Since I did one voting record, what the hell? Lets do 2 more, the leading vote getter and the person my vote is on!
Nava/Pygmy Rugger
Day 1 - no vote
Day 2 - sachertorte - late in the Day, Kat had voted 1st (1124) but unvoted (1183), Nava voted 1256 and Mhaye followed with a vote for sach 1263
Day 3 - no vote
Day 4 - no vote
Day 5 - no vote (PR is playing now I believe
Day 6 - vote for Kyrie then an unvote
Fluiddruid
Day 1 - sachertorte (702) about 1/3-1/2 through the day, leaves it on, 4 vote but there was 1 unvote
Day 2 - Mal (1031) very early, basically immediately, leaves it on, 2nd to vote (after Pleo)
Day 3 - Hockey (1513) early in day, leaves it on, 1st to vote of 3 eventually
Day 4 - Mad (1791) 3rd vote
Day 5 - Zeriel 4th person to vote (2253), unvotes 2289 (I didn’t check, but its after a bunch of unvotes of zeriel so I am assuming after role claim), votes for Kluts (2343) is the 7th person to vote for Klutz.
Day 6 votes for Kyrie, appears to be the 2nd person to do so.
So what do I see from this? Nothing from Nava/PR but I think we all knew that already. As for fluiddruid I see nothing as unusual as Fretful’s voting record. I am not getting cult from fluiddruid but I don’t really know what to make of Fluid druid. Basically I won’t vote for her as I think PR is a better target, or Fretful.
I’ve hemmed (sp?) and hawed about this, and I’m going to go with my gut. At the beginning of the game, I know that I was over-correcting toward giving people the benefit of the doubt. I think that is a mild and obvious strategy. Right now, I’m somewhat paralyzed (rationally speaking) between not knowing if my reaction to each individual player is due to trusting them too much or not enough.
So I have to react more instinctually(sp?), which also happens to be ironically, (and some will undoubtedly say hypocritically), and toss in my vote for Pygmy, primarily for the piss-poor presence at voting time. Heck…between the two souls who have occupied that body, they have twice as many no-votes as I do, and that’s saying something.
As I said previously, I fully expect both town and scum to work within the realm of passing judgment due to no-votes, and I sincerely apologize to the town for plunking myself down in such a WiFoM-esque behavior. You can blame my gut.
Following up on myself. It appears to be Idle Thoughts who is the lone no-vote conspiracy theorist.
This can all be found for your re-viewing pleasure at #2301 at the top of page 47.
I cannot help but be reminded of a series of card tricks that I happen to know, when reading the successively shrinking lists that always happen to include my name…
He then goes on to vote to dunk confirmed town Captain Klutz. This is later (subsequent Day(s)) followed by:
Do you ever have one of those days when you’re always on the wrong side of mixed metaphors?
I’m the one who is voting based on no-vote history. Idle is the one who is voting based on votes cast after role-claims. I do truthfully know the difference between these two situations, I just don’t seem to be able to functionally communicate about them whatsoever with the written word.
In what way is it “risky” or “flat out impossible” to confirm or disprove the claim? It’s risky only insofar as the real alchemist would out themselves, but so what? It’s not that valuable a role for the town, and we come out way ahead in a 1:1 alchemist/scum trade. It’s not like your’re a new player to these games, Cookies; you know this.
There’s enough doubt, imho, in certain situations to prevent my just swallowing a role-claim in the absence of a counter-claim. I see that you and I seem to differ on this point, zuma.
I’ve found it odd that Malacandra still hasn’t posted here toDay. I thought before I went after him again, I’d check to see if he’s been active on the Dope in that time. Since the start of Day 6, Malacandra has posted 37 times to the dope, including 10 times in MPSIMS, in a total of 20 different threads.
I can understand being busy and having limited time to participate, but that’s not the case here. It seems he’s willfully ignoring participating toDay.
I know this wasn’t to me but since it ties in with my suspicions, I figured I’d address it.
The thing is…it’s been, what, three game Days since she role claimed? And while I don’t expect the REAL Alchemist (if, in fact, she is fibbing) to roleclaim and expose themselves…I DO think that as more and more Days go by, the chances that she’s telling the truth increases. I’d also think that, at the very least, SOMEONE would still hold her in suspicious and that that someone might be the actual Alchemist. So far only YOU are doing this, though and yes, that does mean that you could be the actual Alchemist, but see, that’s where it falls apart for one sole reason:
It is not known if there is more than one Alchemist in the game yet.
