You are still barking up the same tree, which is, “I’m not scum”. I just don’t get a townie vibe from such ardent defensiveness, nor the fact that you are trying to hard to present yourself in a particular light. To me, that’s scum behavior. You’re not trying to appear TOO townie, but not scummy either… why walk this line? Town simply has no reason to. Scum does. In fact your post is exactly what scum would want to do.
I could be wrong. Odds are against us. But I simply think you’re the best lead so far. If you’re a townie then you need to stop acting scummy - if you’re not scum, who is and why?
As I said (possibly too much) yesterDay, I’m still learning what’s a good indication of Town or Cult; I wanted mainly to ensure the experienced people saw it and my concern. Since that’s been done, I un-FOS Pleonast. (BTW, is there a standard color for un-FOS? I used lime.)
Now I have to go consider FlyingCowOfDoom’s point… and see who today (real time) may be a Cultist.
Ok, that took an hour and a half. I will be quoting things from the previous day, some of them questions/accusations of me, some of them things I thought odd and whatnot. I will also be quoting somethings from this Day.
I agree with this. I did find ArizonaTeach’s behavior and voting style a little bit odd in Day 1. Then the meltdown and quit. I only followed the first game, and played the 2nd, ignoring the other 2, so I don’t have much previous behavior to go on, but I did find this odd. He played M2 for quite a while, even through major clusterfucks, much bigger then any we have seen here. Yet the instant someone attacks him, he quits? I find this odd, and FOS him!
On his answering of my suspicions of him; I still don’t like the “I voted for Tradition”, but his answer for my second reason is good enough. Nor do I like him saying he expected better. To me it sounds like an attempt to make me feel good about myself hoping I will go “oh he thinks I am better then my lame-ass day 1 reasons for voting, he mist be a good guy”. Or I could be suffering from paranoia. Not even close to enough to actually vote for, but still FOS!
Somewhat weak reasons, I agree. However it was before the mtgman dustup, and on day 1. I still don’t like people just throwing around votes. I think constant voting and unvoting just serves to confuse us by giving the appearance of activity when there is very little.
Others have said it, but I will add my voice to the chorus. Posting is very important. It is why killing lurkers seems to always be raised.
I find this a little odd. Personally I have no problem with killing whomever. Believers will be killed, you will have a hand in it. This is the game. As far as I can tell you kill people you find suspicious or useless. This will inevitably result in killing some of the believers. To say you don’t want to help in it strikes me as an attempt to subtly influence people’s thinking, by planting in their minds that you don’t want to kill, that you want nothing to do with hurting innocents. That you don’t want your teammates killed.
Well none of us actually want to kill our fellow believers, but the reality is that it will happen. Saying otherwise just strikes me as wrong. So FOS you!
The next things I came upon was the rash of all of a sudden votes for mtgman. Including post 870 by Zeriel and 871 by pleonast who both unvoted someone else to jump at the chance at killing mtgman. Neither state reasons in that post. Could this be a jumping on bandwagon vote? Don’t know, just thought I would point that out.
It was a day 1 vote, relax a little geez. I love the martyr town. FTR I find this sort of accusation distateful, 'Once I am dead look who I didn’t like". Why? If you have something to say, say it now when you are alive and can further backup your arguments or allow the person to defend themselves. That being said this strikes me much like the arguments put forth by brewha in M2. Brewha was town, and I believe sarchertorte is town as well.
It seemed we then had some discussion about the kill scene, even though Blaster Master had openly said that it meant nothing, and for us not to read anything into it. So why this discussion? Is it to give the appearance of talking? Or was it just an innocent mistake? For now I am going with the latter. Mostly because I sse no benefit for the scum to pretend to do this.
A couple people then posted on who did the killing. Since there is no way for us to know, I see no benefit in this discussion. I don’t think it matters who killed zuma at this point, but rather why zuma? The only link was the malacandra thing, and I just don’t see malacandra being that dumb. Not enough to garner my vote as of yet.
We also have some discussion of the crusader. This comes from a couple of the people who really enjoy figuring out the math, and who seem to believe that math can solve/break this game. I would prefer if they shut-up about it as I see no benefit to it, but I suppose if they insist they can discuss whatever they want.
Another thing that stood out for me is the apparent lack of content posting from Monkeymensch. He is posting but not saying much. This is exactly what he did in M2, when he was the SK. It was quite effective for him then as he made it quite far. He could be attempting the same thing. Or I could just be seeing things from the previous game that I played. I will admit those who I played M2 with do stand out more in mind. This is a fault of mine, and I will be on the look out for it, but as of yet I am not changing my very slight suspicion of monkeymensch.
