NETA: finals week just ended and i need to check a ton of papers so my participation will be even ‘spottier’ than usual. :eek:
Guilty as charged. I made the first comment before I added the next quote, which I had not remembered at the time. As I previewed, I noticed the contradiction and intended to go back and change the comment so that it indicated I did not feel that you had really given an adequate justification for revoting a claimed doc with essentially no additional information. However, after I finished bleaching the votes, I forgot that I needed to change it. I still don’t feel you have really justified placing a vote back on the claimed doc at the time.
My post was wishy-washy because my feelings about the situation are wishy-washy. I definitely think Svejk could be scum. I am not very confident that he is scum. My vote is on Mahaloth and I am fairly comfortable with that vote. But if Mahaloth gets lynched and turns up Town, I will almost certainly wish we had lynched Svejk instead, since I think even if he turns up Town, it would move the game forward more than a lynch of a different Townie.
The thing that is bothering me most right now is that there has not been the expected bandwagon on Svejk. I am wondering if the scum saw that some players were willing to look elsewhere and have encouraged the cases away from Svejk.
That is all the time I have until this evening.
Cauldron - nice:D
I don’t agree though. You’re the second person today to call me defensive, but i don’t think I really have been. The people I’ve been questioning most have been voting for Svejk, not me. Could you point me to a post of mine where I’ve been defensive?
On the contrary, I’ve stated my suspicions of three people, Fubbleskag for his septimus vote, Hirka for not taking responsibility for his vote, and you.
Day ends in less than 24 hours!
Vote Count:
Mahaloth (3): MentalGuy, fubbles, septimus
Svejk (2): Special Ed, Hirka T’Bawa
gnarliecharlie (2): Scathach, Guiri
Special Ed (1): Svejk
fubbles (1): fluiddruid
Hirka (1): GnarlyCharlie
choie (1): Mahaloth
Another close race!
No. You voted Mahaloth on Day 1 when there was no risk of him being lynched, it could easily be distancing. You say you thought he still has 2 votes (he never had more than 1 all Day) and so you thought you were adding a third - effectively causing a 4-way tie in your world.
You voted Special Ed on Day 2 when there was no risk of him being lynched, it could easily be distancing, even though your vote reasoning was forced (I think Mahaloth is scum, Special Ed is next, Mahaloth is voting Special Ed, therefore Special Ed must be scum too) and then your explanation that you didn’t want to place a one-off vote on Mahaloth so placed a second vote on Special Ed 11 minutes before the deadline.
I understand you may not have much time to dedicate to the game and are forever catching up, but only on Fridays, just before the deadline, posturing rather than getting involved in the nitty gritty of the lynch?
Can you explain why? Here’s Astral’s post:
The understanding was that they could both be scum, Svejk was initially distancing himself from Scathach but when it looked like she was going to be lynched and there was a possibility to lynch Inner instead, he jumped at the opportunity to save her. We’d learn more by lynching Svejk first as if he’s scum, it’s almost certain that Scathach is too whereas lynching Scathach won’t give us that degree of certainty about Svejk’s alignment. Right?
So Special Ed votes like this:
Then Hirka says this:
What are you seeing that’s so different between the two votes? You were previously suspicious of Special Ed so, if anything, you should be even more suspicious of him and only somewhat by Hirka. But no, Hirka jumps past Special Ed in the scummy stakes?
I have no issue with early or late votes, it’s the reasoning behind them and subsequent explanations that I question.
Well, in case you’re reading this from your phone, can you answer my questions in #749?
OK, I’ll admit, there’s a dose of confirmation bias in my attitude toward Svejk. (PS, I don’t think there is such a thing as intentional confirmation bias. I mean, I suppose I can be faking confirmation bias, but I can’t intentionally do something unintentional, can I?)
Also, I was going to go point by point and refute much of Svjk’s post. But so much of it is just telling me what other people think. How guiri and choie have other suspects, how gnarly and fubble lean town on him. Things that really have nothing to do with how I feel.
And also about me being persistent. I think most players who have played with me have seen my persistence. This isn’t even a shadow of how stubborn I can get. However, it’s not part of my new playstyle, and it doesn’t make me happy.
I just remember being so sure when the vote switch discussion came up…and then Astral was killed.
But no one is doing anything really Scummy. I remember liking guiri’s posts against gnarly. And I know fubble acted really oddly. (That was this game, wasn’t it?)
