For some reason I didn’t see your vote until after I’d posted my comment, so my apologies.
I don’t remember seeing any post from you with any commentary Yesterday. Must have missed it.
Good thing I’m not playing; I’d have been lynched for skimming.
It’s a fine line and you risk shooting yourself in the foot when you assign “in-game” value to “fluff” time.
It’s like I said during the game: it reminds me of overthinking “groupthink” and if you continue in that path you’ll just get a generation of wolves who enthusiastically react to any and all positive events and rend their clothes when there have been negative events.
And players who are more laid back during fluff time (or, in other games, have other things to do, like evaluate whom to protect, whom to NightKill or other stuff) will be frowned upon.
YMMV
… I seem to remember that game differently…
And this is why I remember it differently :)
Let’s give more kudos to **Bayard **. In post 1009 of the game, after catching **JSexton **, **Bayard ** listed 5 players who hadn’t had much interaction with **JSexton **. The three wolves snared since WERE ALL ON THAT LIST!
MVP: ** Bayard **, who turned what seemed at the time a near certain defeat for the town to now a team on the cusp of winning. **Bayard **, who snared the first wolf and listed most of the rest!
Hey, thanks! I’ve been meaning to go back and compare my list to the actual wolves, but I hadn’t gotten around to it. Glad to know I was more right than wrong!
This is definitely an individual thing, but I do consider this to be bad form for a few reasons:
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The data isn’t even very good. There’s no way to know whether somebody actually is checking this particular thread when they’re on. Or maybe an actual wolf is actually lurking, but they don’t log in every time they come to the forum, so their login times only show up when they post. Or, like me, the SDMB is part of an “idle cycle” of sites that I go to when I’m bored, even if I’m not actually reading any threads. Or they’re reading on their shitty phone and couldn’t post even if they wanted to. Or they’re popping on to post about why the new Star Wars trailer sucks and can’t be arsed to spend time and brainpower contributing to the game.
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There’s so many ways to draw incorrect assumptions from green lights and “last on” times that the information is probably useless in most circumstances. In Sario’s case, he was a wolf, but his lurking was not scum motivated as best I can tell. He just didn’t have time to play the game.
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Mafia is already a hella stressful game, and knowing that somebody is tracking your movements can be interpreted anywhere from frustrating all the way to outright creepy. Probably not worth doing.
Different Game
Sorry. The similarities (I was a mason, it was a an endgame involving three players, ComeToTheDarkSide was involved and I had to re-read the thread to decide who of the others was scum and made the final decision) made me think you had just reversed the players who were involved.
My mistake.
Yeah, I’ll have to remember that technique of “who isn’t interacting with whom”. In principle, it could be subject to the same sort of deep analysis I’ve done with votes, which could even find Scum before the first one is outed. Though of course, tracking who’s interacted with whom is a lot more subjective than tracking votes.
It’s also a pain in the ass. 
I would loathe the general use of the technique. I often focus on a single player and what they have said (at least during the first couple of Days) and would be singled out quite often because of that.
This is fantastic stuff and a good lesson for new players. What scum Don’t do can be much more telling (and difficult to notice) than what scum Do do. And I don’t mean specifically player-player interaction, but the notion that a Townie player would participate in certain things but a scum player would avoid it. Saying nothing is so easy and often not noticeable.
I’ve been having fun watching the game, thought I haven’t had the time to really analyze it until recently. This is the first game I’ve watched unfold more or less as it happens.
The funny thing is that my gut was screaming that Diggit and Johnny were scum. (Easy to say that now that they’ve been killed, I know.) When I went back to analyze the thread to see what it was that was pinging me so much, I don’t see it. I specifically remember reading one of Johnny’s post night kill posts and thinking that it was the scummiest scum that ever scummed a scum. I was thinking town was making a huge mistake because none of them were pointing it out either, but I can’t find it now when I go back knowing the wolves and townies that have been killed. My analytical take is useless.
One question. Of those remaining, which have significant experience?
Also, my (much delayed) take on the Biotop non-kill after the Plum mis-lynch is that Bio more or less led the mis-lynch (or at least put it over the top safely for others) and that it would be easy to smudge him for both the mis-lynch and the fact that he was the next logical night kill. The fairly early in the day claim of First Mason cut that strategy off at the pass unless a wolf counter claimed.
Thing Fish led the lynch. Biotop probably had the deciding vote(I’m not sure if that was the case, or if it was because at that point I knew for certain I was out). Biotop had also delayed my lynch several times before. I think my wagon would have rolled faster without him. I believe they went with the kill-experienced players-tactic that it seems they’ve used most of the game. They did try to sumdge Bio though. It’s funny, because letting Biotop claim made quite a bit of difference for town.
Thing Fish got the wagon rolling, but Bio broke the late stalemate and drew two other voters to close things out (starting with post 1418, other votes coming in 1419 and 1420). It’s the late sequence I’m referring to.
I pretty much talked myself into it. I kept going back and forth between **Plum ** and **Diggit **. Even as I wrote the post that finally voted for **Plum **, I almost went the other way.
Ultimately, I felt we would learn more from flipping Plum. I still had this moronic theory that **Thing Fish ** was a high caliber playing wolf. If ** Plum ** were to turn up wolf, then I could discard the theory and trust **Thing Fish **.
When **Plum ** was lynched and shown town, I was ready to go after **Thing Fish **. Of course, when the wolves killed **Thing Fish ** that next Night, they kept me from going the wrong way on the next Day. Whew!
I was also thinking that if** Thing Fish ** was Town, maybe he was right about **Plum ** and I was the one foolishly defending the wolf.
And I didn’t realize until **Jimmy Chitwood ** started to question me that I might be being set up. I thought I had built up enough town cred. Good thing I had my Mason Card to play.
Yeah, in retrospect, it looks like that is what the wolves were trying to do. It was a risky play, though, probably too risky for its payoff even with what the Scum knew at the time. JSexton probably would have advised against it, had he not been killed before then.
Basically, we were hoping that Biotop’s switch was showing that he was wavering a bit from the pressure of being the “town conscience,” and that keeping him alive and pressuring him over the Plum kill would throw things back into chaos. Obviously that all went to pot when he claimed Mason so early in the day.
Much stuff happens between ‘posting your thoughts’ and the next Day.
(1) The lynch reveals information. That might change your stance on the issues at hand
(2) The wolves have the opportunity to kill. If you are Town and are wrong and the wolves kill you, then your opinion will work against the Town. Of course Town knows this and might discard your thoughts, but that’s basically the same thing as not saying anything to begin with. Giving wolves information to make an effective kill is bad for Town.
It’s a matter of opinion, not clear right and wrong.
For example, you said just now that if Thing Fish had not been killed at night, you would have made a case against him. If scum knew of your suspicions, then they would not have killed Thing Fish. By keeping your suspicion secret, scum inadvertently helped you.