By way of explanation, I voted for mtgman because his last two posts came across to me as significantly more scummy than anyone else. Adding to that the fact that as the day came to a close, it struck me that a few people were in the running for actually being dunked, namely (by counts) ArizonaTeach, Kyrie, Mtgman, sachertorte, and Autolycus. I’d made up my mind to unvote Kyrie because I didn’t have AS much to go on, so it for me was a question of which of the remaining top vote-getters I thought was scummiest, which ended up being mtgman.
I don’t know that I disapprove of apparent bandwagon voting in the case where there are a lot of tied frontrunners going into the final hours, since A) it could be a case of people narrowing the effective field of likely dunkees and B) there’s always the chance that everyone saw the same thing and reacted more or less at once.
That’s probably good advice. I’m going to try and calm down a bit today.
From my point of view, in order to assess “why zuma?” we must first understand ‘who.’ If zuma were crusader killed, then the motives would be different and the “why zuma?” would be very different from a scum-killed zuma. Does that make sense? Basically, I’m *assuming *zuma was scum killed and trying to answer the *why *from that point of view. I could be wrong in my assumption, but I feel it is best to go with what is most probable and work from there.
I’m not going to be looking too hard for scum in the mgtman bandwagon…at least not yet. I’d like to see a few more posts from some of the subs, and I need to re-read the weekends posts a bit more carefully before saying anything useful.
I was guilty of this, so I can offer some insight, although I’m not sure how useful discussing it is. In my case, I think it was just an extension of what we’re all doing, which is trying to extract precious little bits of information where few exist. I think that in this environment, the mind scrabbles for some purchase, and it became tempting to hope that Blaster was too strong in his statement that color meant absolutely nothing, and that, just maybe, there was something useful there.
In other words, it’s a case of jumping at shadows, and Blaster has responded strongly to put down this hope. Suitably chastened, I won’t do it again. Maybe. I hope.
According to Blaster Master’s End of Day One vote count (894 ), everyone voted except Nava. Presumably Nava didn’t vote because she wasn’t paying attention to the game.
For the record Blaster Master announced Nava as Captian Carrot’s replacement at 9:49AM on Friday 29-JUN-2007 (post 700 ).
As far as I can tell Nava’s first post came during the Night Phase in post 915 3:59AM 02-JUL-2007.
I’m assuming that Nava is located in Europe such that the combination of time zone difference and weekend explains her absence and lack of Day One vote.
If Nava is located in North America, I would like a bit more explanation for the lack of participation and lack of vote.
One tiny tidbit that struck me as odd:
(bolding by me, sachertorte)
It strikes me as odd that Nava slips herself into the list of people she’s noticed. It seems so innocuous, yet it bothers me. Does anyone else find this behavior strange?
Ok, between this and Fretful Porpentine’s* “heesh” and “himmer”, can I make a quick request of everyone?
The next time you post, can you all please include your gender? And can you take note of everyone else’s, just so we don’t have to go through this all the time?
Thanks much, Hal Briston, penis owner
*****I’ll be damned…that’s the first time I noticed the name is “Fretful Porpentine” instead of “Fretful Porcupine”…
I’m here, and yes, I’m reading. I will say that this is a VERY volumous game, and I’m already operating on a “read it once and move on” basis. I try and remember general post numbers of things that I want to comment on, but with my memory…
My gut feeling is that toDay is going to be largely similar to Day 1, but I’m a conservative player. Some of you are apt to be more confident in targeting people right out of the gate.
I play in another online game with a long-standing practice of using Spivak Pronouns. I’ve gotten into the practice of using them online when I haven’t determined the person’s sex.
Back to the game… the last we saw of Autolycus he was committing PWI (Posting While Intoxicated). I figure he gets a pass for the next 8 or 12 hours to recover from the hangover, then I start suspecting him for being quiet.
Idle Thoughts has done some pretty good analysis so far. I may put em (There I go again!) on my less-suspicious list for the moment.
And then there’s everybody else on Nava’s “noticed” list, which has some overlap with my post count list before.
Can anybody point me to some good strategy guides on analyzing post counts and related patterns?
The one person I’m most concerned about, though, is the one with 10% of the posts in the thread – as of my earlier count, about 105 posts out of 1035. I think Blaster Master is out to torment us all.
I recall Nava posting about Spain, so I assume she’s in Europe.
Yes, and no. I included myself in analysis lists in WWI, however they were lists of all the players. On the other hand, I’m pretty sure Nava notices herself every time she posts, so technically, you could argue she belongs on her own list. By itself, it doesn’t raise my suspicions yet.
