Mafia: The Thrill of the Chase [Newbie Friendly!]

[choie]

OOG: Welcome back, Silver Jan. I hope things are going okay with you and that the trip was restful.

@Silver_Jan

It is quite difficult coming back from a weeks hiatus and trying to make sense of everything, you lose the mood somewhat. I posted cos I didn’t want to be subbed out and I didn’t get a chance to read everything. I have now read every thing so I have no excuse whatsoever about not participating

I don’t think anyone woudl be calling for you to be subbed out; you have participated to a degree, and at least you’ve given a reason for your absence. orcenio on the other hand…

@Silver_Jan

If Svejk was scum, why did he just randomly vote for me, I was as mad as a snake when he did so… ( I have wanted to change my name to LynchBait cos I seem to be an easy target) I controlled myself and said F%&*($##@ Ok that was under my breath. I was very annoyed because I tend to say what I think and then I am called scum, but to be called scum by random.org was just too much for me so I stayed quite. By staying quite people thought I was scum, I was not writing enough fluff. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t! Got that off my chest

Hmm, I don’t think you were considered suspicious for not posting enough fluff; at least, that’s not why at one point I considered you leaning a little in the scum direction. It’s your tendency to make reactionary votes that always makes me think you’re a bit on the scummy side. Of course that’s not conclusive since you behaved the same way last time and you were Town then.

Same goes for Inner Stickler, btw – he appears to think the reason I (or the others) voted against him was because he was too helpful. That’s not the lesson to be learned from his lynching. I don’t mind his being helpful, it’s just that he was basically only posting meta stuff and fluff without doing any real scumhunting until the last minute (and even that wasn’t hugely descriptive). Obviously this doesn’t mean he was scum – he wasn’t, as we know now – but it’s certainly not pro-Town.

So if Inner’s ghost still haunts our Town, please know that I appreciated your insight into the game, and it’s awesome that you were so helpful, but as I said when I made my (as it turned out, incorrect) case against you, less focus on meta and more substance would’ve made you ping me less.

@Silver Jan

I am still not sure who to vote for tomorrow but** choie** had a really good case against Inner, was it too good and yes I suppose it is a FOS.

Fair enough. Anyone who votes for town is understandably suspicious, so I can hardly blame you for that. There’s really nothing I can say in my defense, except that I really believed Inner was more likely scum than not. His lynched face and stiff accusatory finger shall haunt me for a long time.

Anyway, on to scumhunting. The vote I like least from yesterDay* wasn’t even counted: Astral Rejection’s post-deadline Scathach vote. Why on earth would anyone vote ten minutes after the deadline and expect it to be counted? This just seems opportunistic and disingenuous to me; a perfectly safe vote on a scumbuddy (if scumbuddy she be) that could give him Town cred if Scathach later flips scum.

What’s odd is that I wasn’t a fan of Svejk and Guiri’s votes either, even though they voted where I did. Svejk’s worried me because of the somewhat melodramatic way he suddenly switched from dogging Scathach to jumping on the mini-Inner bandwagon that he helped create? Guiri bugged me because he said something like, “*I’m voting for Inner even though Scathach and choie are voting for him.” (Emphasis mine.)

If Scathach and I are so scummy that he felt it necessary to add that “even though,” then why on earth would he go that route? Why join a vote with two allegedly suspicious players? I don’t get it. As much as I suppose I should be flattered that my case seems to have swayed so many into voting with me, like Henry Fonda in Twelve Angry Men, obviously I’m not pleased by it. First and foremost because I was wrong, and second, because I don’t really trust any of the folks who joined me.

• other than my own, that is; but my vote pisses me off for different reasons.

@Svejk_1

Anyway, I can see the scenario you are describing as suspicious, but surely you (and others) can’t be contending that any of this might have been planned beforehand

Why on earth not? Scum have done some diabolical plotting in past games. I don’t put anything past them. Much of it could’ve been planned, some of it could’ve been simply fortuitous. If you’re Town, you’d best learn that lesson early; it’s one I wish I’d paid attention to in my first game, or I wouldn’t have been lured down the primrose path of treachery and betrayal by the guy I trusted most! The dirty bastid.

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@Svejk_1

You have two #5s in your list. Scum tell

Anyway, I can see the scenario you are describing as suspicious, but surely you (and others) can’t be contending that any of this might have been planned beforehand - and if you concede that it could not have been planned, that would then lend at least some credit to my side of the story. In retrospect I certainly wish I’d just kept my stupid mouth shut. Still, at the time I did not know that Stickler was town, and I suspected that he was not. I was faced with two lynch candidates both of whom I thought were likely scum. The voting trend for Scathach undermined my faith in my own thinking, and the case against Stickler became the more convincing one. I thought I’d do the right thing.

