correction:
Vote Count:
choie (2): Mahaloth, Septimus
fubbleskag (3): Silver Jan, Svejk, special ed
Silver Jan (3): Mental Guy, Hirka, Scathach
Scathach (1): choie
Not voted: PCM, fubbleskag, fluiddruid
this strikes me as *incredibly *odd.
there’s currently a tie between myself and Silver Jan, and your vote is with choie.
I’ve been on your suspect list since Day 1, reportedly, and seem to be even moving up that list as time progresses.
Jan, on the other hand, is not on your list of suspects; in fact, you’ve not even mentioned her name in a single one of your posts for the entire game.
the only reason I can think that you would be willing to leave this tie in place is if you know that both **Jan **and myself and Town.
I’m not planning to leave it as a tie, though my lack of work does pose a problem.
if you were not planning to leave it as a tie, what exactly were you waiting for? the tie breaking choice for your vote is so incredibly obvious that you should have made it without a second thought, and yet you didn’t. when called on it, you state that you intend to, yet still don’t make the obvious vote. backpedal much?
vote Mahaloth
FOS special ed
**Mahaloth **has had 3 suspects on his list almost the entire game: special ed, choie, and myself. his stated reasons for suspecting both **choie **and special ed are simply “play style”; of the two, he’s at least been trying to build on his suspicion of choie, even if nothing seems to be coming of it - but aside from his vote in #528, he has not mentioned **ed **except to remind us that he’s a suspect. I suspect **ed **is on this list simply so that if **ed **flips scum, **Mahaloth **can claim he had at least one scum on his list, with a recorded vote to boot.
I’m keeping my vote on Mahaloth; his scuminess is without question in my mind, based on his hesitance to break a tie between two townies. my suspicion of **ed **is based mostly (for the moment) on **Mahaloth’s **activity, which I admit is probably an odd approach, but it’s enough to get me looking more closely.
I’m back, yay.
This is a particularly weird situation, considering there are at least three quirky players (fubbles, Silver Jan, and Mahaloth IMHO) plus a fourth no-show (PCM).
As far as PCM goes, I can’t for the life of me figure out a reason why a Town PCM wouldn’t have been mod-killed by now, which is why I strongly suspect he’s active in the scum boards, and his lurking is strategy rather than lethargy. I don’t think he’s SK, though. I really don’t.
Mahaloth has it in for me, for no rational reason (again, IMHO), but of course, he’s entitled to. Honestly if his first vote on me had come Today, after my suspicions of septimus, I’d totally understand where he was coming from. Getting up in the claimed/unchallenged Doctor’s grill is not the wisest of moves, I admit. But he doesn’t even mention that, and his vote on me has predated my anti-septimus campaign. He’s just said “tone” and “play style” and “I’m keeping my vote where it is.” Other than that he’s barely contributed except for the earlier catfights he and fubbles were getting into, complete with nearly flouncing off in a huff. Luckily those died down. In fairness, his issues with getting access to the SDMB could definitely be the cause of his lower activity rate, at least for the past couple of RL days. Doesn’t explain his earlier behavior, though. He’s my choice for scum dark horse. But I’m very aware that I might not be able to separate my objective suspicions from my more personal righteous indignation (well, that’s a bit melodramatic) toward a guy who keeps voting for me for what seems to me to be specious reasons–what few reasons he has given, that is. Since I don’t trust my judgment here, I’m not yet gonna vote for the guy.
I’ve already made my comments about Silver Jan. She’s a puzzle wrapped in an enigma smothered in secret sauce. Are her votes as callow as they seem? She has more experience in Mafia than one would think from reading her posts, which is why I can’t help but feel she’s playing a role here of over-emotional, unreasoned voter. Or maybe this is just who she is, and she’d play this way as scum, Town, third party, or hell, maybe as game mod too. I know you’ve made some cases, Silver Jan, but I honestly don’t think they’ve been very well thought-out, and they appear to be piggy-backing on others’ thoughts.
fubbleskag… well. He’s been the strangest player of all. If his intention was to get us all frustrated/pissed off at him enough to lynch him, he’s done a good job. Except that’s not his role’s raison d’etre, as I understand it; the idea for a Town Hider is, as others have said, to draw fire from scum. And I just cannot get over that utterly crackpot timing of his claim: early in Night, nearly a week before any sort of vote would put pressure on him enough to claim. As Silver Jan wisely says, if everyone’s just gonna flip their virtual card over the instant the tiniest bit of pressure is put on him, we might as well just mass claim right at the start of game and get it over with. Crazy. I swear to God, I will have to feel the hemp rope scratching at my thoat before you get me to flip. (Oy, I know that’s tempting the fates!)
