give it up, they’re on to us 
posting as I catch up
Broken tag fixed in this quote
I just don’t see the reasoning for the vote switch at that time if Svejk isn’t Scum.
So I’m leaning that way.
How has the ig been uncooperative?
It seems quite likely that they are taking out non-participants as a good Vig should if they have no solid leads.
Just want to pop in and reply to this before I reread today, I’m **not ** defending Svejk over myself, I’m questioning the motivation/logic behind some votes. Particularly Hirka’s. Which I do consider a form of scumhunting even if you don’t.
Gnarlycharlies D2
Self defence
Fluff.
Helpful fluff. (also, if it’s hard to get a read on special ed, why is he so sure he’s scum?)
Self defence. And fluff.
Helpful fluff
Self defence
Votes Hirka using a case that’s been made already. Maintains suspicion of special ed and Mahaloth without giving any more reasons or justification.
A lot of it smacks to me as flying under the radar, not sticking his neck out type stuff. I’m aware that it’s quite like what made me wrongly think Inner was scum, but the fact remains that shying the limelight is often a scum tactic.
I’m going to reread fubbleskag (who’s weird vote for septimus is still striking me as suspicious) and decide whether or not to move my vote.
Are you sure about that? I’d definitely understand your getting upset if it brought up stuff from non-game issues, but I thought he was just addressing your playing style in this and other Mafia games. But honestly, maybe I wasn’t paying as much attention to that interaction as I should have. FWIW I thought he was just needling you, not full-out-machete-attacking you. It’s hard to tell with fubbleskag, I grant you, considering his, um, rather unorthodox use of smilies as communicative tool. 
Dude, did you see how sucky I was in De’endee, at least in the first half of the game? I think I’m doing better not that I’ve actually hit any scum (alas) but that I’m trying to, and being more analytical than I was in my first game by this point in the procedings. Once De’endee hit about three weeks toward End Game I picked up considerably and I think I became an asset to town, rather than a liability… as God knows I had been.
So that’s basically it. I’m just comparing what I’d been in my first game with how I’m behaving in this game. I’ve done as good a job as I could in analyzing the three outliers (those who’d been voted by known Townies) and while I was undeniably wrong about Inner Stickler, I don’t think my case was faulty.
I think you did seem to be defending Svejk over yourself, though I’d be interested if any other players agree with this assessment. Now I do see that you’re looking more closely at Hirka, which is kinda difficult because he’s been one of the lowest participating folks in the game.
(You knew it was coming…)
Oooh, my more paranoid side would love to see that as a non-denial denial, to quote All the President’s Men.
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Wow, apparently my post rated three smilies! That’s equivalent to one anti-bah from special ed, if I’m judging the exchange rate accurately.
Ah, so you’re picking options #1 or #2 as the most likely ones? What are your impressions of Scathach, then? Which one of those two options do you think is likeliest of all?
On my phone (android, using Swype keyboard) long pressing any letter will bring up the various special characters associated with that letter. Including Š
I’m not sure that anyone could believe voting for a claimed doc (whose claim you stated you believe) is less suspicious than not voting at all.
But then, it’s almost too blatant to be scum.:smack:
unvote fubbleskag
vote gnarlycharlie
I’m still a bit iffy on this one.
I understood the semantics part, it was the “or does he know more that I do” part that just made absolutely no sense to me. It looks like a smudge, that he’s scum and knows you’re Town, but that makes no sense in the context - if he knew you were Town, why would he be more suspicious of you? Oh well.
Sure, Scathach had some issues here and I had some criticism here.
- He was the first vote on Scathach, she was in the lead with 4 votes, he unvoted her to put the 4th vote on InnerStickler, what you say makes no sense.
- What do you mean here? He voted her to protect her because she was safe but then when the tide changed, he unvoted her to save her?
- Do you really think 3 is the least possible of these three options?
Svejk, could you tell me why you chose not to vote Septimus after finding my case convincing and voted Scathach instead?
