Out of game:
Reading the flak that Mal’s getting–at least he’s been participating in the game up to this point. What bothers me are the players who joined the game and then didn’t play. That is what is bad for the game. People subbing out for planned vacations is not unreasonable. People just fading away without posting is not cool.
I’ll be modding the next game here on the SDMB. I’m only going to accept 20 players total, and there will be multiple deaths per Night (from the beginning), so the next game will be shorter.
As far as the recruit goes…I’m not it. I don’t think there was one. I think they may have tried to recruit Fretful Porpentine, failed, and killed her the next night.
Day 1: only person to vote for NAF.
Day 2: only person to vote for Pleonast.
Day 3: voted for Pleonast, with Idle and Hazel.
Day 4: joined the Mad bandwagon.
Day 5: voted for Pleonast, after my claim, along with Mal.
Day 6: voted with many others for Pygmy.
Day 7: again voted with many others for Pygmy.
Good votes: the last two Days’ votes seem legit to me.
Neutral votes: Day 4 was a huge bandwagon vote and doesn’t really say anything about those on it.
Scummy votes: Day 5 is weird–very few people think it’s ok to vote for a claim not countered. The Town can afford to let a scum live a Day longer, while losing a power role can be painful. Days 1-3 are useless votes–it’s fine to vote for people you find suspicious, but at the end of the Day it looks scummy to avoid voting for the leading candidates. Great way to not have any links with the actual dunks.
Overall, maybe not as scummy as MHaye, but still rings the bells in my head.
On preview: good point Hockey. I still consider you a likely suspect, but there’s much slimier fish to fry.
As we know I am in favour of allowing power roles to claim when they choose. I hope that the apprentice has been leaving crumbs. If they have not been then we are fucked.
My proffered course of action is to take the 4 real life days we have. On RLD 1 and 2 people come and say their suspicions. Everyone has to have a suspicion. If not then you are an idiot or scum. People who do not come and lay out suspicions against people instantly jump up the line and become scum suspects. On Day 3 everyone votes for whom they think is most likely scum, after which we take the top 3 candidates and everyone votes for one of them.
I will admit I have no idea if this will actually accomplish anything, but it would force everyone to post who they think is scum. Then everyone can evaluate everyone else’s arguments. The top 3 would know they are in danger and can claim or not. It would force some sort of consensus and would leave an easy to read but as always hard to analyze trail to follow.
As I have posted, mhaye has always voted very late in the day. This by itself would not be necessarily scummy. However almost all of these votes have been safe and not adequately (in my mind) explained. For these reasons his name is in blue.
I think this is not a bad idea, and may even keep the apprentice safe while giving us valuable information. But it we do this, EVERYONE needs to do it. That is one of the big reasons why chrisk’s plan in M2 didn’t work. Also, don’t list who you trust.
Me, I don’t know anymore. This game has got me a little bit spun. I agree with everyone’s analysis of MHaye. It looks scummy as all get out. I also agree with Pleonast about FCoD, he is up there for me now. Cookies is striking me as scummy, but as I have said before, there is just something about her posting style in these games that ALWAYS strikes me as scummy. I don’t know what to do about that, because at this point I am not sure I can ignore that fact any longer.
There are also some people who have been more or less off my radar that I think we need to look more closely at. Idle is one, USCDiver is another. Idle is starting to remind me a lot of Gad in the Pirates game. He is just TOO townie. USC I don’t have any kind of a read on at all, and that is unsetteling at this late date.
No vote yet, but that is where I am looking right now.
I don’t mean it as cover for the apprentice. Hell the way the scum has been going I wouldn’t be surprised if they already knew who the apprentice was. To be perfectly honest while I hope the apprentice has been doing an excellent job and knows who a lot of the scum are I am very hesitant to rely on them.
I think my plan takes some of the reliance off of the apprentice. As we know they aren’t necessarily accurate anyway. I think my plan will provide a couple things; a clear snapshot of what everyone is thinking. I see no danger in attempting to force everyone to put their thoughts down. Even if the apprentice is eerily accurate and draws attention to scum big deal. We then take their list down one by one. If people do not put their thoughts down they better have a damn good reason. The only power roles left are the apprentice, the disciple and the monks (for the believers). Of these the disciple has already claimed, we know who 2 monks are, and their is much debate about the importance of the apprentice role anyway. At this point what do we have to lose?
I don’t see much, but I see something to gain. Everyone’s thoughts and everyone’s votes. Assuming 5-6 scum to begin with we have 4-5 left out 16 players. Of those 16 zeriel, malacandra, pleonast, and hockeymonkey have claimed, leaving 12. So we probably have a 1 in 3 chance of getting scum just by dumb luck. I think knowing everyone’s mind at this time, seeing what everyone thinks of each other, and then getting a consensus of sorts on the top 3 vote getters improves it to smart luck or something.
Vote getters now:
Idle Thoughts (1) – Pleonast
Mhaye ( 3) – zeriel, FCOD, queuing
DiggitCamara (1) – Idle Thoughts.
I see absolutely no reason why people can’t come and lay down their thoughts today and a vote. Everyone should have suspicions. They have probably been laid out before. We don’t need links right now, we just need thoughts.
I fully support Queuing’s proposal. Every Townie needs to put their suspects out there. We need something to go on when you’re dead. And at the rate we’re going, you’ll be dead soon.
