In that case I will unvote monkeymensch and since I laid the case out
vote Scuba Ben
This probably means Scuba Ben is a power role if my performance in M2 is any indication.
His level of participation is actually making me more likely to vote for him. He seems to be responding to direct inquiries, and participating just enough to avoid getting subbed out, while not really contributing anything of significance. Yet he pops in enough, often just after having been mentioned, to make it clear that he’s following along, and he promises that there’s more to come if we’ll be patient. He’s failed to vote once, and he seems to be following the plan that fluiddruid outlined as the optimal scum strategy.
I’m still waiting to hear about plan B, but my patience is wearing thin.
The text of the first question seems to suggest that the writer believes only the Crusader can activate the Psychopath.
It’s just the bold bit, obviously.
That’s not my understanding of the Psychopath’s activation conditions : it explicitly states “When the Cultists or the Crusader attack you at night, you will awaken startled and barely manage to scare off your attackers…”
It is therefore still possible that we might face the Psychopath activated.
I agree with Kyrie. I really didn’t like MadTheSwine’s vague notions of investigating someone only to find them dead, so he needs another plan. 1) He doesn’t tell us who this player was. Why not? 2) He doesn’t tell us why he thought that player deserved further investigation.
It seems conveniently vague and purposefully unhelpful.
MHaye. The questioner is right. Without a crusader a recruited unactivated psychopath has no one to attempt to kill him. A recruited psychopath will not be targeted by cultists.
:smack:
I think I must have misread the order of actions. Excuse me while I hide.
Thank you…that’s exactly the way I’ve been feeling of late.
I keep thinking back to the discussion on the scum board in M4, where it was decided that Autolycus would play it almost the same as Mad currently is (without the role-playing) – the very light posting, not a great deal of content, just enough to remind everyone that he’s here. It’s all looking very familiar. Don’t care for it one bit.
In fact, hell with it…I’m consistently having a harder time deciding where to place my vote in this game than I have in any of the previous ones, so I’m just going with my gut. Vote Mad The Swine.
And after the events in M4, man do I hope I’m right about this…helping lynch a scummy Mad would be such poetic justice. 
Can we get an official vote count BM? Thanks.
This will teach me not to post when I’m half awake. All I meant to say was that I didn’t think his comments were suspicious at all, and that I thought it was a big of an over-reach on your part to say they were. Perhaps it is a bit of an over-reach on my part to find your over-reach suspicious. I don’t know.
As for only referencing one quote, all I can say in my defense was that I thought you were quoting from the same post - plus, my suspicion stemmed from (what I deemed was) your over-reaction, so I didn’t really think the number of quotes you included was significant. Both of his remarks seemed similar in nature.
No need to be delicate. By saying you think I “knowingly misrepresented” something, you are basically accusing me of lying. I admit I may have misrepresented what you said, but I certainly didn’t do it on purpose. It would be stupid of me to lie about posts that are there for anyone who cares to check. I apologize if my laziness appeared as dishonesty.
Also, I didn’t state any explicit suspicions because I don’t have any yet - my original post (the one I made half-asleep) was all about vague suspicions, not just about you, but about a number of people. I posted them in the hopes they would be challenged, so I could either discard them or have them confirmed. I don’t see anything wrong with this. Are you suggesting I refrain from posting anything until I am absolutely sure of my opinions?
Pregame: post 51, 165, 167, 181
Post 206 – agrees with FCOD not to worry about non-believers until the town starts winning handily because they aren’t the ones killing us right now
post 230 Thanks Hal for retracing his internal editing process re: the above post when Clockwork Jackal questions his wording.
post 325 Agrees with sachertorte’s strategy re: the Oracle and Apprentice investigations. Makes contradictory statements: that they should investigate in random order and that we should remember who was up for investigation if it’s a good idea to do it in order.
post 328 And an immediate followup to say holy cow, Mtgman is right. The Apprentice is going to be hard to really usefully interpret results from.
