Mafia V: The Cult of Sekham

I’m having a great deal of difficulty in deciding who to vote for.

I looked at a list of the current players, excised myself and the roleclaiming players; with three of them there has been sufficient time to counterclaim, and no-one has. Malacandra’s claim is too new to have been properly evaluated, and the next few hours probably won’t be enough time.

All my suspicions of the thirteen remaining players are so thin. They mostly boil down to reeds so slender I’m ashamed to base a vote on them.

DiggitCamara[sub]2[/sub]? Every time I think he’s done something scummy it turns out that he has a good explanation and/or I’ve misunderstood him. The discussion we had earlier is a good example.

Once I’d sorted out the misunderstanding re his latest theory, that began to appeal to me. Like many people, I’ve wondered about whether Kat included a Cultist in her Four FOS’s (back in post 1020). So far, Pleonast and Malacandra have roleclaimed. While Mal’s is too new to have any opinion on, Pleonast’s is now two Days old and there have been no signs of a counterclaim. If they are both true, that means that the Cultist is either FlyingCowOfDoom, **Sachertorte **, neither or maybe both. I don’t know which; I wouldn’t put it past Kat to deliberately pick four genuine Believers.

I tend to believe the hypothesis that Hal Briston investigated **Sachertorte ** and cleared him, insofar as anyone can be cleared by an investigation. That doesn’t invalidate DiggitCamara’s “**Sachertorte ** the Prophet” hypothesis.

On rereading some of Yesterday’s stuff I did have some suspicion of Pygmy Rugger. This started after Queuing showed that a large part of PR’s output had little or no real content. Today he’s been much more active.

I’m not sure whether PR realised the implications of his advocacy of the Night 6 Conversion theory. Conventional wisdom evolved over M3 was that the scum should convert as late as possible. The only reason to use the power earlier is the possible loss of that power by losing the Prophet. If that nearly happened Yesterday, scaring the Cult into converting before killing all the conversion-blockers and immunes were killed, then PR and Mal were the lead suspects. To my mind, the Prophet pushing the idea that recruitment was used while himself being a main suspect for the role is suicide. Thus I don’t see PR as scum because of this.

The other players don’t even give me that much to work with.

I wouldn’t mind an extension, because it would give me the chance to go over things again with a fresher mind tomorrow afternoon. So I’m going to vote Sachertorte.

The problem with removing Pleonast from suspicion based on his role-claim not being counterclaimed is that all we know is that he is the secret role. We don’t know if he’s scum or town.

Question for Pleonast: Without giving anything away, is there a way for you to prove your alignment at some point in the game?

That’s a good point, and one that I hadn’t considered – BUT on the other hand, suppose PR is scum and he knows the Cult didn’t convert; couldn’t he be trying to sow paranoia and trick the town into dunking an innocent power role? In that scenario, he might not spot how easily the theory could backfire on him until it was too late. (By the way, I’m not discounting the possibility of conversion by any means, but if Malacandra really is the Disciple, I’m going to place my bets on last night being a successful block. His list suggests that he’s been playing the role actively and making a real effort to second-guess the scum rather than self-protecting, and IMO this is the style of play most likely to pay off.)

No freakin’ kidding. My only guess is that he investigated people he thought were the Apprentice on both nights, found that they were town-aligned, and didn’t want to draw any more attention to them than they’d already drawn to themselves. Still, it would be nice to have a few hints about people we could trust.

Okay, since it’s a choice now between some people I think are scum and some people I think ain’t.

I’m going with my gut, since analysis is not my strong suit. I’m uncomfortable voting for Diggit at this time, so…

vote Pygmy Rugger.

Unofficial Vote Count (updated once again):

Pygmy Rugger(4) - FlyingCowOfDoom, cookies,Fretful, zeriel
DiggitCamara(3) - Idle Thoughts, amrussell, Kyrie Eleison
amrussell (2) NAF, queuing
sachertorte(2) - DiggitCamara, mhaye.
Malacandra(1) - USC
FCOD (1) - Pleonast
cookies (1) - hockey monkey

It seems like we have 2 hours left.

IMO we are having way to many single votes. I know the general play is to always vote whom you think is scum the most, but this is not a conventional game. Maybe we need to start garnering some sort of consensus about who to go for?

