Now, onto specific issues. First off, the person that started this bandwagon against me was Visor and even he’s basically said at this point he’d switch all his votes to RyJae if he could. It started because of a PM which I didn’t know was against the rules or I never would have done it. It’s a PM, by the way, which I specifically said I’d not bring to the board and never did until **Visor **felt the need to in Day 6. I don’t fault him. It’s perfectly within his rights to do so. I’m just saying
Astral, I’m not saying the vote count isn’t important. It absolutely is. But it never tells the full story. For instance, on Day 1 & 2 I was still suspicious of Snickers, but at the time I changed my vote it was because I was more suspicious of the person I was voting for. Me trying to rally the troops for my vote would have been futile when I’d already been won over and was satified with the rationale for my new vote. And I specifically unvoted at Day 3’s end because I didn’t want to go into nighttime with a muddled vote record, which was half the reason I voted for **TexCat **in the first place!
I also avoided **Suburban **not because I didn’t think he was scum. I figured it could go either way. My problem was that not one single person gave a coherent argument as to why we were lynching him short of “Hal told us to.” I’m happy he showed up as scum. But I wasn’t yet convinced.
Finally, from what I’ve read, many Townies throw votes out early just to see how people react to the accusation. So analyzing vote changes really won’t root out scummy behavior.
Stanislaus, I find it humorous that you seem to purposely go after the players who have, in one manner or another, supported you. fubbleskag investigated you and said you’re not Scum. You turn around and lynch him. I said I agreed with his assessment because at the time it seemed to confirm what I’d previously believed. You’re now taking that as evidence that I’m cozying up to you, which is clearly something only scum would do. I wasn’t. I was just stating what I believed.
Here’s why. I’ve been playing this game as straight as I possibly can to see how that went. When I suspect someone, I voted for them. When I used my power, I claimed immediately. When I supported someone I made sure to say so as well. As town, I have nothing to hide so I may as well play the game that way.
If the consensus was that the gain of confirming one Town player to everyone was worth the loss of hunting the Brotherhood, then I wouldn’t fight my lynch.
However, I wouldn’t stop searching for Brothers myself.
I’m trying to evaluate your PM as quoted by Visorslash in [post=15325247]post 920[/post].
Basically, the PM was either a brand-new player reasoning out some stuff about the game as he went, or an attempt to (as Visorslash put it) “buddy up” to him.
Your comment on the shrinking hiding place was correct. Many detectives in this little community will work on a theory that confirming a batch of Townies is as good as finding a Mafiate - better, quite often - because it reduces the hiding places for the Mafia. But experienced players around here would know that, so if you were Brotherhood, I’d expect you to have been told that we know. Also, if you’d been Mafiate, you might well have been warned against sending such a PM. Storyteller usually forbids interplayer communication except by mod-sanctioned methods. He did not this time, although I have a recollection of him asking us not to do it.
I’m inclined to put a mark in the “non-Brotherhood” column against your name now. (This means I’d need slightly more evidence to vote you than anyone else in the list of six I posted earlier Today, not that I am firmly convinced of your Towniness.)
I’ve seen games solved in around 100-120 posts, and this one is a 1000 long.
Unvote; [COLOR=“Blue”]Ender, RyJae[/COLOR]
Vote: Gnarly
Basically, the responses I’ve gotten from Ender and RyJae lessen my suspiscion somewhat, and I don’t mind a Gnarly lynch. His posts don’t come off as relatively townie.
ha ha ha! you’re suspicious of me because you have no read on me? that’s your argument?
you will then get the same result as the lynch of fubbles, a dead investigator with a non-scum result on Stanislaus which will always be questionable pending the death of Mhaye.
Astral, sounds like scum trying to buy time. tell me, what are the chances of having two investigators being scum (Suburban being the other) if the chance of one was pegged IIRC around 51%? if i’m scum, who’s my scum buddy? who was i bussing or distancing from?
we’re allowed more than one vote. no need to switch. you can always unvote to have one vote standing. sounds like you’re trying to either goad other players without committing or see if there will be traction or both.
Visor, what can i say except that you’re wrong. what does sounding townie mean? you’re not exactly the paragon of townie behavior. from a purely logical standpoint, we should lynch Mhaye and you should pardon him. we have the luxury of time. if he’s town no mislynch and we confirm Mhaye and Stanislaus. that gives scum the problem of killing Hal who can kill one of them later or a confirmed town now that there are three. with an NK toNight, we will end up with a 7-2 ratio (or 6-1-2 to be thorough).
if he’s scum, then great. we lynch him the next Day. however we are emotional AND impatient beings and i doubt that others would agree. so is that enough pro-townie thinking for you? :rolleyes: Vote Enderw24
i have been suspicious of him and have actually voted for him before.