post 367 Gender clarification (male)
post 385 Reply to FCOD about people defending others on the first day…maybe they are masons. Talks about a few low level scum vibes (Clockwork Jackal, Mad the Swine, NAF, Pleonast, and DiggitCamara, and says he doesn’t have enough for a vote yet.
post 406 Agrees that we’ve had enough Oracle/Apprentice discussion, and points out that they are both Dopers which makes them smarter than the average bear and should be able to pick out a good strategy by themselves.
post 425 Responds to Pleonast re: recruitment. Basically that we can’t. This one is hard to sum up, so please click to read link.
post 435 Response to Scuba_Ben re: Prophet detection. Says he misread. Says we should treat those read as non-believers as scum unless proven otherwise.
post 522 Response to NAF about NAF’s listing him as a lurker, and FOS NAF.
post 524 Quote of entire post: “And yeah, what SnakesCatLady said–this is my first on-board game of Mafia(alike), and it’s WAY different than the in-person version I’m used to.”
post 549 NAF’s anti-lurker post scummy, Hal Briston’s post (about the Apprentice getting the Oracle’s attention) looks scummier every time it’s quoted, Kyrie Eleison nudging the radar but not as much as Clockwork Jackal did, Captain Klutz’s explanation of a good reason to lurk is scummy. Votes for NAF (in the wrong color).
post 550 Corrects his vote for NAF
post 564 Response to Captain Klutz: “Who benefits if we have people thinking it’s alright to post once per GameDay, with a vote and justification? That doesn’t give the townies much to go on, therefore it’s …essentially, not even worth an “official” FOS, just a mental note that it might be scummy.”
post 565 Lists people with post counts similar to the one’s on NAF’s list that NAF failed to mention as lurkers. (I’m on that list. 
) Says that if NAF is scum, these folks are suspect.
post 578 Response to NAF…again hard to sum up, please click link.
post 584 Response to NAF. Shining light on those not mentioned. Says Pleonast, Mad, and Mtgman are all starting to look scummy. (But doesn’t give any further explaination)
post 716 Storyteller was right about if the apprentice is revealed that he should be protected from conversion. sachertorte has a good point, but still think Queuing is right. Doesn’t know why so many votes for sachertorte other than the harping on the plan. Mtgman’s plan was more detrimental, but he backed off sooner. Considering backing off NAF vote.
post 717 Clarifies his defense of sachertorte and mtgman. Says it’s suspicious that Kyrie jumps to kill the apprentice rather than protect him. Unvotes NAF, votes Kyrie.
post 737 A response to Kyrie Eleison
post 768 Ease up on the pharmaceuticals
post 836 main point to SnakesCatLady to leave breadcrumbs so we can figure out what you were thinking after you die
post 870 Mtgman jumps to the top of his list and Kyrie Eleison is looking less scummy. Unvotes Kyrie and Votes Mtgman.
Night posts – 906, 952, 995
post 990, URL=http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8739118&postcount=991]post 991 Wonders how stupid the scum are to kill someone on the list for dunking on day two.
post 1047 Explains his vote for Mtgman, says he doesn’t disapprove of bandwagon voting when there are a lot of frontrunners
post 1057 Penis owner
post 1123 Chastises Mal for his condescension and FOS’s him
post 1130 response to Mal
post 1200 votes for Fluiddruid for immediately jumping on Malacandra with “precious little reason”, and to poke her. I don’t recall him being suspicious of Fluiddruid before this vote, so this one pings me a little
Post 1209 wonders if the 4th has slowed down the thread (not worth a link)
post 1223 For the Record FOS’s: Malacandra, Kyrie, Autolycus, SCL, and NAF. Notes that SCL and Auto have been very quiet and that’s why he voted for Fluiddruid. I thought her being quiet was a secondary reason per post 1200.
post 1249 A reply to SCL, and puts Mhaye on his FOS list
Night posts 1333, 1341
post 1369 “Observation one: If I understand the rules/roles correctly, either the secret role can kill or we know the psychopath is activated.” I missed this before and don’t really understand why he thought this. Did he forget about the Crusader? Yep post 1370 says so. The rest of the post is some analysis and a vote for Hal Briston that I just don’t understand (the analysis or the vote). It’s all starting to look like random words on a screen right now 
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post 1373 “Next random thought: We know, at least, that Kat wasn’t the Avatar. Neither of the deaders voted for her.” I won’t harp on the wrongness here because it was addressed in subsequent posts by other players.
post 1375 “Final thought on my lunch break–anyone wanna call the odds of Diggit having activated the Psychopath on night one? If we make that as a potential assumption, can we potentially get any ideas of who he might have been trying and failing to whack on night one?”
