Who would you pick for scum, then? Our remaining pool is largely newbies, right?
Also, I really, really hope I’m scum in Dante’s game. I was scum in my first two games ever, and in the many years of mafia playing since then, I’ve never been scum again. I’m missing half the game!
Am I reading correctly that you have 19 roles, all of which are power roles?
No one is contemplating Cygnus as possible scum. Why is he still alive?
Huge problem there. My thinking is that the last Wolf is one of Cygnus and Prof P and he knows that he can’t kill the other and not himself or else that will look strange. By dodging the kill of the other last Night, that leaves them both alive for this lynch and unlikely to be lynched Today. Then this next night he can kill the other and nothing will look suspicious about one dying and not the other since only one can die at a time. By that point it is down to three and there will not need to be another Day.
Since Cygnus gained a ton of credibility before, has he done anything to rock the boat at all? This dude is too clean.
Re: 3-player endgames
I played for a very short period of time on a board where the standard rule was for “the hammer”; the Day immediately ended when someone got a majority of votes. So whenever you were at a 3-player endgame, if either Town made a misvote, they would probably immediately lose. They couldn’t wait to see how the others reacted and retract their vote if they didn’t like it. That makes things much more intense for any Town members that didn’t already have extremely solid suspicions of one of the remaining two players.
I personally like the Dope’s preferred style of plurality and no-hammer, and it allows for unique tie-breaking mechanisms each game. Something else I didn’t like about other games was the first day Random Vote Stage, where nothing productive could really be done until people responded to the random votes thrown at them, even though logically no one should ever feel any reason to respond to random votes. As long as there’s some little twist to the rules that is worthy of discussion on Day 1, that kind of thing isn’t necessary at all.
Cygnus is at the bottom of my list, but I would like to point out that this was a town v town lynch. Letting TexCat get lynched is almost as good for the wolves and has the benefit of looking super townie. It was much more like the WIFOM scene from Princess Bride than the typical WIFOM scenarios are. Both cups were poisoned.
I didn’t have a third wolf on my list since the lynch of Plum, who was a very distant third. I was wrong about that one. I could make a case for PCM, but are there any veteran players left?
Though I should vote Chronos for his poor paleontology. Ammonites are post-cambrian.
No Johnny, not all 19 players will have a power role. There will be players that are vanilla. Stay tuned for more info when the sign ups start.
If you had suspected him since Day 1 as First Mason, why did you think your lynch would get Sangfroid? Prof P. had already voted for you.
Something does not add up.
Dang… is one of the “cleared” Sario voters really the last wolf. Prof. P or Cygnus? If so, we are going to lose…
It amazes me that after nearly two months of posts, arguments and analysis, I am still not at all sure who the last werewolf is.
Plum(2): ThingFish[1114], [del]Texcat[1118-1191][/del], JohnnyB[1142]
Mollusc(2): Diggit[1129], Nonsuch[1172]
Diggit(2): Chitwood[1132], Mollusc[1217]
Sario(3): Prof.P[1182], Biotop[1199], Cygnus[1205]
Sangfroid(3): Texcat[1191], [del]Biotop[1196-1199][/del], Plum[1223], Sario[1242]
Texcat(1): Sangfroid[1197]
Cygnus(1): [del]Sario[1209-1235][/del]
It still doesn’t look like Cygnus to me. But this was an odd lynch and I agree that it seems like there should be a clue there.
And re the Sario lynch:
Probably Sario thought it was a done deal that he was getting lynched, but in case they were wrong about the mason, it makes sense from him to vote Sangfroid. There he has two chances of either Plum or I being the mason. If he had switched to Plum or PMollusc, there would be at most one chance of voting with the mason.
And to answer Nonsuch’s question, it would look Townie. You should always have a vote down on whomever you think is most suspect. If whom you suspect most changes over the course of the Day, you should change your vote. Doing so gives the rest of the Town the most information to work with, and Town needs that information.
Oh. That’s very nice. I’m terrible at looking at previous lynches with new information; I should do that more.
At the time we were all wondering why Sario voted for Sangfroid and not Mollusk or Plum. Now it’s clear that he didn’t want to double up with a wolf. That makes Mollusk problematic.