The 2 number 5’s was an editing fail :smack:

And, yes, I’'ll admit that it’s unlikely that your plan was to expose yourself. I think the plan was likely to have the one-off vote on Scathach for Townie Cred for whichever one of you lived longer.

Here’s the breakdown of motives on your part:

Town Švejk Town Scathahc:
Motives as you say. You changed your mind

Town Švejk Scum Scathach:
Motives as you say. You changed your mind

Scum Švejk Scum Scathach
You wanted to be seen voting for Scum, but didn’t want to get them actually lynched. That way, when one of you ies later in the game, the other one gets some Townie Credibility.

Scum Švejk Town Scathach
You didn’t want to be involved in the lynch of a Townie player. So you changed your vote (and, ironically, was part of lynching a Townie anyway)

I'm contending the timing of the switch makes me look toward the 3rd option more strongly than the others.

it just really strikes me as suspicious to vote for someone, and when it appears they might actually get lynched, to switch to someone else.

[Svejk_1]

I can see that. Should have thought of that before.

Oh well. I hope my contributions throughout the game will convince people that it’s scenarios #1 and #2 that are more plausible than #3 and #4; I’ll be looking through my posting record to see if I can offer some more evidence to make that acceptable to people that are suspicious of my vote switch.

[Scathach]

@special_ed

Scum Švejk Town Scathach
You didn’t want to be involved in the lynch of a Townie player. So you changed your vote (and, ironically, was part of lynching a Townie anyway)
.

That doesn’t make sense. Scum Svejk would know that Inner was town too. Why jump from one town bandwagon to another?

[choie]

@Scathach

That doesn’t make sense. Scum Svejk would know that Inner was town too. Why jump from one town bandwagon to another?

I think at the time the momentum on you was swifter and larger than the one on Inner. So he may have thought that hedging his bets with Inner was a safer choice, assuming that more Townies would be jumping aboard the Scathach train.

Though I may be misremembering that.

[choie]

NETA: And I think it’s interesting that you’re either inadvertently giving those of us who think you might be scum more rationale for disbelieving you both, or your so Townie that you didn’t realize that it makes you look bad.

[choie]

NETA again: holy crap, I never misspell “you’re” as “your.” Damn this no-edit rule!

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@Scathach

That doesn’t make sense. Scum Svejk would know that Inner was town too. Why jump from one town bandwagon to another?

I don’t recall what the vote count was. When you switched to Inner, wasn’t it still looking like Scathach would be lynched?

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@special_ed

I don’t recall what the vote count was. When you switched to Inner, wasn’t it still looking like Scathach would be lynched?

darn those S names.

“when you” should be “when Švejk”

[Scathach]

@special_ed

I don’t recall what the vote count was. When you switched to Inner, wasn’t it still looking like Scathach would be lynched?

I think you’re confusing me and Svejk.

But his was the swing vote, it was 4-3 for me to be lynched and he switched from Inner to me to make it 3-4 for Inner to be lynched. Which makes no sense for him to do as scum.

I freely admit that it proves nothing either way about my alignment. But I’m questioning why people who state they find him suspicious for possibly protecting a scum buddy are voting him over the scum buddy in question.

[Scathach]

@choie

NETA: And I think it’s interesting that you’re either inadvertently giving those of us who think you might be scum more rationale for disbelieving you both, or your so Townie that you didn’t realize that it makes you look bad.

What I’m questioning is the internal consistency of people’s logic.

I know I’m town, so from that viewpoint Svejk’s actions make no sense as scum. Why lynch one townie over another? (unless it’s some uber machievellian ploy which I’m not understanding)

So if anything lynching me should at least give a strong hint that Svejk is town. Whereas lynching Svejk will still say absolutely nothing about what alignment I am.

So given that, I fail to see how supposed townies who found his vote switch suspicious would vote him over me. It doesn’t add up, unless I’ve missed something completely obvious.

[choie]

@special_ed

I don’t recall what the vote count was. When you switched to Inner, wasn’t it still looking like Scathach would be lynched?

Well, he leapt off the train after others had jumped on it, and he’d tipped the balance toward Inner. So if Scathach is Town and Svejk is Scum, it was a risky move that may have been based on his assuming the eighty billion rotten stinkin’ lurkers got off their tushes and deigned to vote.