Those people who have the vote on sachertorte—come on, he can’t defend himself. By our acquiescence to allowing him to stay in the game with no sub and with no demand of a modkill we also basically gave him a get out of jail free card. Hence the votes for him are cop outs.

How about looking at the top 3 and deciding amongst them? Or do you honestly think all 3 of those are believers? This is directed at all of the single voters. As you stated pleonast we mustn’t allow this to be a solely scum decided vote, which it could be by the adherence to voting for whom you think is most likely to go.
To add, just in case I die tonight—mhaye makes another safe, late cop out vote. If anyone else had a vote on you I would switch in a second. I will start the Day with your name in blue.

the last sentence should read:
most likely to be SCUM not GO.

Blaster Master can we have an official vote before you end the day? I will change to force I tie but I want to make sure that I make it a tie accurately

shrug Because my vote doesn’t really matter right now. I could vote for you to try and tie it up, but then you’d just change yours to me. That’s not productive to the town. I’ve done my best to try posting since I took over and caught up, but Queuing pounded me to death until he got me killed. amrussell can do the same thing, but hopefully I can convince -somebody- to vote amrussell, also.

Sorry my previous players didn’t participate, guys.

Non voters:

sachertorte - excused
malacandra - how come? another non-vote after a role claim? I freaking hope not
zumav2 - ?

This is a rather important vote, how about coming in and standing up?

Top 3:

PR: 4 votes
DC: 3 votes
AMrussell: 3 votes.

Please choose one of these 3.

Hrm. Mhaye is also showing up in blue from me tomorrow first thing.

I’m consciously going with a strategy of playing from the gut toDay. Intellectual evaluation of the players is failing me until we have more evidence in the form of dead scum. Therefore, I do this because my stomach says to:

unvote Pygmy Rugger
vote amrussell

I disagree. “we” did not “acquiesce”. BM made his decision based on our input, and most likely scum’s input as well. And god knows what other factors. I agreed with BM’s decision, but I don’t view it as a “get out of jail free” card.

I realize I’m playing erratically today. That’s consciously done.

I’d had my suspicions on amrussell too, but hadn’t voted for him because he wasn’t a frontrunner. He is now.

Okay, Zuma, you’re here. Put some blue down.

I think if we had made a big stink about it we could have influenced his decision. One of the reasons I am very much against this extended absences is because I am hesitant to ever vote for someone who cannot defend themselves. This is particularly true of a player who had been talking.

vote please?

I will relinquish my singular vote. Unvote Cookies.

I was waiting for Zeriel, since he is the only person in this game I trust. I know it’s a cop out, but since Queuing is calling for no single votes, and I don’t have any good suspicions, I’ll vote amrussell, and hope he’s scum.

And I unvoted you when you started posting things that were not just fluff. Sorry for the pounding/insults/etc but it was done to make you talk. Consider yourself lucky I don’t have any bamboo!

I do like it rough… but not that rough! ouch, ouch Ok, ok! No more fluff!

Hey, you don’t have to listen to me. If you honestly believe all 3 of the top vote getters are all good guys then say so. I just think we need some sort of consensus going here, some sort of collective action and belief. It is good to say here is who I think is most likely scum, and see if you can convince others, but if that is not happening the trail has been laid, your suspicions will be known. Then it might be best to focus on the top vote getters (ideally sooner then 2 hours before the deadline) so we can all discuss and come to some sort of consensus. Right now everyone is just going on their own, which is admirable, but perhaps not the best course of action in this present version of the game.

Perhaps this focused discussion of a few targets will help clear about some of the mass confusion that a lot of us are feeling.

I’m still recovering from the Malacandra claim :slight_smile:

In all honesty, I probably should have spent more time toDay looking over other suspects. That said, vote: Pygmy Rugger. Subject to change as time allows.

Non voters:

sachertorte - excused
malacandra - how come? another non-vote after a role claim? I freaking hope not

This is a rather important vote, how about coming in and standing up?

Top 3:

AMrussell: 5 votes.
PR: 4 votes
DC: 3 votes

Please choose one of these 3.

So those who are here, do we want a tie? Another 12 hours?