I’ll concede that this is a fair possibility. just as I’m sure you’d concede that it’s just as possible that I would do the same out of naivete as town.
asked (by Guiri, iirc) and answered
previously addressed
yes, I did.
you just stated in the last paragraph that I did not explain my revote, and then here you quote me “defending [my] revote of septimus”; it can hardly be both. the role PM was not mentioned because it was not relevant to my revote
I’m surprised that anyone would classify my participation lately as “quite a bit”; I personally feel like the one or two small windows each day that I’ve been able to get in a post of my own have been squandered on stuff like this. perhaps I need to begin ignoring cases against myself and focus on making cases of my own in the little time I have.
Did you read all of last Night and toDay? The case against you is presented there by more than just myself.
Yes, I responded to Scathach as if I were responding to you. I was confused as to who made the post. Are you implying that my error is somehow Scummy?
I must have missed choie’s question to me in post 746. To answer, I’m not sure which options are the most likely.
yes, I added on the fact that you seemingly ‘left your options open’ and didn’t point out that others had done it. There are many many things I didn’t comment on. And ,yes, I think it quite likely that you are Scum, so I’m going to find other things you did and look at them closely. Maybe there is a little confirmation bias there. It’s only natural.
And yes, there are explanations for what you did that fit in quite well with you being Town-aligned. If there weren’t then I would be very sure that you were Scum. As it is, I’m not. I’m just voting with my best case.
About that… My gut is telling me to look at Gnarly, Mental and Silver. I see things like Gnarly’s votes and explanations for them, Mental’s hesitance to join a bandwagon, and SilverJan’s self-restraint, pings rather than major cases.
For now, while I re-read,
Vote GnarlyCharlie
His D1 one-off vote and subsequent explanation
His D2 vote, reasoning, and subsequent explanation
His vote on Hirka doesn’t read right given his suspicions of SpecialEd
I’m still in a quandary as we approach End of Day. The vote-switching yesterDay to protect Scathach still seems quite suspicious, but it almost seems unfair to vote for him based only on that. Frankly I’m confused (and a little suspicious) that votes are on Švejk for the vote-switching, instead of on the alleged Scum Švejk was allegedly protecting.
There seems to be some personal animosities venting in the thread. Are they real or play-acting? Mahaloth’s reaction seems out of proportion to the snark directed against him.
And some behavior seems too Scummy to be from Scum! fubbleskag’s vote for me really was inexplicable, but would Scum do that?
I’m not totally convinced by this, but with EOD approaching will get a vote down.
Vote: Mahaloth
I’d be happy to consider moving my vote to Scathach, special ed or choie if someone posts a good case summary.
yes I did read all of it. I am aware that there are more people out there, and I have addressed some of them, but most of them seem on the fence about lynching me, and some of them lean town on me. Of the votes that are out right now, the vast majority is not for me, so clearly the communis opinio is not that I am most likely to be scum of all the players that are out there. You, though, are easily the most hell-bent on getting me lynched, swiping others’ doubts under the carpet, bah-ing and fie-ing them along the way. Only one other player has actually voted against me (Hirka and he has defended his vote against detractors in post #726). But he has not gone out of his way to make a shoddy case look better like you have. FluidDruid has also made a case against me but has not actually voted against me although she’s announced her readiness to do so later, like MentalGuy. I have responded to her (IMHO weak) case against me, which incidentally is mostly based on things I did during D1, and not on my switching votes on D2) and exchanged a number of posts with her. Clearly, you are not the only person who I am targeting.
Mental Guy has also stated his intention to vote for me - but has not followed through, and has since voiced his doubts. When he did, you immediately pounced on him and accused him of being scum.
Septimus (who has voted for **Mahaloth **since I started composing this post) has stated that other players are more scummy to him than I am - and again you jump on him almost immediately:
**Guiri **and **choie **both seem to think that at least **Scathach **is more likely scum than me. Guiri has voted for Gnarlysince I started composing this post, I see on preview.
Scathach, while not directly defending me, has repeatedly questioned the logic of the vote against me.
**Fubbleskag **and gnarlycharlie have both stated that they lean town on me:
To continue my reply to your post #782:
This seems to be an intentional misunderstanding of the problem I have with your exchange with Scathach and the misunderstandings manifested therein. Again, as said in post #778, the problem I have is not that you mixed up Scathach and me, but that you were unable to retain the basic and essential facts of your own case against me, hours after you made that case rather extensively.
Well even if you do think that it is more likely that I am town that I am scum, it might still make sense for you to vote for me if you don’t see any better candidates - but why do you have to be so persistent in your case, bah-ing others who question, if you can’t even state for the record that you believe it is more likely that I am scum than that I am town.
It’s total confirmation bias all the way, and intentionally so I think. You are not voting with your best case, you have a case that you are committed to, you devote a lot of time to defending and strengthening it, you have not up until now admitted of any reasonable doubt, and have attacked others who did. The case you are making against me is facile and you’re lack of openmindedness about it to me reeks of scum.
Just a heads-up, I have a major work deadline today so my posts will be minimal, but if at all possible I’ll grab some minutes here and there to participate; it’s too close to EOD to be lackadaisical.
