Ok, that took an hour and a half. I will be quoting things from the previous day, some of them questions/accusations of me, some of them things I thought odd and whatnot. I will also be quoting somethings from this Day.
[QUOTE=mtgman]
Ok, twice now ArizonaTeach has thrown a stone and then backed off of his claim. First with me in post 294 on page 6 and then with Zeriel, actually jumping in on analysis by Captain Klutz, but then bailing out when questioned about it. This strikes me as suspicious. I think a Cultist would be afraid of taking a clear stand against someone early in the game. To do so indicates a certainty that most of don’t have about the side that person is on. If their participation leads to the dunk of a townie then the town will comb back through their posts and discover they were helping drive the lynch. Then suspicion swings their way. Cultists have itchy dunking fingers, as befits someone with information hidden from the other players. But, they can’t use them openly for fear of exposing themselves, and I think this is exactly what ArizonaTeach has done. He/She’s let his/her itchy finger get the better of him/her, but let paranoia make him/her back off when challenged.
So, Vote ArizonaTeach.
Conversely, a Cultist has little to fear from taking a strong stand against another because if either of them ends up dunked then they come off smelling like a rose. As storyteller0910 pointed out, it is fallacious for the town to consider someone who helped dunk a Cultist as “trusted,” but it’s still common and advantageous enough to use.
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I agree with this. I did find ArizonaTeach’s behavior and voting style a little bit odd in Day 1. Then the meltdown and quit. I only followed the first game, and played the 2nd, ignoring the other 2, so I don’t have much previous behavior to go on, but I did find this odd. He played M2 for quite a while, even through major clusterfucks, much bigger then any we have seen here. Yet the instant someone attacks him, he quits? I find this odd, and FOS him!
[QUOTE=diggitcamara]
Just to clarify, I was well aware of the Cookies-motif I was using (I saw it in Mafia 1, repeated it it Mafia 3, joked about it in Mafia 5). It may not be “traditional” but… how are traditions measured anyway?
It’s also becoming a tradition to vote for me because of my early throwaway vote. In M3 Lightnin’ and percypercy voted for me because of it. I can understand their use of such a reason (as newbies), but, frankly, I expected better from you, Queuing. YMMV.
On my idea: I threw it out there because HazelNut prodded me. Twice. The timing was unfortunate, but, to me, it was just an idea. I see its flaws now, so I won’t defend it. Neither will I shut up about other ideas just because they aren’t popular.
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On his answering of my suspicions of him; I still don’t like the “I voted for Tradition”, but his answer for my second reason is good enough. Nor do I like him saying he expected better. To me it sounds like an attempt to make me feel good about myself hoping I will go “oh he thinks I am better then my lame-ass day 1 reasons for voting, he mist be a good guy”. Or I could be suffering from paranoia. Not even close to enough to actually vote for, but still FOS!
[QUOTE=pasta]
A minor FoS to Queuing, for his (in my eye) weak reasons for voting for DiggitCamara in 670.
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Somewhat weak reasons, I agree. However it was before the mtgman dustup, and on day 1. I still don’t like people just throwing around votes. I think constant voting and unvoting just serves to confuse us by giving the appearance of activity when there is very little.
[QUOTE=snakescatlady]
If I post, it’s “content free” and fluff. If I don’t post, I’m lurking. I see no reason to post when I have nothing to add. Do you want me to repeat things I have noticed that others have said? I see no point in making this thread even longer than it is - it is hard enough to keep track of what is going on. When I have something to say, I say it. Otherwise I keep my mouth shut. How else am I supposed to play? I don’t think it is my place to tell power roles how to play or when to claim, as some others seem to do.
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Others have said it, but I will add my voice to the chorus. Posting is very important. It is why killing lurkers seems to always be raised.
[QUOTE=snakescatlady]
Before anyone decides to call me out on this being a revenge vote, let me clarify my position. The first game of play we have very little to go on. I do not seek to twist what other players have said in order to come up with a justification for a vote - that ends up in getting Believers dunked. I know innocent Believers will end up getting dunked in this game but I don’t want to contribute to it. I find the motives of someone who would single out someone who has posted but not a lot and deliberately misrepresent what they have written very suspicious. This is the kind of action that results in other players thinking “yeah, Pasta said SCL was just sitting back…” and can end up in a bandwagon on a Believer. If someone wants to vote me for something I have said, fine. But twisting my words is scummy.
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I find this a little odd. Personally I have no problem with killing whomever. Believers will be killed, you will have a hand in it. This is the game. As far as I can tell you kill people you find suspicious or useless. This will inevitably result in killing some of the believers. To say you don’t want to help in it strikes me as an attempt to subtly influence people’s thinking, by planting in their minds that you don’t want to kill, that you want nothing to do with hurting innocents. That you don’t want your teammates killed.
Well none of us actually want to kill our fellow believers, but the reality is that it will happen. Saying otherwise just strikes me as wrong. So FOS you!
The next things I came upon was the rash of all of a sudden votes for mtgman. Including post 870 by Zeriel and 871 by pleonast who both unvoted someone else to jump at the chance at killing mtgman. Neither state reasons in that post. Could this be a jumping on bandwagon vote? Don’t know, just thought I would point that out.
[QUOTE=sachertorte]
I did an analysis of Queuing’s vote for DiggitCamara. Unfortunately, my sullied reputation is probably hindering my ability to gain traction on this topic. After I’m dead, take a look at Queuing’s posts and point of view toward DiggitCamara.
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It was a day 1 vote, relax a little geez. I love the martyr town. FTR I find this sort of accusation distateful, 'Once I am dead look who I didn’t like". Why? If you have something to say, say it now when you are alive and can further backup your arguments or allow the person to defend themselves. That being said this strikes me much like the arguments put forth by brewha in M2. Brewha was town, and I believe sarchertorte is town as well.
post 884, hockey monkey joins the mtgman bandwagon while commenting on said bandwagon . No proof given, just that he felt it was the right thing to do.
It seemed we then had some discussion about the kill scene, even though Blaster Master had openly said that it meant nothing, and for us not to read anything into it. So why this discussion? Is it to give the appearance of talking? Or was it just an innocent mistake? For now I am going with the latter. Mostly because I sse no benefit for the scum to pretend to do this.
A couple people then posted on who did the killing. Since there is no way for us to know, I see no benefit in this discussion. I don’t think it matters who killed zuma at this point, but rather why zuma? The only link was the malacandra thing, and I just don’t see malacandra being that dumb. Not enough to garner my vote as of yet.
We also have some discussion of the crusader. This comes from a couple of the people who really enjoy figuring out the math, and who seem to believe that math can solve/break this game. I would prefer if they shut-up about it as I see no benefit to it, but I suppose if they insist they can discuss whatever they want.
Another thing that stood out for me is the apparent lack of content posting from Monkeymensch. He is posting but not saying much. This is exactly what he did in M2, when he was the SK. It was quite effective for him then as he made it quite far. He could be attempting the same thing. Or I could just be seeing things from the previous game that I played. I will admit those who I played M2 with do stand out more in mind. This is a fault of mine, and I will be on the look out for it, but as of yet I am not changing my very slight suspicion of monkeymensch.