I hope they blew their recruitment in this fashion, and this proposed chain of events does seem sufficiently plausible to me, but I will not be putting all of my eggs in one basket.
Right now I’m on the fence between voting for Pygmy and MHaye. I will endeavor to do write-ups on both of them once I find the time.
I’m still more suspicious of DiggitCamara than anyone else, but there don’t seem to be many that agree with me, so I’m re-evaluating somewhat. By this I mean I’m not immediately voting, but am waiting a bit to see what develops this day before voting. It’s not reassuring me that the chief reason I’m suspicious of Diggit also somewhat implicates Idle Thoughts, who is one of the few who have joined me in voting for Diggit. I don’t know quite what to make of that yet. Nonetheless, were I to vote right now, it would be for Diggit.
I’m still on the Cape right now, but I’m following along. Thank you, unsecured wireless network.
Ok, I’ll get the ball rolling. This game is still so huge and going so badly for the town, that it’s getting a bit tedious anyway. It will shake things up a little bit to try something new.
Please also note that Pygmy Rugger should be added to your list, my vote is still on her.
My list of suspicions:
High Suspicion: **
Pygmy Rugger
MHaye
**
Medium Suspicion: DiggitCamara
Idle Thoughts
zuma
Kyrie Eleison
sachertorte
Low Suspicion:**
USCDiver
Hockey Monkey
Zeriel
Malacandra
Queuing**
I still doubt that the recruitment has been used, for the reasons I put forward Yesterday - namely that the chance of hitting a player that was either unconvertible in their own person or was being protected was too high.
There was one hypothesis that no-one advanced Yesterday, and it crossed my mind again when I read the death scene. That is, did the Priest use her “protect all” ability on Night 6? It would certainly explain why she was not self-protecting last Night.
That can be answered by the Disciple, but I’d really rather not know now. Keep the Cult guessing, please.
To the people intent on lynching me - how much of your suspicion is based on your dislike of my playstyle? I take a long time to think things through - I always have. Added to that is the (now thankfully finished) daytime commitment imposed on me and that led to my voting later than I preferred.
I’ve always voted someone who I thought might be scum (except Day 4, when I really had no idea except that Mad was not scum so don’t vote for him). The trouble is that I have had no firm conviction so I agonise. I draft and redraft posts, looking at things from every angle. I must have restarted Yesterday’s post five or six times. Additionally, I still have a very high threshold of proof - something I need to lower. I’m working on it.
As far as suspect lists go I need to order my thoughts on a few things before I can draft a reasonable one. So maybe tomorrow evening.
Thats all fine and dandy. Of course we want your best work. It would be swell if your best work happened with time to go rather then in the last minute (ok 12 hours) and with a vote that is essentially useless.
Honestly if it is taking you 4 days to write one post then you are thinking way to much, and hoping to use the exact excuse you just did IMO. This game is not that important or time consuming or complicated that it should take you 4days to come up with a safe vote.
Call it your playstyle if you will, I call it taking no risks and being of minimal help will trying to show you are of help.
When did I say it took me 4 days? Not once, that’s when.
I said I drafted it several times. That doesn’t imply that I started it with the Dawn. I had other things to worry about last week too, you know.
During Day 7 I updated the postlog analysis of the two players I have been keeping up, and did the latter half of another one I’d already started. I never did post that, (although I still have the draft saved so maybe I should). It was on FlyingCowOfDoom. My overall conclusion was that despite some misstatements he probably wasn’t a Cultist.
That left me Thursday evening to address my suspicions, and they had to take into consideration Malacandras claim and whether I should vote him anyway (given that he’d been my Day 6 vote and all).
So after reassessing Malacandra, resolving a nitpicking exchange with DiggitCamara[sub]2[/sub] and stopping to watch Heroes part 4, it took be all evening and into the early hours of the morning to come to a vote.
In retrospect I shouldn’t have voted as I did on the basis of a theory that sounded attractive at half past one in the morning. I definitely need to reassess that vote.
I have someone willing to step in and take Malacandra’s spot. Because he has made a pro-town power role claim, I imagine there are few people who will object to a sub over a mod-kill. Hence, though I do not like the idea of subbing in at this late stage in the game, in light of the role-claim and balance, I will sub unless I receive an outcry of mod-kill requests in PMs.
Yes, we all have other things in our lives. Yes we all have jobs and we get busy sometimes. We all understand that.
However not any of what you posted explains, or even comes close to explaining really, why you always vote so late in the Day. You seemed to try to say that you agonize over it and have a high threshold of proof. Ok, I would buy that. If this wasn’t our 49th real life day of game play. I would have expected you (and everyone) to understand that this game isn’t about proof unless you are the oracle, this game is about interactions, feelings and people.
By now you should have realized this.
By now you should have stopped hoping/relying for proof.
By now you should have been seen how people are voting earlier and earlier in the Day.
By now you should have realized we do this to get people talking.
Yet you have done none of this. Yes you have posted posting histories. Very good of you. They have limited usefulness, and I was the person who first organized/suggested their use in M2. They don’t suck, they aren’t just gooblygook, but scum post them just as much as town do. They are an easy way to look like you are very helpful.
So look what we have here? Another way to look helpful without actually being helpful. Just like very late votes. Just like voting for a “safe” person. Particularly if you knew that person was not a cult.