He should say “take a hike, bucko”. Sanders has no business dictating to the nominee of the party he is only part of for 1 year out of 4.
Exactly. If Sanders gave a shit about the Democratic Party as something other than a convenient vehicle for his own ambitions, maybe there’d be a case for him having a say in the veep nominee.
Yes he does hurt Biden, because Bernie and his Bros will keep attacking Biden, thus increasing trumps chances.
Sanders has no allies in Congress old enough or experienced enough to be VP. Four years ago the rumours were his VP pick if he got the nomination would have been Tulsi Gabbard. This time around he explicitly said his VP would have to be a mirror of himself in the agenda laid out rather than filling the void he has (foreign policy, legislative skill) or the old-fashioned balancing of the ticket.
So iiandyiiii, still think you’re “not pushing for anything that I think would turn off Biden supporters,”?
Too Late!
Too Late!
In my opinion, they should have a long discussion and bring in their advisors and allies.
I think Bernie dropping out prematurely will make this worse, not better. The best thing for Biden is if Bernie refrains from the hard negative attacks (as he has, even if some of the supporters not under his control have not) and gradually brings his supporters down to reality as much as possible. It may take longer than overnight. Luckily, we have many months until the convention.
I thought we were speaking of the compromise on VP. I believe there are multiple potential VP candidates out there that could meet this criteria.
Obviously, many Biden supporters will be upset that Bernie chose to oppose Biden and run for President. IMO the best chance for victory is for Bernie to drop out under his own terms, refrain from hard negative attacks prior to that (as he has), and for them to come together and compromise on VP and some other things that might increase the chances of appealing to Bernie supporters while not turning off Biden supporters (and I think there are lots of policies that qualify as well).
We are talking about that. Did you not see two posters quoted saying that letting Sanders help pick the VP was bullshit??
Too Late!
They appear to have a problem with the process. I believe that there’s a good outcome that could appeal to both candidates’ supporters. I believe that blowing off Sanders entirely would do more harm than good.
This is a strategy disagreement. It’s not the end of the world. It’s reasonable for some people to disagree on the best strategy to win. It’s okay to disagree. We’ll see what happens – this discussion certainly doesn’t affect the actual outcome.
Sanders spent millions of $$ on TV ads lying about Biden and SocSec. That cant be blamed on overzealous Berniebros, that came direct from Bernie
Remember, negative campaigning doesnt make people vote for you- **it makes people not vote for the other guy.
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The only thing sanders campaign is doing is helping trump.
I disagree that these ads were lies. Biden is on record for having considered compromises that would have cut Social Security. I don’t believe Biden wanted to cut them, but he did consider compromises that would have resulted in cuts. It’s reasonable to point that out.
I disagree. It’s okay that sometimes Democrats will disagree on strategy.
You have basically called for negotiations between Biden and Sanders to select the VP. That is, ok, a “process” problem but it is not a strategy disagreement. It is disagreeing on whether Sanders gets to dictate strategy.
And you keep implying a false dichotomy. Biden is already not blowing off Sanders supporters. You are arguing that Biden must have long discussions with advisors and allies of Sanders before deciding. That’s a big ask.
Yes, it’s a big ask. I think that this would maximize the chance of victory. I understand that some may disagree.
He never “considered” them. He called the Republicans bluff on reducing the debt by suggesting a across the board cut on everything, knowing full well the GOP wouldn’t accept. He has always supported SocSec and does so now in his public platform.
It’s called “politics” and that’s why Biden will be a great President. He knows when to call the GOP bullshit.
And Politifact ruled them as "Mostly False’- i.e mostly lies.
You have no basis for thinking that. I haven’t seen a single person say they’ll vote for Biden only if he picks a Sanders appoved VP. Not even you. You’re already voting for him.
Actually, I’ve spoken to many Bernie supporters, online and in person. Some of them have said that they’re waiting to see Biden’s VP pick before deciding whether they’d vote for him in the general election. So I do indeed have basis for thinking this. I don’t expect my own personal experience is enough to convince others, but this is a big part of why I believe it.
And how many of these “many” have voted regularly Dem in the past?