Post 1377 says he missed the rule on the Avatar kill. (Not worth a link)
post 1381 Replys to NAF on why he voted for Hal Briston.
post 1385 If he were the crusader he would be leaving breadcrumbs on the off chance that he activated the psychopath.
post 1413 Response to Idle on Idle’s vote for Kat
post 1441 “it’s in sachertorte’s post, dude. Number 585 is your statement.” This was a reply to NAF.
post 1445 Reiteration of his FOS for NAF. Click the link and read the whole thing.
post 1449 Response to NAF’s vote for him. Notes that his vote is still on Hal. Makes a good point about NAF’s lurker list.
Post 1451 explains his view of the use of FOS (not worth a link)
post 1453 Reads back and sees that zuma was on NAF’s list and is confirmed town so is not voting for NAF today.
post 1462 Response to Kyrie Eleison re NAF
post 1463 Unvotes Hal Briston stating that it was a dumb decision he had made based on the votewar between Kat and Mal
post 1485 sums up his own posting record, and says that he may not remember why he posted some of the stuff
post 1486 Question for NAF re obsession vs suspicion
post 1491 A very nice summary of his suspicions
post 1506 “Can’t agree more. I know I’m personally making a conscious decision to accept all real-life excuses for lurking or for substitutions at face value, and I’d be disappointed to find out people were using things like “oh, work was hell this week” as a contrived excuse not to post.”
post 1517 “I gotta admit, I’ve got a lot of little suspicions but damn, I have no idea who I should be voting for here.”
Post 1519 – fluff (the first one other than night posts)
post 1541 Bouncing between the following people to bote for: NAF, Pleonast, Hockey Monkey. Just a little earlier he had all but cleared NAF from his suspicion list. States that Pleonast is fading into the background. And up till this point he had not mentioned me at all (other than in his rebuttal lurker list to NAF). I find it “convenient” that he does this now, calls my reasons for FOS ridiculous and poor and threatens a retaliatory vote. Did I push a button?
post 1551 In response to me, offers an alternate explanation for his vote for Mtgman, and says he will step back from the impulse to place a retaliatory vote.
post 1552 comments on my capstone vote for Mtgman
post 1555 On re-read says that he wants to suspect Hockey Monkey and NAF, but he can’t really at this time.
Post 1559 – has little time today
post 1562 Says that he will have to examine Scuba_Ben because of Queuing’s analysis, is again suspecting Hal Briston, and puts NAF and me back in the suspicion rotation. This one confuses me because I think little had changed between post 1555 and this one. Why am I back on your short list now?
post 1563 Makes a possibly scummy correction/explanation of a possibly scummy interpretaion of his above post.
post 1573 Tells sachertorte it looks like he knocked a few people out of the woodwork, and that his suspicions are close to sacher’s. A reply to NAF. An out of game comment.
And that brings us up to now. Up until about post 1485 I was thinking that I may have been wrong to vote for Zeriel. When he said he might not remember some of the reasons he posted stuff, that pinged me a bit. Then the on again off again nature of his suspicions for both me and **NAF ** don’t sit well. (I admittedly may be biased when it comes to me, but I think I would have picked up on this if it were concerning another player.) I also want to say that I am not defending **NAF ** in any way, he’s just the other player concerned. Almost all day I was going to change my vote, but I think I will leave it be for now.