Sario didn’t want to vote for Diggit because Diggit was a Wolf.
Sario didn’t want to vote for Plum because a wolf was already voting for Plum.
Mollusk had at least one wolf already voting for him. Was that the reason Sario didn’t vote for him or is Mollusk also a wolf? The case isn’t as strong now. Plus that would mean Wolf Diggit and Wolf Mollusk were voting for each other.
This actually makes me think Mollusk is Town.
I keep flip flopping on Nonsuch.
Well *if * the **Bayard ** list was 100% correct, then the wolves would have had a mighty powerful motivation to vote for another wolf and thus obscure the truth of the list.
Consider. The wolves had killed two town power roles. We had mislynched another one as well as a hapless townie. The wolves were coasting, feeling like the game was in the bag. We were all talking about next lynching **TexCat **.
Then…Bayard and his damning list appear.
Not only does ** Bayard ** name one of their wolves…he posts a list naming all the others. Wow.
**Diggit ** bravely asks **Bayard ** if he has any other info. But even if **Precam ** turns up town that must have been a devastating bit of postings for the wolves and they would need to scramble to respond. I think voting against each other would be a smart response with hopes everyone would forget **Bayard **.
Correction: It was **Johnny Bravo ** who bravely asked **Bayard ** about more info.
The Mollusc’s recent posts don’t really make sense. He agrees that Town’s best move is to lynch both him and nonsuch. He says that if Town lynches him first, then they’ll coast to victory when they lynch nonsuch, the last Wolf. And then he says that if they lynch nonsuch first, then if he turns out to be Town, they’ll have a hard time choosing between sangfroid or Prof..
OK, so from what he’s saying, it sounds like lynching him first is the best move for Town. But that’s only because he’s ignoring the fact that if Town did lynch nonsuch today, it’s Precambrian who would be the obvious lynch tomorrow. And he’s also flip-flopping on whether nonsuch is Scum or not: If they lynch him first, then nonsuch is sure to be Scum, but if they lynch nonsuch first, he might not be.
I think that precambrianmollusc is in fact the last Scum, and this is him just trying desperately to implement the Chewbacca Defense.
That’s not how I read it. I think he’s just been really transparent about the state of the game and his place in it – he knows that the reasons PP and Cygnus have been quasi-cleared are better evidence than any in favor of himself, so he’s just sort of going along with it and saying here’s what would happen next. It’s actually something he’s been predicting for a while, this endgame state. And I think, if you assume he really is Town, that he’s right that Town should lynch Nonsuch and that if that doesn’t work then they’re in a tight spot.
Anyway, it at least makes sense to me, although I don’t know that it makes him any more likely to be Town, since it’s something he could map out either way. I kinda think he’s going to flip Town.
Well, I still named 4 out of 5 wolves, which I think ain’t bad.
Sorry for anything I did to contribute to your lynching, PCM.
No worries Bayard, 1/2 the time I think I would lynch myself
Jimmy, yes correct, It would be logical for town to lynch both of us, but as I knew I was town, I had that extra bit of information, so lynching Nonsuch makes more sense, but “I know I am town” is not a very persuasive argument.
Honestly since we were down to Plumpudding, Nonsuch, Diggit, Johnny B and myself as possible scum, the game has almost been on rails. Lynch through the unknowns whilst the knowns get night killed, and hope either PP or Cygnus are not the last scum.
Anyway, fun game, good to get back to mafia after a break. I think I almost prefer the simple format to the more complex set ups. the new players helps refresh the pool as well. Fun playing with them all.
+1
At the end of the day, I do enjoy the less-crazy setups more.
I understand the allure of the crazy ones: not only are they more fun to design and run, but more players get power roles and that makes things more exciting all around. But I don’t have particularly great deductive reasoning skills, and the complex formats end up getting wrapped in way too many layers for me to follow along with.
Wow , lot of suspicion of the Prof over here. I just can’t see it because of him voting for Sario. Still I suppose bussing the alpha after the detective is dead is not a terrible idea, the alpha is no different to any other wolf at that point, but still has the aura of being a powerful wolf, so not likely to be bussed, hence bus him. Or something like that.