Would you have voted him if he’d claimed mason and was confirmed by another mason just because you didn’t have time? Do you remember this:
Day ends at 10:00 AM MST Friday, in 1 Day and 18 Hours.
Vote Count:
Svejk (2): Special Ed, Hirka T’Bawa
Mahaloth (2): MentalGuy, fubbles
fubbles (1): fluiddruid
gnarliecharlie (1): Scathach
Scathach (1): choie
Hirka (1): GnarlyCharlie
choie (1): Mahaloth
How does Hirka’s vote strike you as scummier than Special Ed’s?
Oh, I think I may have misread that vote.
What I said was that they seemed convincing to me for the moment, but that I wanted to consider them more. I was also hoping that **Septimus **might make it to an internet cafe and post.
In any event, the case against Septimus that you made here is basically that he is trying to lurk in plain sight. I agree that that was the case at the time, and that it looks scummy. Still, when I was reviewing **Scathach’s **case, I found what looked to be more ‘active’ evidence of scumminess - not just hiding but actually doing things that I thought were scummy, such as missing the vote, and casting a (to me) suspicious early vote.
Another reason I did not want to join the vote for **Septimus **at that time is that I felt (and feel) that there was enough scumminess to go around. It was relatively early in the Day (36 hours to go) and I wanted to contribute a case that I thought and think was worth making, in order to point things out to people, shake things up, get a response out of Scathach. I was prepared to change my mind should better evidence come along. In fact, when I reported a post-count here, 26 hours before EOD, I actually state that “I actually find myself being more or less sympathetic towards all of these cases except for the one against Guiri” - the other cases being Scathach, Inner Stickler, Septimus, and Special Ed.
Of course, when Septimus declared 4 hours later, and the Scathach train started going around that time, what was once a case I wanted to make in addition to some other case in order to contribute to scum-hunting all of a sudden turned into a bandwagon and I got cold feet.
couldn’t honestly say - don’t believe I’ve run into masons yet. and yes, I remember saying that - why do you ask?
You’ve had a few posts detailing how bad of a player you have been at the start of the game.
Are you familiar with the term “Scum gloating?”
You quoted my vote on Septimus and then voted him yourself without any comments.
Septimus claimed doc.
You unvoted, willing to believe his claim for the time being.
No-one counter-claimed Septimus.
You quoted my unvote where I asked Septimus about editing his PM, asked others to post the wording from their PMs, and re-voted Septimus.
When questioned about your vote you said “it was my original vote, I hadn’t had time to review any of the other cases or build one of my own”. You didn’t mention that you thought he may have faked his PM.
So, you’re saying that you agreed with my case, was willing to believe the claim and then changed your mind overnight as you’d nothing better to go on?
Through my experience, Scum usually want to leave their options open for voting. That way when they do vote they can go back and say, “Look I was suspicious of that person”
Pretty much just what you are doing now.
Also, if any of those players flip Scum, they can always point back and say, “I saw that on day 1 or Day 2!”
This is rather damning. I hope you’re on my side, guiri.
Meh. I realize that this is what scum do (or at least that this is what you said in the past they do) but I’m not going to pretend I have an iron-clad case and there’s no doubt in my mind, and at the same time act as though there’s no base to any other vote that is in play at that moment. There’s usually been different cases being made with varying levels of merit, and seeing as there’s still probably four or five scum in the game, it is quite possible that different people making different cases at the same time are on to something. If being open and up-front about the relative strength of my case as over against other cases makes me look scummy to some, then so be it, I’m not going to pretend I am more certain about what I am saying than I actually am. And neither should I, or anyone else.
As it happens, in one of your responses to me, you state (as regards your case against me): “Now, is it an iron clad case? No, of course not. But it is highly suspicious” (here); and just now you seem to be agreeing with **Guiri **that **Fubbleskag **is pretty suspicious. How is that essentially different?
no, you’re saying that. I never said anywhere that I’d changed my mind at all.
he is and you know he is