I’m going to skim and then decide on my vote.
I’ve got a nasty head cold. Thank goodness the semester is almost over.
Heh. I meant minimal in number, not length.
Yeah, I gotta agree with special ed here; it was certainly a good post and the sort of thing I’d expect to see of a right-minded Townie. But Scum know that. I seem to recall one guy (maybe Red Skeezix?) once posting a very touching valediction when it looked like he was about to bite the big one, putting forward a noble “go town” sorta post adding a seemingly earnest exhortation for people to look at posters X, Y and Z who had been pushing for his lynch.
The guy flipped scum, and how.
So… yeah, Scum know how to act townie, particularly the experienced ones.
Honestly what I’m seeing most in this thread over the past few days are more people acting like their own attorneys at a murder trial rather than a proper posse. I wish there was half as much effort being put into looking at other posters rather than defending yourself.
The way I see it is that your deeds are more important than your defenses. Don’t tell us you’re not scum. Tell us who’s scummier than you. I say this in particular to Svejk and fubbleskag and even to gnarlycharlie, though he’s not that guilty of it.
The way I look at things is this. There were four votes on Inner. Surely one of us was scum… it would be bad luck indeed for us (and hella awesome luck for the scum) if all four of us jumped onto Inner’s back as Townies and the scum could just sit back and laugh their scuzzy asses off.
It’s really hard to judge Svekj, because he’s just been so on the defensive and obsessed with proving his innocence. Typical noob disease (I feel okay saying that having semi-recovered from it myself). Guiri is probably going to win the Stanislaus Award for Most Townie-Looking Scum. That leaves Scathach and me. She was the first to vote Inner and wasn’t hugely convincing, though I’m one to talk since I joined her, right?
Damn this is a toughie. Let me move from this irritating foursome and look at some of the others. It’s getting late for me and I’m still not done with my project, ugh.
Mahaloth is either off his game or is a much more emotional/reactionary/just plain tetchy player than I ever realized. In fairness, I didn’t really play with him before; he was one of the mods, not a participant, so I couldn’t get a read on him. I’m tempted to vote for him because he’s behaved so mercurially but then I get this lovely goblet filled with iocane powder placed before me by a man in black, and I start thinking, “wouldn’t a scum be more in control of his emotions?”
fubbleskag… I just don’t get. I wish I knew more of his usual playstyle, or if this is really it. To my recollection he’s done next to no scumhunting, been very vague, terse, and just (mea culpa) annoying with those friggin’ smilies. Same problem here as with Mahaloth. Why would a scum behave so blatantly, be so off-putting?
Mental Guy seems neutral to me. He’s doing some defensive posting (unless I’m mixing him up with Mahaloth in my memory and alas I’m too busy to be able to go back and double-check. So I’m’a have to let this one ride.
special ed… ah, well. He’s harping a lot on that “new play style” comment, which to me sounds like he’s more irritated by that comment (I don’t even remember who first broached it) than he’s letting on.
gnarlycharlie has eluded me again. I just don’t know. The thing is… I’m loath to vote again with two of the same people who voted for Inner. That’s probably crappy reasoning, but instincts are instincts. Odds are quite good that one of them is scum.
Hirka and fluiddruid are flying very below the RADAR. I almost feel as if fluiddruid is posting so little that she either has something HUGE to hide or… she doesn’t. Yeah, that’s really helpful, I know. She’s a lynch possibility but not yet, I don’t think. Hirka pinged me as scum in my last game and turned out Town, and he’s pinging me exactly the same, so that means… I have no idea.
precambrianmollusc is clearly a randy little fellow whose primitive brain scarcely strays from the subject of you know what. Oh wait, no, sorry. Um, basically, he’s a nonentity.
Great, so now I’ve run down everyone and still don’t know who the fuck to vote for. All right, executive decision time. eeny meeny minie moe… I need to end the suspense and get an answer on this guy already, so, forgive me in advane, but I’m gonna
vote Svejk
I literally just went and edited that three times, wavering between you and Scathach. (My “s” key is almost worn out from this game!) The thing is, I just don’t freakin’ no which of you is the scummier, and since I think it’s gotta be one of you, I’m picking you. Sorry. I’m just more curious about whether you’re scum than Scathach, although she’s pinging me quite a lot too.