Regarding Queuings asking for thoughts on Scuba Ben…I dunno. I’ve been following along and reread some of his posts that you linked to and I don’t really see it. I mean, nothing really strikes me or pings my meter that says “scum”, although there are a lot of things that could go either way, I think (which you mention one or two–but to me, that kinda reads all of them like that). Other than that, I don’t know what to tell you. He does have a lot of meandering posts and thoughts but then again, so do I. So did Mtgman. So does most of the players in this game. My two cents is just this: At least I, personally, don’t see anything there yet that raises any alarms. shrugs
I’m mostly in the boat with Zeriel at this point. I have one or two suspicions and other than that, not much. I don’t know why this seems to be a harder game than the others but I get the sense that the Cultists are taking paints to remain in the woodwork.
Also, does the commradary between Hockey Monkey and Queuing seem off to anyone else as it does to me? 
I dunno, but just the exchange in posts 1556, 1558 and 1560 that they have seems weird. Like one is trying to butter up the other or such. Could be from both, but I tend to lean more towards the “coming from one” sense. But whatever it is, it seems/feels/reads wrong to me.
Speaking of Zeriel…
Bolding mine.
Hmm, well, I always read every post in the topic when I come on and do my catching up because I’ve found in this game, slips or hints could be found anywhere and it certainly never hurts to go over things more than one time. So please correct me if I’m reading/taking this wrong but are you saying you don’t usually read many posts or skip/browse over those that don’t really pertain to you or what you’re thinking/feeling?
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Hey, thanks for doing some of the scum’s work for them! Seriously, this sort of talk IS the stuff that raises hits on my radar. :dubious: I might have spoke too soon above when I replied to Queuings comment.
If you really ARE town, I don’t really see the advantage that can come from helping narrow possible choices down for the opposite team.
Only one page still? What happened to the days of yore when I’d come back and find three or four new pages on these games?
Anyway, I haven’t seen any major reason to change my vote. I say major because there’s been a few minor ones, but nothing rock solid enough to make me waver from strong suspicions I’ve had since Day One and only growing stronger since. Scuba Ben raised a lot of flags there with the talk of power role talk and trying to guess at Monks, so I have no idea if he’s either a boneheaded (at the time, not in general) town or very obvious scum. I tend to think it’s the former, although that’s me being tempted myself into the “scum would never be that obvious” brush-off, which scares me sometimes. But I don’t know what else could be and I haven’t had any prior pings, so I dunno.
Mal and, on a lesser degreeMad, are the only other two that are around on my suspicions lists at all. Mal from the start and Mad based on feelings I had and was starting to form that I see Kyrie expressed above–mainly that he (Mad) has seemed to just put in enough posts to stay in the game, but hasn’t added squat since he returned to the game.
As for now though, I’m going to keep my vote where it is as it’s the most credible/suspicious I’ve got at this point.
One thing Pleonast said, in his last post here (number 1568) is that he hasn’t been posting because he doesn’t have much else to add and doesn’t see the point in just repeating himself. I slightly disagree with this style of play because it doesn’t ever give anything for town, REAL, ACTUAL town, I mean, to use or work with. At the very least, even if you’ve voted already, what’s the harm in helping out by making comments here and there and giving your input on things? It could make a world of difference after you’re gone and your role (whatever it may be) is confirmed. If we had everyone do what he’s doing (or apparently feels), I feel–even though this is Day Three now–it’d feel like Day One still with all the info and reads we’ve had gotten from others.
Ah well, though. Just chalk it up to another good reason I’m voting for him and why he’s been a suspect in my eyes this long.
They were similar in nature. Had there been only one, I doubt I would have said anything at all. But two similar remarks, in widely separated posts? That’s the beginning of a pattern. And that’s also part of why it troubled me that you made it appear to be a single remark. It occurred to me that you might be trying to downplay the significance of what I had said regarding Idle, that is, defending him to some degree. I even thought that the other points in that paragraph might have been included simply to provide cover for this, and it didn’t help my paranoia when you later backed away from one of them.
True, but I did choose that phrasing carefully. “Lying” would have implied intent, which I couldn’t support, and which I remain unsure of. Had I thought you were lying, that post would have included a vote.
Not at all. Truth be told, I just wanted to poke you hard enough to get a response, which I hoped might be revealing. Thank you for responding – I was waiting to hear from you before voting.
