Make a book or movie more believable (even if it destroys it)

Or it was just an oversight and not in the direction Tolkien wanted to take his narrative.

I’m sure that’s the actual reason. But like I say, when they were doing the movie treatment at least one of the writers expressed that as the reason the characters didn’t go that route.

Manwë.

Reminds me of Niven’s Rotating Cylinders and the Possibility of Global Causality Violation, where it turns out that attempting to build a time machine always creates a backlash from the universe in the form of overwhelming natural disasters. The result is a universe filled with dead cultures and partly built time machines.

You know, it occurs to me that Lucy’s reaction in the book isn’t unreasonable. She doesn’t just get thrown into a completely alien place in LWW. She makes three trips into Narnia. In the first, she only meets one fairy-tale entity, Mr. Tumnus, who is quite friendly and goes out of his way for her (and also feeds her). Moreover she doesn’t meet a creature she has no time or referent for; she meets one she has read about in fairy tales. On the second trip she meets only that friendly faun again, and it’s not until the third trip (when she’s emotionally bonded to Tumnus) that she starts meeting other creatures. Now, if she’d met a Marsh-wiggle first off, then she might have been traumatized–but why would Aslan let that happen? He had stuff for her to do.

The OP asks for movies only, but stage does this all the time. Sarah Bernhardt, for example, played teenager Joan of Arc when she was in her 60s and Richard Harris was playing King Arthur from teen to 30ish when he was in his 60s.

Sampiro, I think you’re in the wrong thread with this post.

I think you might be right. :smack:

I’m always right. Why, you ask? Because, before I begin an argument, I have the foresight to first arm my wave-motion gun and aim it at the city in which my opponent resides.

I can provide researched, well-reasoned and/or stupid and irrational justifications for each element of my bizarre statements upon request. It’s a service I provide.

:smiley:

THE DA VINCI CODE- the curator of the Louvre is murdered and in his dying moments copied out a bunch of seemingly random numbers and names, including that of Harvard “symbologist professor” [sic] Robert Langdon who is brought in for questioning.

Langdon: Am I a suspect?

Inspector: Oh no, not at all. The 400 security cameras in here took thousands of pictures of the guy. Albino in a monk’s robe, can’t be too hard to catch. We just wondered if you could explain the writing.

Langdon: Not really. We were supposed to meet for dinner so maybe he was just saying to call and tell me he couldn’t make it.

Inspector: I’m thinking the guy was a total nutcase.

Langdon: Yep… my guess too.

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Or, final scene:

Langdon: And Sophie Neveau is a descendant of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene… per a convoluted oral legend.

Abbess: Yep. As is her brother.

Langdon: M’hmm. And her cousins.

Abbess: And all of her relatives on her mother’s side. Of whom there are thousands. Ultimately millions.

Langdon: Considering Mary Magdalene and Jesus lived 2000 years ago it’s possible all of Europe and big chunks of other continents are descendants as well.

Abbess: Oui. Then of course consider that if you go back to your great-great-great-great grandfather-

Leigh Teabing: The trivatus as he was called in ancient Roman c OW! [Langdon has just kicked him]

Abbess: Oui, the trivatus… you’ve not even moved back two full centuries in most cases and yet you already have an ancestor who accounts for less than 1% of your DNA…

Teabing: I’ve a power point on my yacht that will OW!

Langdon: Thus, figuring 33 years for a generation, Jesus would be 61 generations ago and thus, even figuring in some inbreeding here and there…

Abbess: Then Jesus would account for an insignificant minute fraction of a percent of even one percent of even one percent of Sophie’s ancestry…

Langdon: Meanwhile Sophie has at minimum hundreds of thousands of other ancestors doing everything from working in Roman salt mines to traipsing caravans through the Sahara to herding yaks in the Himalayas to you name it…

Abbess: Yes indeed. Thus the descendants of the Christ are more common than not and the significance of an oral tradition about an ancestor some believe to have been a demi-god more than 61 generations ago is less than laughable.

Langdon: So why then did Brother Whitey kill Langdon?

Abbess: You haven’t figured it out? Brother Whitey was nuts.

Langdon: As was Sonnier himself…

Abbess: Oui. Who goes into shock and bladder release while bleeding to death from a gunshot wound and thinks to himself…

Langdon: Now would be a good time to strip bare ass naked and do Sudoku in hieroglyphics with my bodily fluids and some invisible ink

Abbess: Oui. Case solved. Irrelevant oral genealogies and a bunch of nuts. Let’s break open some Mouton Rothschild I found in Teabing’s coat pocket and celebrate the case being solved!

There was a brief shot at the start of that scene where they all went through a metal detector and gave up their weapons.

It would be hard to do a better summary of why The Da Vinci Code is so annoying than this.

101 Dalmatians

Cruella de Ville: Can I buy your dalmatian puppies?
Anita: No, they aren’t for sale.
Cruella de Ville: Ok, I’ll go buy some other puppies. Good day.

The End.

Scent of a Woman

Al Pacino: I want to drive that car.
Kid: But you’re blind.
Al Pacino: Listen kid, I may be blind but I’m still Al Pacino. I want to drive that car.
Kid: Ok.
<Al Pacino drives car down block, crashes into large semi-immovable object. Death and dismemberment ensue.>

Memento

Teddy manipulates Leonard into killing Jimmy, celebrates with him and KEEPS HIS FUCKING MOUTH SHUT about how he’s been tricking him, and takes him to get the “I’ve done it” tattoo.

THE BEGINNING

The Shawshank Redemption. After six years of imprisonment, Andy’s little tunnel is discovered when a neighboring prisoner, who has functioning eyes and ears and who sometimes can’t sleep at night, ends up telling the warden about it in exchange for not getting solitary over a yard fight. Andy’s put in the hole for 6 months and emerges as loony as schizophrenic woodpecker. The warden’s taxes suffer as a result.

Virtually any episode of Doctor Who:

Evil Alien: “Kill the Doctor! Kill him NOW!”

Doctor: “Ah, but wait! There’s somethi-”

<ZAP!>

This was kind of my point in my post about the episode from the last series in the relevant thread when they visited the giant library and at one point the Doctor was surrounded by shadows who were about to pwn him and all he said was “Read the books around us, and know I’m the Doctor, and you’ll realise why what you’re doing is a bad idea” or words to that effect. And the shadow creatures slink off.

Now, if I’m point at gun at someone’s head and they’re on the ground defenceless and with no ability to get out of the way, I don’t care how many people they’ve killed in the past, they’re dead now.

I agree with your take on Dante’s problem, but (without popping in my Clerks LD or Clerks DVD or Clerks X DVD or pulling out the script, so this is just memory) Dante does ask in the phone call why they don’t call Randall to open the store instead. So, theoretically, Randall can work the store, even if he usually doesn’t. (I know, it doesn’t make sense considering dialogue later in the movie, but hey.)

Yeah, I’m a bit of a Clerks dork.

25th Hour. Ed Norton’s character says, “I think I’ll have an early night tonight.”, wakes up in the morning, goes to court, and that’s the last we see of the drug-dealing scum.

American Beauty

During the cheerleading scene, Lester’s wife notices that he is completely enraptured with the 17-year-old Angela. They have a fight but soon forget about it. Later on, Lester makes inappropriate advances toward Angela without realizing that his wife, daughter, neighbor, and neighbor’s son are in the same room. Lester is tagged as a sexual predator. The end.