So either way, I feel it appears more and more that Hockey is probably telling the truth (at least in my eyes and mind). If I and her make it far enough, however, and the game is still not over, I might start looking at her a bit closer, but right now, there are just more people I find there are better reasons to vote for based on suspicious or weird behavior. Like voting for people after role claims.
To be honest, though, I find/found Mal’s more suspicious than yours.
Sorry. I’ve hit one of those times when I just do not have a single useful thing to say. As fluiddruid seemed to be making a pet project of me once upon a time, I’ve certainly no objection to seeing her go down, but I’d struggle to put together a case of my own at the moment. That’s why I’ve not voted. But if it makes people feel better, I’ll vote fluiddruid and take the flak if it turns out badly.
Incidentally, posting fluff in an assortment of odds-and-ends threads on the boards isn’t the same as trawling through this mofo of a thread looking for clues.
Well, I am suspicious of fluiddruid but I’m going to leave my vote on Pygmy Rugger just now because a) we’re not in a tie-break situation and b) I want to keep my suspicion of **PR **on record.
About 1 1/4 hours left and it seems Fluiddruid will be the one to die.
We still have 2 people who haven’t voted. Yet again the role played by Nava/Pygmy doesn’t appear that they will vote. How long are we going to allow this to happen?
Mhaye also appears unlikely to vote. So lets look at his voting record:
Day 1 - mtgman (874) this is very late in the day, the day ended 894. this was the 7th vote
Day 2 - sachertorte (1263) again very late in the Day, Day ended 1315. This was the 3rd vote for Sach
Day 3 - Votes for diggit2 (1660), unvotes 1678, and ends up not voting for anyone. This was again very late in the Day action as it ended 1717.
Day 4 - ABSTAIN, but doesn’t declare it until 2040, day ends 2066
Day 5 - Klutz, (2347) yet again another very late vote as the Day ended 2361. Was the 8th person to vote for Klutz.
So what do I see here? I think we have a cultist here folks. Always late votes. Why? I think it is to have some sort of voting record but not one that will ever be called upon as it is so close to the end of the Day it gets lost in the new information gained by both the dunk and the night kill. As well there are no risks taken here, all of these votes are either following votes and late onto the dunk or votes for a person who was in no real danger, or just no vote at all.
My scum list:
Malacandra (Hal thing)
PR (role is way to quiet for my liking)
Fretful (weird voting record)
Mhaye (see above)
Kyrie (because of the actions of Clockwork Jackal early in the game)
I don’t think my vote will make much difference to the sunking Today, but I’m going to make it anyway.
VoteMalacandra.
I have been reevaluating the infamous [post=8739113]989[/post] in the last few hours.
My first gut reaction was “That was quick.” It read like Mal had had it prepared.
Then it occurred to me that with the degree of attention his vote for zuma received, he should be ready with some response. That and the fact that he phrased it like I would have done to steer people to the conclusion and let them put 2 and 2 together without actually spelling it out, led me to dial back on the suspicion meter and look elsewhere.
That’s not really a good basis for writing off a suspicion though, as I realised when I took another look at it.
I know Mal does not post much, but then iirc he didn’t post much in M2 either. That’s just his playstyle.
I’m not happy about this, but I’m not seeing Fluiddruid as Cult so I can’t join that lynch mob.
On playing time, my availability will be low for another week, and then I’ll have more time to play catchup.
Assuming this data is correct, the only two players that have not helped to lynch a Believer are Pygmy Rugger and Cookies. I’d bet that one of these two are Cultists. It’s been bothering me that I have no opinion about all three of the souls that were in the body currently inhabited by Pygmy Rugger, so I’ll start there. Unvote sachertorte, vote Pygmy Rugger.
Sure, like with Kyrie Eleison, right? Jumped on the bandwagon there.
Since I’m pretty much going to die, I guess I’ll just chime in and say I think we’ve fundamentally been on the wrong track. We’re still just tracking the “usual supects” from Day One, and frankly that strategy hasn’t been working for us.
I think we ought to take a long, hard look at NAF, sachertorte, Pasta/amrussell and some of the other “under the radar” folks rather than going after another usual suspect tomorrow (probably Malacandra). Maybe Diggit. I think the vote counts support this. They’re keeping their hands as clean as possible but being very convincing about making trusted lists. Troubling.
I still maintain Kyrie is my most likely scum target though. Good luck town.
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As fluiddruid seemed to be making a pet project of me once upon a time, I’ve certainly no objection to seeing her go down, but I’d struggle to put together a case of my own at the moment. That’s why I’ve not voted. But if it makes people feel better, I’ll vote fluiddruid and take the flak if it turns out badly.