Vote MadTheSwine, for all of the reasons I previously listed here, because Hal Briston is right regarding his behavior being similar to established scum strategy, and because, more and more, it appears to be strategic in nature, rather than due to unfortunate circumstance. MadTheSwine disappeared shortly after he began taking some heat from storyteller0910, HazelNutCoffee, and others, and his behavior since seems to be designed for self-preservation, in a fashion more appropriate to scum than to town.
It’s more that I find myself doing many of my re-read the threads at work on breaks or late at night, and I’m prone to having my eyes slide over some stuff that’s not strictly related to the last few people that pinged my radar. It’s one of the reasons I’m not voting until the weekend.
I make very few apologies for the on-again off-again nature of my suspicions. First of all, the NAF and you things are just as you said–I’m going to be super-sensitive about attacks on myself, and I’m not exactly alone in that. After all, if someone knows they themselves are a townie, it’s in their best interest to at least consider why they’re being targeted. I’m also admittedly prone to following along on other people’s logic–if I like what someone says in an analysis post, I’m likely to take their suspicion as my own.
Offtopically, I’m used to smaller games by a factor of 3+ and despite having joined in 2005 I’m not QUITE all the way adept at dealing with the type of fast-paced threads one sees on the dope–probably half my total posts are from this thread! That’s really the other reason I’m not always 100% fully on board with my posts from a few days or Days ago.
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Camaraderie? You mean he said that what I did was helpful, and then asked for my opinion? Which I then gave?
Meh, I wanted to hold out on giving it, but as you have pointed out numerous times the amount of talking has gone down significantly. I had hope others would have responded, but they hadn’t. I didn’t know when I would be able to get back to thread so I posted. It may appear that I am online all the time, but that is because I just leave the dope up in a tab at all times occasionally refreshing it.
I believe I pointed out that what Scuba was doing could be taken either way. However in conjunction with his mistakes and unwillingness to take much of a stance, or attempt to prove what he says or what he says he will do, I see no harm in dunking him, beyond the potential loss of another believer. That will happen to the vast majority of believers in this game, so no biggie.
You’re welcome, Kyrie. And . . . you know all my sharp words are just part of the game, right? Feelings tend to run so high in mafia games, and I’m always afraid that aggressive words might end up offending someone in an out-of-game context.
Must run to go grocery shopping, but I do have an idea for a vote. Will post more later.
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Yeah, that. : p Spelling isn’t my strong point, sorry.
And it wasn’t just “helpful” in her words but “extremely helpful”. And then she makes mention of all the “hard work” you’ve done when most others in here have done full summuries too. Upon reading (and again, which I just did now) it just strikes me as buttering you up or false praise because of other motives. It just all reads wrong to me, but I guess it’s just me.
In any case, I doesn’t make me twitch at you any, much (and I’m sorry if just saying what I did before made you think that, I guess I should have been clearer) but it doesn’t help my suspicions of her. I do admit that it’s possible I’m reading too much into it (which I have a strong tendency to do).
I think you might be reaching a bit here. I don’t feel buttered. I think I would notice. And I wasn’t buttering. But that does bring to mind one of my favorite southern sayings: “Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit!” 
Well if I was you and I was looking for a connection between us, I would look at the fact that s/he first said that doing yourself was a waste of time. I agreed with that completely and both of us refused to do ourselves. S/he also said that it was more useful if someone did another person, which I also agreed with. Even pointing out the assigned homework that I spearheaded in M2.
That is why I think she chose do to say “extremely helpful”, it was more or less meant as a “particularly when compared to the masturbation homework” addendum.
Full disclosure and everything, you know how I am.
Still, for the record there is no connection between Hockey Monkey and I.
I know exactly how you feel – don’t worry, there’s little risk that I’ll take anything in a game thread personally enough to be offended by it. I might get worked up in-game sometimes, but I don’t find it difficult to separate the game from reality. Unlike my sister, who used to pout for days after Monopoly games; Monopoly, in my family, is a rather cut-throat affair.