So this raises questions: is fubbles just playing really really badly? Is he not who he says he is–either secretly scum or secretly some entirely different role? Trepa told us there was one “weird” role, IIRC, so maybe this is it. In fact… now here’s a total long shot, but bear with me: I feel like he’s goading us to lynch him, which makes me instinctively back away from falling into some kind of trap.
So let me ask this of the other experienced players: is there any kind of scum / third party role that is lynch-proof? Or if not lynch-proof–clearly such a role doesn’t make sense in a game where Town usually has to kill all scum–is there any type of role whose lynch triggers some kinda backlash against Town? A kamikaze/suicide bomber role, as it were?
Whew. After all this, I’m still more in favor of lynching Scathach, and I want it on record that she was my first choice, especially if I don’t survive the Night (or end up lynched toDay). But I don’t want again to be one of the one-off folks whose vote didn’t really help Town in any way, even if I end up choosing someone I feel less strongly about.
To sum things up (and there was much rejoicing…), I very very much want to hear from anyone on the subject of whether fubbleskag’s lynching could be some kind of a trap; if there’s no kamikaze-esque role like this, I would probably change my vote to him.
Until I do, though:
unvote Scathach
vote Silver Jan
(Also, I have to admit I just love the nicname fubbles and will be sad to see him go. That’s not why I’m not voting for him, though, honest! :D)
Did you overlook my hypothesis regarding Mahaloth’s reluctance to break the tie or just not feel it was worth consideration?
(You had to quote that much text just for that? Bad netiquette!)
Actually it took me so long to compose that monograph that I didn’t even spot your post above mine, sorry about that.
I do agree it’s telling that he’s choosing not to break a tie, and that’s a very good point. But I feel it’d be a bit hypocritical to stomp on a guy for something I’ve done, to my detriment, because I was that stubborn or certain someone was scum. So maybe I’m just pinging him so ridiculously loudly that he just cannot abide not voting for me.
As long as we’re asking questions, though, I’ve got one for ya:
Emphasis mine.
Riddle me this, Batman: how do you know they’re two townies?
I know I’m town and the only reason he wouldn’t break a tie between me and her is if he knew we were both town - I’m not sure how you could have missed this part of the logic in my post and still “agree it’s telling that he’s choosing not to break a tie, and that’s a very good point”
good question
Also, without a long quote..
There are roles which will sometimes wish to be lynched.
A Jester role wins when they get lynched.
A Bomb can often kill one player voting for them as they die. But that doesn’t mean they’ll really want to be lynched.
A Scotsman might be the best option. They can survive one lynch or NK attempt. They are sometimes assumed to be Town if they survive a lynch, but often we’ll try to kill them a second time if they aren’t revealed Town.
Also, it looks like our tie is broken. Maybe Mahaloth can fix that :dubious:
:rolleyes:
The fact that you know you’re allegedly town doesn’t mean Mahaloth knows it. Nor does the fact that you know you’re allegedly down mean that you (or he) could be certain Silver Jan is town as well.
Yes, in a world where Mahaloth is absolutely definitely scum, and you and Silver Jan are absolutely definitely town, your using that “two townies” makes sense.
But we’re not in that world. I’m not sure how you could’ve missed this, except that I’m afraid you may want to get the town Doc to look into your health: looks like you’ve come down with a nasty case of Perfect Information Syndrome.
Thanks for the answers, special ed. Much obliged!
I’m confused, though: how could someone survive a lynch and still be considered Townie? Is the Scotsman able to be either Town or Scum?
Erm… tou may be “down” as in a hep cat, or “down” as in depressed, or maybe even “down” as in a fluffy duck feather. But what I meant was town.