Oh and before I forget. Is there any chance we (Town) have any power roles left other than septimus? Because seems to me like we could use some extra help here, especially if septimus is going to be of any use to us at all.
There is a chance, and Trepa did say there might be one unusual role in the game. But this is supposed to be a pretty basic game. We have seen an investigator, and a bodyguard. We have a claimed doc, and we apparently have a vig. I would not really expect anything else.
That said, I am not sure we even have septimus. If he was scum, he would claim doc to draw out the Town doc. Since we had a bodyguard, it is possible that we do not have a doc. It is also possible that we have a doc that has decided for whatever reason not to counterclaim yet (I doubt it, but it is possible).
I know Astral said the subject line of her role PM was different from what both fubbleskag and septimus claimed, but I would like to know if anyone else has a subject line that says “Role PM(Town)”, since I definitely do not.
Someone, I think it might’ve been fluiddruid, opined that it was more likely the second kills are being performed by a serial killer, rather than a vig. Does anyone else agree? I’ve no experience with that role so I’m not sure I’d be able to tell the difference.
Oy that brings back memories. Inner Stickler (who’s apparently my bete noir) claimed Detective I think in De’endee, and toward the end I became so paranoid I totally disbelieved him–because everyone was simply taking his claim for granted, so it seemed, yet I wasn’t seeing any info that would be likely to come from a detective from his virtual lips. So I started making case after case as to why I thought he was pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes.
Then he was NK’ed and yep, he was confirmed Town Detective. Gulp.
I won’t give details, but mine isn’t like that either. Actually I just looked and nearly had a heart attack because I misread it (the word “Mafia” was in it, that’s all I’ll say) and immediately thought “oh holy crap, have I been on the wrong team the whole time???” Which was stupid because the scums would surely have been wondering why I wasn’t joining them in their little scumcave by now, right?
Then I opened the PM and it confirmed that I hadn’t misremembered. Whew.
I didn’t really expect my lynch candidate to be tied for the lead at this point, but I am okay with it. I do like my lynch candidate only slightly better than several others. I have made my feelings known about Svejk. I voted Scathach yesterDay, and I haven’t really found her any more or any less scummy toDay. I reviewed fubbleskag, and gnarlycharlie(though I didn’t post about gnarly) and found the cases against them to have quite a bit of merit. I did not go back and review Hirka’s posts, but the case against him is fairly convincing. I have choie and Guiri pretty firmly in the Town category right now, with Ed just slightly less so. Precambrian, Silver Jan, and FluidDruid I am neutral on for now.
Anyway, I kind of drifted off my point, which is that I am okay with any of those first six (Mahaloth, Svejk, Scathach, fubbleskag, gnarlycharlie, or Hirka) being lynched.
Ok, just catching up with the posts so far, sorry I was away, read all day yesterday on my phone, then fell asleep the second I got home. Busy day today, so never had a chance to read anything. But, I’m back, and I’m off all weekend, so I’ll be around (minus any Christmas shopping I need to finish 
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First, it is actually day 3 now, and, that is normally too late for a sub. Plus, I’m still here. I think some others would require a sub before I would.
Thank you for this, I did appreciate it yesterday, made me not worry, so I could actually sleep… So, I guess days are normally ending on Fridays and this rate?
Thanks, let me respond the best I can, though, can’t multiquote a single link so will copy and paste, to see original quote see Guiri’s links. Scathach’s comments were in spoiler for space, but I don’t remember how to make a spoiler space (guess I don’t spend enough time posting in CS), so, at the end of this response section there will be a line of astricks () incase someone doesn’t want to read. (all of the following till () are quotes from Scathach in this post)
Ok, I can respect this, I probably will end up doing the same sooner or later. I guess my play style is more of not commenting on cases I don’t feel strongly for or against, and just mentioning my own feelings. But, guess that comes from my basic lurker tendencies. I can see your point of view.
My forgetting about the whole day was due to work, and I wasn’t involved in the game yet, so wasn’t in the forefront of my mind. Makes it much easier to slip. While forgetting EOD while participating, makes me more suspicious of someone not actually caring about the final vote. Makes me think of scum, who really doesn’t care, since none of their compatriots are in danger. I know as town, I always try to make note of end of day, I hate forgetting it, and I always try to check the thread right before to see if any last minute details make me want to change my vote. That is one of the main reasons I probably seem to ask a million times when EOD is… Guess I need to put in my calender or something. I just find it scummy to forget when EOD is totally, vs. my case of just not being involved at start of game to put it on my mental checklist.