Vote Astral Rejection
for trying to promote a counterwagon without actually getting on. trying to save a scum buddy? your joke about being a sub seems to mean more now.
I understand what some of you are saying about Ender and why you have doubts that he is scum, but I definitely find him more suspicious than I have found gnarly. I don’t think I will be changing my vote toDay, and almost surely not to gnarly unless he does something scummier than I have seen so far or someone presents more evidence to me.
Sorry for all the posts recently, but the game has gotten into my head, and I have to solve it. (I like being alive in a close game, unfortunately in recent times it means I’m scum most of the time, as I often die a lot earlier.
Now, reasons as to why scum would keep me alive: can hit other power roles that can cause damage, leaves endgame situation where you can’t rely on kill target to determine innocence, amongst others.
However, with Ender’s PM and his other stuff he’s said along with the logisitics of who the scum are and what has been said, Ender is pretty much confirmed innocent in my mind. well not confirmed, as I refuse to deal in absolut (;)).
But Ender is a terrible lynch.
I am almost 100% sure that Gnarly is scum, I just need a rescue wagon off of Ender and onto Gnarly. I am asking the town amongst you to vote for Gnarly, and unvote Ender, because Ender is extremely unlikely to be scum.
Gnarly’s been off my radar practically all game, so that’s hard for me to say right now. Gnarlycharlie’s votes are kinda sparse, so I don’t think he’ll add much to the vote chart, either. Gnarly, correct me if I’m wrong, but I think you’re in an opposite time zone from most of us? That makes his votes more of a null tell than most people, so it’s tough to go that way.
I do have one solid advantage, though. I’m exceedingly unlikely to get nightkilled, as scum have really got to start clearing out some of town’s confirmed pool. I doubt they’ll fire into the unknown pool this close to LyLo. This means I can study the game at Night and post all I want.
Besides MentalGuy’s defense of gnarlycharlie, do you have anything else to connect the two?
Not really, but if I search his posts I may find something. Cross that bridge when its needed. At the moment, if Gnarly flips scum, you look town. And it doesn’t smell of bussing, because he was under no suspiscion until now.
Possible frame/attempted frame on RyJae as well, though could also be scum defence. Not entirely sure, and I’m pretty happy to just ignore that for the time being.
Babale would be my next suspect looking at the list.
If gnarly flips scum it’ll make the game a lot easier, and I don’t see him flipping any other alignment.
I went through my notes from subbing in, which are pretty heavy on info for Days 1 & 2. There isn’t a single mention of gnarly’s actions anywhere. I also kept notes on who was for or against investigating, and how to approach it (remember that conversation?), and I don’t have any mentions of gnarly there, either.
In terms of things that catch my attention when I read through a game, I’ve got nothing for those first two days. That really indicates to me that he was keeping his head down in the early game.
I haven’t gone by gut feeling on a lynch this late in a game before, but I’m really starting to think this is a good choice.
I’m about to go out for the day, and depending on when the Day ends I may not be back in time to vote. So I’m going to have to do it now, and quickly.
As I said, I interpret the Ender PM as something indicating Town alignment, as I think he’d have been warned off by his Brothers.
Nothing particularly registers about Astral Rejection or Mental Guy - maybe that should worry me, but not enough for a vote Today.
Babale did ping me earlier, but a second look showed it could be inexperienced Town, so I need to review him. That pushes iit down to Gnarly or RyJae.
I have been mildly suspicious of Gnarly; back when he and fubbleskag claimed, I remember feeling that of the two of them, Gnarly was more suspicious, and it’s carried forward as a nagging feeling that other things have tended to push into the background (looks at Hal). I don’t think that it’s enough to support a vote.
RyJae, on the other hand, I’m suspicious of for something Alka Seltzer did. He locked RyJae into a strategy by claiming even though he intended at that point to sub out. I don’t see a Townie would need to do that. A Brother might need to, however, if only to ensure that an agreed-on plan of action wasn’t disrupted by the sub.
RyJae hasn’t done anything to increase my suspicion, but he hasn’t done anything to lessen it either.
Vote RyJae
If I get home in time I’ll do a review of some of those players and may change my cote if I find a better case. But I can’t promise anything because I don’t know when I’ll be free to get out, and also have to go home through stations affected by the Olympics.
