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You really are kind of a dick and the only thing that makes you better than Magiver is that you accidentally chose the right side to be a braying ass for. But I could easily see you going Incel in five years or so. Chill the fuck out on the anger.
Dude, take a chill pill.
That’s a fair point but that’s not what AHunter3 was complaining about in post #11. He was essentially complaining that you were being mean to Magiver. Magiver is a ridiculously partisan asshole who obviously voted for the Orange Peril and has about the same level of simian-like intelligence, and deserves everything he’s getting.
Nowhere in that post do I see an attempt to defend Magiver. It was a complaint in the way that Magiver was being insulted. My reading is that if BPC just called Magiver “a ridiculously partisan asshole who obviously voted for the Orange Peril and has about the same level of simian-like intelligence” without the fake concern and reference to actual mental illness that there would be no objection.
I don’t want to get into a massive microanalysis of all this, but the point is that there are two completely different issues with these kinds of insults. One is that by trying to ridicule your opponent by equating him with some blameless minority such as those with a mental illness, you’re casting aspersions on that minority and that’s usually* pretty bad form, to say the least. The other – entirely different – issue is that it’s being mean to your opponent. It was the latter that AHunter3 was whining about in post #11. And that’s bullshit. {Comical French accent}: Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!
- Unless said minority is represented by diagnoses of psychopathology or narcissistic personality disorder. Then it’s OK. Those fuckers deserve it.
It’s like saying, I’m not objecting to you calling a person a bitch because it’s sexist (and insulting of all women) but because it’s too cruel. I think I get what you mean and re-reading it, I’ve changed my mind.
AHunter3 was saying don’t dehumanize Magiver, and you’re saying screw it, dehumanize away. And BPC apologized making the same assumption I had made, but I think both BPC and I assumed wrong.
Isn’t Magiver the same guy who was losing his shit defending Trump over the Notre Dame fire?
Did he say Trump DIDN’T set the Notre Dame fire?
Atamasama has correctly parsed my post.
I have no problem with being mean to one’s opponent in broad general terms. I have a major issue with attempting to discredit anyone’s position by stating or implying that they are neurologically or psychiatrically impaired. You want to say that Magiver is a subhuman knuckle-dragging troglodyte who just comes here to ratfuck the message board on behalf of the orange-furred babboon who has occupied our government, and cast aspersions on his appearance, intelligence, ancestry, and taste, go right ahead. Do not, however, appeal to us, the audience, with exhortations to care about poor Magiver whose untreated mental condition is causing his brain to spew out stuff that he doesn’t really mean or understand, and which we should ignore as symptoms of his mental illness. That latter is fucking creepy. It’s not insulting. It’s literally depersonalizing, and it’s a politically dangerous rhetorical weapon that should be banned from discussion everywhere.
Deliberate mis-framing of the question, and you didn’t read the words you quoted from me. I said “demeaning to the OP” i.e. to BPC himself, not to the target.
eta: on further reading, I see you are also, possibly deliberately, misinterpreting AHunter3. I see he has made that point himself, and I again second his position.
I can still say he’s stupid, though, right?
I mean, stupidity is a neurological impariment.
I don’t even mind if you say Magiver is “fucking batshit insane”.
There’s a fundamental difference between that and “Please excuse my friend joeblow here, pay no attention to him, he can’t help it, there’s something wrong with his brain that makes him say provocative and offensive things and you should neither hold that against him nor take anything he says seriously”.
We do have people who contribute to the SDMB who do have sincere behavioral, social, and/or cognitive impairments that have been open about it. Pretending that you think a poster is one such person to insult them is poor form in more ways than one.
I know wolfpup says to hell with it, someone who’s a true asshole doesn’t deserve it if you hold back, but there are lines I don’t like to cross. I have a brother with mental illness (on top of being a junky but that’s another subject) and I’ve had close friends with cognitive impairments (including a best friend in elementary school who passed away) so I don’t like seeing those kinds of things used as insults. You might as well toss around the n-word.
It’s not so much that as the fact that the OP was really in the nature of counseling. Counseling is really something better done in private.
As such, the text should have been communicated by PM. Since it was made in public instead I have doubts about the sincerity of the inquiry.
I think every single person in this thread needs to relax, breath deeply, take your meds, book another session next week, and just…just…I dunno - stop freakin!
AAAACK!!!
{{{ Don’t worry - it will be ok }}}
::runs, like, really quickly away::
Great username / post combo 
Amen,** Id!** I live at Bethlem Royal Hospital’s suburban Chicago branch and have developed some small familiarity with those cursed with not quite end stage dementia. Take comfort in that Magiver’s behavior has not deteriorated significantly since he joined. He’s not a sick person needing our understanding; he’s just a horse’s ass. Make fun of him to your heart’s content.
I agree with this reasoning, and I’m sympathetic to Atamasama’s personal encounters with mental illness. But my distinct impression from your post #11 was that you were simply accusing BPC of being overly harsh in his attack on Magiver. This seemed to me to be conveyed by phrases like “offensive as all fuck … medicalizing a discussion participant, relegating their opinions and passions and viewpoints and understandings to a bunch of misfiring neurons, is an incredibly dehumanizing way of discrediting what they’re saying … it’s the lowest form of argument ad hominem …”. So if I misinterpreted your meaning, I hope you can see it was not an unreasonable interpretation of your words as written.
Oh, well, BPC can be a bit over the top sometimes, but at least we can all agree that Magiver is an unmitigated asshole whose appalling ignorance and sycophantic ass-kissing of the worst bottom-dwellers in modern political history should disqualify him from ever casting a ballot for anyone or anything.
You do have a way with words 