Well, to explain further, this is what I would say if I were in the game… Prof P’s vote on Sario isn’t all that Townie. Of the three votes on Sario (Three! Seriously!?!), he was the first vote which is the weakest from a pro-Townie point of view. There is a strong possibility that he’s just a wolf tossing a meaningless vote on another wolf. At the time of Prof P’s vote, there wasn’t any reason to think Sario would actually get lynched. Once the ‘wagon’ (Again 3 votes, seriously?) got rolling Prof P could not jump off the wagon. To do so would look really bad.
That plus other “scummy” behavior, made me thing Prof P was a wolf:
Behavior change after the Sario Lynch
Really pushing the ‘fact’ that He, Cygnus and BioTop were clearly Town.
others I don’t remember right now
I’m wrong, apparently, but if I were fully unspoiled and in the game, I’d be pushing for a Prof P lynch hard. (And looking foolish doing so).
It comes down to me being unfamiliar with Prof P’s posting/playing style. His comments aren’t inherently scummy, but they give me a scummy vibe in tone and choice of content.
Ok I skimmed this thread first and now have read back and seen the other post that should not be, back there. That with the other comments made, including JBs above , I really don’t know what to think, but that is not unusual.
I would have expected a wolf to get off the lynch soon, I think there were a few ways he could have been saved, like voting for myself or someone else. I guess the wolf boards will be an interesting read, if they are opened up.
There just seems to be a consistent level of… bunk in what he says. Most recently he posted that big list of reasons why you were scum, and a substantial minority of them weren’t, on further observation, necessarily even reasons that he believed you were scummy.
But then there’s the votes. And then the post that shouldn’t be. It’s vexing. I’m terribly vexed.
My constant failing at this game is I get into my head someone is x and then interpret all posts as if that is true, probably not a good idea. I got into my head based on the vote that PP was town so ended up giving him a bye on most things as a new player . I should probably stop doing that.
I really love this post by TexCat. I’m more of an in-the-moment player, to my detriment, but looking at this vote from before is quite revealing. I have a hard time seeing a Wolf nonsuch jumping in with Diggit and voting for Mollusk. Hmmm.
And then Yesterday, nonsuch voted with Johnny Bravo against mollusk. How could a Wolf do such things? He’s screaming lynch me! You know who does stuff like that? Town.
Crap. That means it’s Cygnus or sangfroid. What the hell is the deal with Sangfroid again? Oh yeah, it was between Sangfroid and Sario. Geez, were they bussing Sangfroid?
At the time I was certain sangfroid was Town.
This last wolf is clearly playing an atypical game. Good for him, but its driving me crazy. I could make a case against anyone, but the Nightkill weirdness (ThingFish and Jimmy Chitwood) point to it being Cygnus.
I also think some of these newbies are not so new.
Of course now the Wolf will kill Cygnus just to make me go insane.
FYI, I posted a new thread for the sign ups for my upcoming mafia. I figured I would start it now since the current game is winding down and this will give me an indication as to how many are playing.
That may have been the case for the sario vote, he couldn’t really vote into the pool of unknowns to save himself as that would have ended up lynching a wolf, or one of the unconfirmed ( ok as much as we had anyone confirmed) which were needed later in the game to hide amongst , so maybe cast a vote on sangfroid and hope he died due to his alpha wolfishness, then hope the other sangfroid voter was lynched first , maybe two town for the alpha .
Either way the wolves toward the end game are vary constrained as to who they vote for.
If either **Cygnus ** or **Prof. P. ** is our final wolf, then that player deserves to win. Both are first time Mafia players, and to do such a good job with deception in their first game would earn my respect.
Even so… I’ve been Scum in a game once where I sailed “cleanly” into a Final 3 endgame, and where the two Townies promptly voted to kill me. No reason given except for hunches, but those hunches were ironclad, and they refused to budge.
Well, that’s kind of my point actually. One will be dead, leaving the other one as a squeakily clean scum.
There were two ‘suspicious’ night kills where it made more sense to kill one of the three Sario voters and not some unknown.
(1) Thing Fish
(2) Jimmy Chitwood
I reject the TexCat kill in this argument because at the time TexCat was confirmed Town and was a must kill for scum.
So when Thing Fish died, Biotop had not yet claimed. Scum knew the Mason was hiding in the group, but didn’t bother to try and kill him. Why Not? Scum should have wanted all three dead anyway, so there wasn’t any point to not killing one, unless one of them was Scum and they didn’t want to tip that off. If they had killed off the other two right away, then it would be crazy conspicuous why the remaining one remained alive. So they delay the kill. They have time, and if they don’t have time, they’ve either won or lost anyway.
So After Biotop dies, they kill him off. Reasonable enough. But that leaves two Sario voters left.
Then they kill Jimmy Chitwood! Why? Because Town won’t lynch either Sario voters and apparently Scum like that.
Now they can kill off one of the two Sario voters which ‘looks textbook’ but that leaves one alive.
At least that’s how I’m reading the two bizarre night kill choices. On other words, scum needed to time their kills to look like they are taking out the Sario voters, but leave one alive at the end.
It would also explain why Johnny B was so laissez faire about his lynch. If you know you have a “confirmed town” that’s actually a wolf, any other wolf dying doesn’t really matter, the team has inevitability.