I have to admit, I haven’t really put any thought into PCM, I don’t think he’s posted since day one when I wasn’t here. But, either way, the point I made stands until he/she has been proven one way or the other (and even then, the point could still stand), My whole point was more of a feeling of your comments, saying you would have saved the town from a townie lynch if you just remembered when EOD was. It is a feeling I had of you disavowing the lynch.
I know I found the lost of two town roles shocking, heck, I found the kill of two people on night one shocking in of itself, let alone being power roles. I would think someone would have mentioned something about it. Can’t say anything about night talk, since I don’t post much at night either, I mostly read then. As for the vote on Inner, that was more of such a quick vote, without a comment about anything. If you made some sort of comment about something that happened at night, might not have fazed me as much, but it just seemed really quick… And, as we now know, it was a wrong vote.
Understandable, trust me, it isn’t anything I’m actually holding against you, it was more the catalyst that made me look at your posts in depth.
I just find it weird to change from one suspicion to another without a reason. While I’m still suspicious of you, I bought into Astral’s arguments on why Svejk would be a better lynch. At least I put up a reason for changing votes from day to day. You might argue the reason, but it is a reason that I see, and at least explained.
If I’m wrong, you don’t get lynched, and we both survive to the end, lynching all these scum in the mean time, I’ll be ecstatic, and won’t be disappointed. In fact, I’ll eat my hat, happily.
Post 558,
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- Hirka confuses her posts, and doesn’t seem to notice that Wevets is also dead. I’ll use his own words back at him: “Seems to me like she is trying to get a vote in, because she missed the previous day, without thinking through case.”
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I admit not knowing who was dead or not. I did skim day one, since I missed it, and it is mostly fluff anyhow. End of night 1, I saw we lost the Cop and a Bodyguard. You ask me now who they were, I couldn’t answer… Sorry. I did look through b]Scathach**'s posts before voting for her however. So really only noticed the posts she quoted or directly referenced.
See above.
I am willing to admit as a townie, that the subject of my role PM said “Role PM (mafia)”. While that sounds bad, I am town, and I’m willing to suggest if most of you townies (or all or you), had that, it does seem like the type of thing that a scum player might think looks bad and is something to edit. When did fubbleskag claim they had that also? My actual role and title was listed in the first line of the actual message. The Subject though was “Role PM (mafia)”. With the line in quotations marks being actual copy and paste…
And, since this was brought up, it does make me question Septimus’s claimed PM…
The only game I’ve played in that had a PFK (Play for Keeps third party for newbies), was the game before De’endee. In that case, it was a serial bomber, who only placed bombs on her targets, and killed even when she set them off, or when she was killed… Just so happened she was murdered by scum, and she had a bomb on the the “most townie scum player”, which ended up winning the game for town… (Only game I’m on the winning party of! Go Town!!!)
In that game, Inner was the town Doc, Lightfoot was the town detective, who claimed really early with only ATPG as a result, and was role blocked the rest of the way… Though, that’s better then this game where we got our detective killed on night one, without a single result 
I won’t give details, but mine isn’t like that either. Actually I just looked and nearly had a heart attack because I misread it (the word “Mafia” was in it, that’s all I’ll say) and immediately thought “oh holy crap, have I been on the wrong team the whole time???” Which was stupid because the scums would surely have been wondering why I wasn’t joining them in their little scumcave by now, right?
Then I opened the PM and it confirmed that I hadn’t misremembered. Whew.
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NETA: (boy I wish I could edit that editing error), That last bit was choie’s… And I agree… This is really making me think more towards the claim of Septimus, also, where did fubbleskag agree with the claim?
I’ve been reading a bit on Mahaloth, and I have to say I’m not getting the case against him. While he seems a little “different”, I’m not getting any scum vibes from him. And… fubbleskag backed up Septimus’s suposite claim, I’m thinking both of them might me questionable…
Might I ask our town Vig or SK, either way, Please target Septimus? If a town player, you confirm someone, if a scum player, you kill someone and help even the odds… Think it would be in a Vig or SK’s best interests to do either… If Septimus is really the doc…
I dunno, what’s the point of targeting him? If he’s really the doc he’ll just protect himself and that won’t confirm him–unless it’s a vig, in which case I guess the vig would probably have to come out of the closet and say whether he’d been blocked/prevented/whatever the correct term is. And then we’ll have outed our vig and not necessarily confirmed septimus (because aren’t there Mafia roles with immunity of some kind?). So is it worth it to out our vig? … assuming we have one? And whoever that person is could actually be a Serial Killer claiming to be a vig.