Yes, a Scotsman can be any alignment, even 3rd party. I’ve seen all varieties.
Really, almost any role can be any alignment.
I’m beginning to think you’re being purposely obtuse about this. can you provide an alternative reason why Mahaloth would choose not to break a tie between myself, who he has been vocally suspicious of from Day 1, and Silver Jan, who he has voiced no suspicions of (nor even mentioned her, in any way shape or form)?
I’ll reiterate: the only reason for him not to break the tie is because he knows we’re both town and is happy to see either of us lynched on a coin toss; the only way he can know we’re both town is if he’s scum.
[quote=“choie, post:1093, topic:603526”]
Yes. Because I’m only one vote away from a three-way tie, and I’m the person he finds scummier than you or Silver Jan. So he may well be waiting it out until the last minute to see if someone votes me.
And can I just say how very amusing it is for you to be bitching about Mahaloth’s refusal to break a tie when you yourself are doing exactly the same frikkin’ thing? Except you’re worse, because Mahaloth has almost no chance of being lynched!
That is interesting. Though, to be fair. it makes sense from fubble’s point of view to wait to break a tie, either in the hopes of getting Mahaloth lynched, while still able to switch to Silver Jan. And Silver Jan cannot switch to fubbles.
Or, alternatively, fubbles and Mahaloth could be teammates and distancing themselves, while still allowing either to cast a “reasonable” vote for Silver Jan, I suppose.
Vote count
Silver Jan (4) - Mental Guy (1049), Hirka (1058), Scathach (1072), Choie (1088)
Fubbleskag (3) - Švejk (994), Silver Jan (1006), Special Ed (1070)
Choie (2) - Mahaloth (997), Septimus (1010)
Mahaloth (1) - Fubbleskag (1085)
Scathach (0) - [del]Choie (1027-1088)[/del]
Septimus (0) - [del]Hirka (968-1048)[/del], [del]FluidDruid (970-1066)[/del]
Special Ed (0) - [del]Scathach (1007-1072)[/del]
Not voting: PCM, FluidDruid
Couple of quick points - I am going to follow up on an attempt to get to bed early today:
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Mahaloth is still acting weird; in spite of the fact that I’ve asked twice if he’ll (?) explain why he’s voting Choie, he won’t (#1080). **Fubbles **is right to call him out on the fact that given his previous statements, he should be breaking the tie that existed at the time between him and Silver Jan. **Fubbles **says that Mahaloth is scum, and knows that both **Fubbles **and Silver Jan are scum, but why would scum have any problems placing his votes on a townie in accordance with previous statements to contribute to the lynching of that townie? I don’t think this logic works.
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**Scathach **causes another tie; miscounts the number of voters left in the game (only three, at that point, including the inactive PCM) and thinks there is still time in the day when in fact EoD is drawing ever nearer and most people in the game are going to clock out for a night’s sleep. The reasoning here is weak; there is also no explanation for why she does not like the fubbles lynch.
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Silver Jan I have no read on either way, which is pretty much what others say, she just does really quite little. I’m just going over her posts of the last couple of days and there’s nothing that really jumps out at me. Perhaps this is a much better scum tell than Fubbles’s erratic behavior, but then again I’ve found that some of the things that fubbles has done actually form an obstacle to town reasoning. I feel that this is really a judgment call where experience can be quite helpful. Lacking experience, I’m going to go with what my gut tells me which is to go for the more obvious, if you will, candidate: fubbles.
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Fubbleskag does not comment at all on the cases that have been made against him, which may be because he’s trying not to look defensive, but it’s still a bit weird to me. He’s back, and doing some investigative stuff, but as said under 1) I’m not sold on it; As for his argument that PCM is the vig/sk, it could be true, I really don’t know if choie’s right that if** PCM** had been town, he’d have been mod-killed already. Either way, it does not really count in Fubbleskag’s favour so unless there’s a really good reason to believe that he might be vote-baiting in order to take one lyncher down with him, I’m going to keep my vote where it is.
Ed, Choie, you seem to be working under the impression that there presently is a tie, but I don’t think there is, is there? I’m starting to doubt my own counting again.