Indeed. Or “:)” as you would say (or “anti-bah!” as special ed would say). I mean, obviously yes, respond to others’ questions if they have them (preferably with more than mere smilies) but if you’re Town, I think the better role to play is scumhunter, not self-defense. Unless you’re in some dire voting situation and can feel the scratchy noose being placed around your neck unjustly.
I didn’t include your group, which would be “people who spend time snarking at others and/or posting uncited responses along with smilies that can hardly be considered substantive or an aid to Town.” It’s a pretty small group, admittedly.
But seriously. I’m worried about the number of posts – both questions and answers – that don’t bother to link to whatever they’re referring to. Maybe I’m used to reading through non-newbie threads, but I (and I think others, at least Silver Jan has already mentioned this) am finding it very frustrating when someone responds with something like “already answered” or “my case is made above” or similar without so much as a post number, much less a link to the post in question. It’s frustrating and not helpful to make others search through a 700-post thread in search of something you referenced.
I’m not saying that others aren’t being lazy in not being willing to look back through the thread for answers to easy questions (such as “when does Day end” or “what’s the list of surviving players” that were answered about twenty posts earlier).
Generally there just seems to be more passive players in this Mafia than I’m used to. And probably I’d include myself in that.
Cool. Though now I’m remembering the group Tony! Toni! Toné for some reason…
(FWIW I understood your “responses to accusations can be telling” comment. It happens to be true, though not conclusive becuase, as you say, it can so easily be interpreted either way.)
Not to answer for those voters, but their stated rationale is apprently that getting a definite Town vs. Scum call after Svejk’s lynching would be more revealing than one from a Scathach lynching. I’m vacillating on that point.
In other words, if Svejk is scum, Scathach is almost certain scum. But if Scathach is scum, we learn nothing about Svejk, since he’d hardly be the first Townie to make a wrong call.
If either flips Town, though, I don’t think it yields us any more info. (I’m willing to be corrected on that point!)
This uncertainty is why I placed my vote on Scathach rather than Svejk the other day. It goes against the aforementioned logic, but I don’t think her vote on Inner was particularly well explained. She, like many of us, is spending more time in self-defense than in going on the offense. From my own experience I definitely understand that instinct, especially in newer players.
for now,
unvote Scathach
Because I need to think things over better once I get some time free later today, particularly the cases for/against Svejk, gnarlycharlie, fubbleskag and Mental Guy. Also, I wonder if taking some pressure off Scathach will inspire her to participate in offensive rather than defensive posting.
Amen. I don’t get it.
Heh. Isn’t the answer to that almost always hells yeah? Frankly I’m surprised you, of all people, would ask that question! Dude, you were a godfather who was bussed by members of your own cosa nostra!
If Scathach is Town and I am Scum, that would mean that I knowingly switched from one town-bandwagon to another in a very suspicious way, hours before the deadline. Scathach flipping town thus would indicate that I am also town since it would make no sense for me as scum to have switched the way I did. In conclusion, lynching Scathach has the same possibilities of producing useful information about me as lynching me has the possibility of producing information about Scathach.
Scathach’s #559 reads Townie to me. Yeah, it could have been well crafted but she seemed resigned to her lynch and gives pointers to town for after her demise. It doesn’t look like am attempt to sway votes away from her and it’s not the typical “there’s scum voting for me”. What do you think Choie? SpecialEd?
But think about how you handle a potential pending lynch when Scum. You still want to come across as reasonable and calm, especially when the result is strongly in doubt.
I’m going to have to adjust my new play style and do some research.
No, and I can point out the one that just jumped at me.
Mental Guy and septimus both voted for people other than you. Yes, I questioned them on it. I can see how you might think that it was because they failed to vote for you, but if you read my responses, they really aren’t.
Mental Guy posted a wishy-washy post of support but not support. A Scum tell in my book.
Septimus made a post that listed 2 candidates for a lynching, and other unnamed suspicious people and then did nothing. And he made a point of showing his “semi-confirmedness” I haven’t pushed him beyond suspicion yet. Especially with a dead bodyguard.
so you’re aware that you were wrong with Inner and still use the same logic with me? you say i’m defensive? i was simply explaining myself when addressed. was my tone defensive? that’s funny coming from you. it’s not a case of the the pot calling the kettle black. you’re more like a cauldron. you’re probably the most defensive person here. if we all thought being defensive was suspicious you would have been lynched by now.
you’ve played with me a number of games now. i usually start slow and cautious the first few Days. this isn’t anything new.
you don’t like the explanations of my votes for D1 and D2. i can’t do much about that. there isn’t more than what i’ve said. typically i get back from work and find 15 to 20 posts, some of which are long. i try to catch up as best i can and i lay down a vote because not doing so will be even more problematic given the reaction to fubbleskag’s abstention vote on D1. others have expressed their suspicions of Mahaloth and Ed as well. why are you singling me out? are you saying then that you think Mahaloth and Ed are town?
you don’t like my vote on Hirka because i was initially suspicious of Ed. toDay, i found Hirka more suspicious than Ed so i voted him. i voted early to avoid rushed votes like in D1 and D2. i didn’t say i’m forgetting about Ed. in fact, i actually said i would get back to him and Mahaloth. this is tough. my late votes are suspicious and my early vote is suspicious as well.
