Sounds about right. The rest of you would be shocked by what those of us who’ve dealt with this crap know.
It can go with BigTard’s earlier introductory post about what women should and should concern themselves with.
I know that this is your opinion. Your mistake was to label it as factual. And also to make the non-factual claim that octopus said it was the only solution.
You are not making factual corrections. You made one false statement, and an expression of an opinion without anything to back it up.
First off, no one is spouting anything equivalent to racist garbage.
Second, you go into a bar, and there are three conversations going on. One you actively dislike, and two are uninteresting. Is the only possible solution to shut down the conversation you dislike?
Regards,
Shodan
It never gets old.
Then this thread should have been in Great Debates instead of the forum created for venting and personal attacks.
I don’t know if this will help or not, but I was thinking about the rating women type threads, and I think I can help guys understand better why women don’t see them as harmless fun.
For example, the Ginger versus Mary Ann thread - if it was more accurately named, “Who would you rather stick your penis in, Ginger or Mary Ann?” maybe then guys would see why women find that kind of thing a bit icky.
This is a common third-grade mistake.
“Ice cream is delicious” is an opinion.
“Ice cream is made from cream, sugar, and flavorings” is a fact.
“I like ice cream”: fact, or opinion?
It looks like the first statement, so it could be a matter of opinion. But if you tell me, “No you don’t, you only think you like ice cream,” you’re wrong as hell. It’s a factual statement.
What if you say, “I hate ice cream, and it’s a problem when folks try to serve it to me” and I say, “The solution to that problem is that you should eat my homemade kale-crunch ice cream,” and you say, “Factually, no, that won’t solve the problem?”
You’re right: I don’t get to tell you how to solve a problem, when the problem is about your personal responses. If you tell me that that won’t solve the problem, it’s a fact that it won’t, in the same way that telling me your reaction to certain foods is a fact.
ITD pointed out that the board is not welcoming to some women. That statement is factual. When she further points out that a proposed solution won’t change that, that’s also a factual statement. The only grounds on which someone can dispute her is to claim they know the brains of the folks who feel unwelcomed better than they know their own brains.
Ain’t a matter of opinions at all.
No. The inevitable specific examples basically require this to be in the Pit. It’s perfectly possible to have a real discussion here.
“You’re thinking wrong, little lady. Let me explain it to you.”
Along with trolling and insults. There is no reason why this can’t be in GD. It would also include a far larger percentage of the board.
Yes, there is. The reason I put in the post you fucking quoted, moron.
Your response in that thread was admirable Sunny D.
It’s non-threatening, yet points out the problem.
Ah, and here we have BigT explaining things to me…
Octopus raised valid points about everyone… except himself. Where he did not deny that he was shouting down others. That’s why I think he doesn’t get it - I see no signs of self-reflection there. As usual, it’s everyone else behaving badly and he’s an angel.
Are you going to pat me on the head now and tell me now to worry my pretty little self about it? Do you not realize that you sound condescending?
You don’t get it because you don’t experience it and you don’t see it, so as far as you’re concerned it doesn’t exist. Oh, well…
Yes, it is.
No, it’s not. It’s an opinion. It would only be a fact if she were referring only to her reaction.
It can also be disputed by pointing out that her claim is based on the idea that she knows the brains of all the unwelcomed, plus all those who might join in the future, and all those who don’t feel unwelcomed. So yes, it is an opinion. It might be right or wrong, but it is an opinion.
Regards,
Shodan
Jesus Christ is that guy trying hard to be ‘provocative’ lately. I mean Acey.
Nope. It’s a factual statement. It may be an incorrect factual statement, but the way to show that would be to show actual folks who’ve felt unwelcomed who find this proposal satisfactory. A predictive factual statement is not an opinion.
Edit: I realize this is going into the weeds, so I won’t pursue it any further. If you’d like to study more about the difference between fact and opinion, I can direct you to some pretty good resources from teacherspayteachers.com.
I admit to not reading and recalling every single post in this thread.
So, can someone point me to the posts by women here who assert: 1. this board makes them feel unwelcome; and 2. that it’s due to there not being enough chick-threads to counteract the creepy threads; or 3. responded that idea is a good solution.
I don’t recall that ever occurring, so the idea that it’s been put forth as a reasonable solution is a false one. I do not need perfect knowledge of all the posters, just an accurate restating of those who spoke up in this thread. However, if it was brought up or accepted as a good idea, I’m happy to stand corrected.
ETA: I’m with LHOD on this- it’s a nitpicky distraction that simply doesn’t matter.
Holy shit - you’re attempting a second party insult? There’s no way you can deny living under a bridge now.
I’m taking a wild guess and speculating that Chimera put you on ignore not through cowardice but rather a combination of mental maturity and nausea. If anyone wants an example of how someone can make a forum hostile towards someone else that’s it right there.
Maybe part of the solution is calling out people who are being dicks regardless of whether the dickishness involves gender, race, religion, or whatever.
Ahhh…troglodytes like you who can’t make a clear and civil argument need the safety of The Pit. Got it. And your original argument is incorrect. You can quote objectionable posts in GD without insulting the poster.
One would think so but look what’s in the last gender poll thread:
Which prompted this thread.