Crap! I’m gonna have to do this now 'cause there are less than 2.5 hours left and I’m not going to be around at 1:00.
Folks, I am your non-believing Alchemist. I’ve been playing the role as if I were assigned a townie spot. Meaning, I’ve done nothing at night but sit around and make gold for fear of blocking someone important. Which I’ll be happy to continue to do, or use my sleeping potion later on if we get a clue as to who the Cultists are. That’s it, my big defense post. Dunk me if you see fit, because I know the only way to prove it is through death, but I am not a Cultist.
Wonderful, a roleclaim that can’t be proven in any way. Still.
If voting stays the way it is, I’ll come back in at 12:45 and remove my Hockey Monkey vote so that we go into overtime and have at least part of a weekday to think it through. If I cannot push us into overtime, my suspicion and vote will stand.
[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey]
Crap! I’m gonna have to do this now 'cause there are less than 2.5 hours left and I’m not going to be around at 1:00.
Folks, I am your non-believing Alchemist. I’ve been playing the role as if I were assigned a townie spot. Meaning, I’ve done nothing at night but sit around and make gold for fear of blocking someone important. Which I’ll be happy to continue to do, or use my sleeping potion later on if we get a clue as to who the Cultists are. That’s it, my big defense post. Dunk me if you see fit, because I know the only way to prove it is through death, but I am not a Cultist.
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Okay. I was already tempted to put my vote back on Captain Klutz since that would have put you back into a tie. Unvote Hockey Monkey.
Vote Captain Klutz. In addition to the reasons I have already stated, I am bothered by his post #1648 in which he tells fluiddruid that a “vote action for the wrong reasons” is a scum tell. Any player is free to disagree with the reasoning or logic of any other player, but to tell them that their action or reasoning is wrong implies forbidden knowledge.
This probably comes too late to be of any use, but I believe Hockey Monkey’s role claim is truthful. Posts 233 and 343 strike me as things the Alchemist would say – they’re important points for Nonbelievers to get out there if they are to have any hope of surviving the game, and I’d argue that they can be construed as advice for fellow Nonbelievers more easily than HM’s other posts work as advice for cultists. For the record, I also believe the Alchemist is a potentially valuable role for the town. In a situation like the endgame of M2, when there were no longer any unclaimed townie power roles and no good way to determine which of the remaining players were town and which were scum, it might even be a crucial role.
Well, it looks like I will be around at 1:00 because I just got dumped. So if anyone has any questions, I’ll be here. Refreshing the page. Over and over.
[QUOTE=SnakesCatLady]
Okay. I was already tempted to put my vote back on Captain Klutz since that would have put you back into a tie. Unvote Hockey Monkey.
Vote Captain Klutz. In addition to the reasons I have already stated, I am bothered by his post #1648 in which he tells fluiddruid that a “vote action for the wrong reasons” is a scum tell. Any player is free to disagree with the reasoning or logic of any other player, but to tell them that their action or reasoning is wrong implies forbidden knowledge.
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The “wrong reasons” as in “poorly thought out or fallacious reasons”. For example, fluiddruid’s vote for Malacandra was based on townies not having to worry about “get out of dunking free” cards. Malacandra responded with (#1027)
and fluiddruid found this “no less troubling” (#1041). If defending yourself is a scum tell then we’re all in trouble. I believe that counts as a vote for the “wrong reasons”. To make it clearer, “wrong reasons” does not mean “because the votee is town”, it means “because the logic is dubious”. And no, I don’t know if Malacandra is town. I think he is, but he could be scum.
And now, I do believe Hockey Monkey’s role claim (if she’s lying there will be a counterclaim followed by a quick Hockey Monkey dunking). There are only 2 people who look likely to be dunked and I am now pretty sure that one of them is town, so
unvote fluiddruid
vote Scuba-Ben
[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey]
Meaning, I’ve done nothing at night but sit around and make gold for fear of blocking someone important.
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So, you’re saying you haven’t been blocking other players at night?
I’d like to go on the record as not liking the speed at which Hockey Monkey is being believed. I have no reason not to accept the roleclaim, but I’d really like to force a tie–I’d hate to see any other claimants to the Alchemist title do so after the 1pm deadline.
Just a reminder that the day ends at 1:00 PM EDT, which is in about 18 minutes. I do not have time to do the dusk post now; I will do it in a few hours.