…My God this game is complicated.
As I was reading I was thinking that** Fubbleskag** really pinged me, that revote on Septimus after he had claimed was just weird. Mental Guy made an even better case against Fubbles in post 776 than I could have. The other thing that I find a bit odd is that he answers a lot of questions with smilies, what’s up with that? Then his very first vote to abstain. Altogether it mounts up and I think it makes him look very scummy.
Vote Fubbleskag
From my count, Mahaloh and Svejk are in a dead heat, with 3 votes each. There is less then 12 hours left till end of day, and I hate a tie. So, I thought I should review the cases, and votes for Mahaloh… I’m on the Svejk vote bandwagon, and I still think he would be the best lynch.
So, he votes for todays other lynch candidate early on day one, for a random vote Svejk made. While it wasn’t the best vote ever, it was a decent one to start day one I think… Also, I think this pretty much rules out Mahaloth and Svejk as being scum together. I don’t see a scum voting first for another scum for a random vote on day one.
I’m not going to comment on this, Fubbles and Mahaloth seem to have had an OOG issue in this game. I’m not trusting any comments from each of them about each of them, including votes.
Ed is well… Weird… I never know what to say about him. He does seem to have changed his play style lately. I think this is is a valid comment, and I don’t see a problem with a vote on it. Honestly, Ed is one of those players that if he isn’t dead soon, I’m really going to start to suspect him.
While I do see your reasoning, I honestly don’t think he’s the best lynch of the day. He just doesn’t seem, well… Scummy enough. The only vote I think is really out of line is the vote on choie, though, that could just based on her comments from the last game, I do think she is townie.
Basically, came up with a bunch of reason why not voting others, and said is going to vote Mahaloth. I really don’t think this leads towards anything, Honestly, I think Fubbles latched onto MentalGuy’s case, since he wanted a reason to vote for Mahaloth, probably for reasons of their unknown animosity against each other. Do I think Fubbles’ really thinks he’s scum? No…
So basically septimus our “semi-confirmed town” (Though, see my doubts in my last couple posts above), votes for Mahaloth just because he doesn’t have a better case against anyone else. Honestly, he should be making cases, he has the best rep (if he IS town) of anyone, and people could follow him… But honestly, it seems more like he was placing a vote on who seemed to be most likely lynched besides Svejk, specially with him placing the third and leading vote on Mahaloth at the time.
Basically, I’m not seeing an actual case on Mahaloth, no one is actually accusing him of acting scummy, and I honestly don’t see why he on the highest vote getters. If we do lynch Mahaloth, and he is scum, what info does that give us towards other scum? If he is town, what info does that give us to semi-clear other town? Basically? What do we really get out of lynching Mahaloth?
There are 14 people still alive, 6 of us are already dead. If we lynch Mahaloth, that would be 13 alive, then at this rate at End of Night, only 11 of us will be left, and then who do we lynch Tomorrow? Svejk would be a much better lynch for today. At least if we lynch him and he comes out town, we’ll get some information. We lynch Mahaloth and what do we get?
Day ends in only about 10 hours (if I have my timezones right), so not much time left in making a decision. Silver Jan, you haven’t made a vote yet, and you’re in a time zone where you are up between now and EOD. I’m hoping my arguements have helped give you some thoughts, and hopefully, you’ll see things my way, and vote to lynch Svejk. I really do think he has a much better case against him then Mahaloth, and we really need to lynch some scum this day!
Unofficial Vote count based off the last mod count on #805:
Mahaloth (3): MentalGuy, fubbles, septimus
Svejk (3): Special Ed, Hirka T’Bawa, Choie
gnarliecharlie (2): Scathach, Guiri
Special Ed (1): Svejk
fubbles (2): fluiddruid, Silver Jan
Hirka (1): GnarlyCharlie
Based off this, we’ll have a random role between Mahaloth and Svejk…