IMHO his jump onto Inner makes more sense if Scathach and Svejk are either both town, or both scum.

Here’s Astral’s helpful rundown of Day 2 voting, though corrected to blueify Inner’s name under my vote, and to include Svejk’s unvote of Scathach:

Day 2

**Scathach **vf Inner Stickler, post 448
Septimus vf GuiriEnEspana, post 505
GuiriEnEspana vf Septimus, post 510
Astral Rejection vf Septimus, post 513
Svejk vf Scathach, post 520
MentalGuy vf Septimus, post 522
Choie vf Inner Stickler, post 524
fubbleskag vf Septimus, post 525
Mahaloth vf special ed, post 528
[del]Astral Rejection unvote Septimus[/del], post 532
[del]MentalGuy unvote Septimus[/del], post 533
[del]fubbleskag unvote Septimus[/del], post 536
[del]GuiriEnEspana unvote Septimus[/del], post 538
special ed vf fubbleskag, post 543
Inner Stickler vf Scathach, post 544
Hirka T’Bawa vf Scathach, post 548
MentalGuy vf Scathach, post 549
GuiriEnEspana vf Inner Stickler, post 558
fubbleskag vf Septimus, post 560
[del]Svejk unvote Scathach[/del], post 568
Svejk vf Inner Stickler, post 568
gnarlycharlie vf special ed, post 574

Did not vote: Astral Rejection, Precambrianmollusc, Orcenio, Silver Jan, gnarlycharlie, fluiddruid.

[special_ed]

@Scathach

I think you’re confusing me and Svejk.

But his was the swing vote, it was 4-3 for me to be lynched and he switched from Inner to me to make it 3-4 for Inner to be lynched. Which makes no sense for him to do as scum.

I freely admit that it proves nothing either way about my alignment. But I’m questioning why people who state they find him suspicious for possibly protecting a scum buddy are voting him over the scum buddy in question.

I see what you are saying. I hadn’t looked back to see the vote counts. Obviously, I was suspicious before I saw how Inner flipped.

I think you are correct that the move makes less sense if you are Town.

However, it’s not out of the question. For all I know, the Scum may have decided that it was worth more to lynch Inner over you.

So I need to edit option 4 into:

Scum Švejk Town Scathach
Švejk switched votes in order to get Inner lynched instead of Scathach. Maybe the Scum felt Inner was more likely to be a power role, or maybe they thought Scathach would be easier to get lynched toMorrow.

[Scathach]

@special_ed

However, it’s not out of the question. For all I know, the Scum may have decided that it was worth more to lynch Inner over you.

Lols, given my historic record of being appalling bad at this game, I can understand how that might have been the case :smack:

[special_ed]

@choie

Well, he leapt off the train after others had jumped on it, and he’d tipped the balance toward Inner. So if Scathach is Town and Svejk is Scum, it was a risky move that may have been based on his assuming the eighty billion rotten stinkin’ lurkers got off their tushes and deigned to vote.

I agree, it seems like a riskier move. But I would rarely say “Scum wouldn’t do that.”

@choie

IMHO his jump onto Inner makes more sense if Scathach and Svejk are either both town, or both scum.

I disagree here. It also makes sense is Svejk is Town and Scathach is Scum equally well. Svejk wouldn’t have known Scathach’s alignment when he switched.

[Scathach]

Curse you lack of edit! That should obviously read “appallingly bad”

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@Scathach

What I’m questioning is the internal consistency of people’s logic.

I know I’m town, so from that viewpoint Svejk’s actions make no sense as scum. Why lynch one townie over another? (unless it’s some uber machievellian ploy which I’m not understanding)

So if anything lynching me should at least give a strong hint that Svejk is town. Whereas lynching Svejk will still say absolutely nothing about what alignment I am.

So given that, I fail to see how supposed townies who found his vote switch suspicious would vote him over me. It doesn’t add up, unless I’ve missed something completely obvious.

Could Svejk have been so cumming that he’d realize that when you flip, we’d come to this conclusion?
And if so, why wouldn’t he present this in his defense now?

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@special_ed

Could Svejk have been so cumming that he’d realize that when you flip, we’d come to this conclusion?
And if so, why wouldn’t he present this in his defense now?

oh good lord!

Why didn’t firefox tell me that was a spelling error?

smack:

[special_ed]

I think the humor effect is the real reason why editing isn’t allowed.

[Scathach]

@special_ed

darn those S names.

“when you” should be “when Švejk”

Heh, says you with your equally s-starting username