If (and this is pure hypothesis) HazelNutCoffeeis a Cultist, then it’s almost certain that HockeyMonkey would not be. And if HazelNutCoffee is not Cult, she’d (probably) have no certain knowledge of HockeyMonkey’s role.
I do find this vote suspicious. Enough that If I had to vote now or die, I would vote for DiggitCamara[sub]2[/sub].
I’ll hold off voting for a while yet, but that’s the way I’m leaning. I’m also gong to read some more to see if anything strikes me as more worthy of votes.
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By now we have Hockey Monkey’s claim she’s the Alchemist.
I still don’t know why HazelNutCoffee defended her. (Post 1627, btw MHaye, still reads like a straight defense of her). But, barring a counterclaim, I have no reason to disbelieve Hockey Monkey. So I’ll unvote Hockey Monkey.
[out of game]Sorry to hear you RL news, Hockey Monkey. Hang in there![/out of game]
[QUOTE=Zeriel]
I’d like to go on the record as not liking the speed at which Hockey Monkey is being believed. I have no reason not to accept the roleclaim, but I’d really like to force a tie–I’d hate to see any other claimants to the Alchemist title do so after the 1pm deadline.
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Zeriel, I was the first to remove my vote. At this point I don’t see that I have a choice other than to believe her. If another player role claims as the Alchemist then I will have my vote back on Hockey Monkey before she can blink, but I don’t want to be in the position of having assisted in the loss of a power role.
We still have (by my count) 5 players who haven’t voted. I think I will spend the Night going back over their posts and see what I can come up with.
[QUOTE=Captain Klutz]
Your Day 2 vote for Malacandra looked like bandwagon starting because the reason for the vote looked flimsy.
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Bandwagoning is a completely different charge than bad logic or voting for the wrong reasons. That’s why I’m pointing out that “starting a bandwagon” is a completely meaningless term unless it’s applied to a small group rather than a single individual. Bandwagoning is suspect when a bunch of people pile on to a vote and cause a lynch of a townie, particularly on short grounds and in a short period of time; it doesn’t apply in this case.
[QUOTE=Zeriel]
I’d like to go on the record as not liking the speed at which Hockey Monkey is being believed. I have no reason not to accept the roleclaim, but I’d really like to force a tie–I’d hate to see any other claimants to the Alchemist title do so after the 1pm deadline.
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Sorry… are you in a hurry to see her dunked for some reason? I mean, if tomorrow a counterclaim is posted it’s still early enough in my book.
[QUOTE=Zeriel]
I’d like to go on the record as not liking the speed at which Hockey Monkey is being believed. I have no reason not to accept the roleclaim, but I’d really like to force a tie–I’d hate to see any other claimants to the Alchemist title do so after the 1pm deadline.
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Yes, it is a very late claim, likely too late to be counterclaimed this Day. But I don’t see that we have much choice but to accept it. Note that if it is false then we will get the real Alchemist counterclaiming at the start the next Day, and then Hockey Monkey will be dunked.
Hockey Monkey, why did you wait until just a few hours before the deadline before claiming?
[QUOTE=DiggitCamara]
By now we have Hockey Monkey’s claim she’s the Alchemist.
I still don’t know why HazelNutCoffee defended her. (Post 1627, btw MHaye, still reads like a straight defense of her). But, barring a counterclaim, I have no reason to disbelieve Hockey Monkey. So I’ll unvote Hockey Monkey.
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Thanks for the response.
I still don’t agree with your analysis - but on reread agree that it is a reasonable interpretation. So I’ll unvote DiggitCamara[sub]2[/sub].
I see you had the same gut reaction as I did to Zeriel’s post. I noted it, but there wasn’t enough “scum” feel about it for me to place a vote.
[QUOTE=Captain Klutz]
Yes, it is a very late claim, likely too late to be counterclaimed this Day. But I don’t see that we have much choice but to accept it. Note that if it is false then we will get the real Alchemist counterclaiming at the start the next Day, and then Hockey Monkey will be dunked.
Hockey Monkey, why did you wait until just a few hours before the deadline before claiming?
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I wanted to see how the votes overnight went. I didn’t want to claim if it wasn’t necessary. It’s a hard thing to guage - when should one do a role claim? Too soon is bad and too late is bad. Not at all is bad. I did it when I thought it was warranted as I didn’t think I would be around today.
So if anyone has any questions, I’ll be here. Refreshing the page. Over and over.